FSU Leaving the ACC?

Really? Read your initial post to me where you called me arrogant and accused me of not being a lawyer. You thought we would have a civil discussion after that? GTFOH.

I didn't say you were NOT a lawyer, I just said I have never seen a lawyer 100% guarantee something on a Contract they have never even read.

Also, your posts are pretty arrogant. You called FSU's administration idiots and talk you are are more intelligent than their staff so I would say that is pretty damn arrogant. You don't have the facts on this case. I don't either. There maybe stuff we don't know.

@WhosYourDawggy I may have been harsh so I will apologize.
 
I didn't say you were NOT a lawyer, I just said I have never seen a lawyer 100% guarantee something on a Contract they have never even read.

Also, your posts are pretty arrogant. You called FSU's administration idiots and talk you are are more intelligent than their staff so I would say that is pretty damn arrogant. You don't have the facts on this case. I don't either. There maybe stuff we don't know.

@WhosYourDawggy I may have been harsh so I will apologize.
First, "I don't agree with your arrogance, certainty, etc. on the topic and it makes me think you are not a lawyer."

Second, I have my beliefs based on following college football for 55+ years. As you've seen I read a ton every day, listen to podcasts, etc. I have pretty good connections through some very wealthy alumni at UNC, Vandy, and UGA (but no official "insiders"). Hell, one of my employees is a coach for Alabama now (but I never say anything he tells me). So, yeah, I write confidently, with a lot of facts thrown in. Call it arrogance, call it supporting my position. I am also one here that will acknowledge when I have it wrong.

FSU's admins are idiots. I think on the issue of the GOR, I am more right than they are speaking publicly, because I think they know they can't get out of the GOR which is why they are throwing a public tantrum.

You don't need to apologize. I don't care. We are on a sports board arguing. You aren't a troll like some here, so I read all you type. We agree, we disagree. It doesn't affect my day.
 
First, "I don't agree with your arrogance, certainty, etc. on the topic and it makes me think you are not a lawyer."

Second, I have my beliefs based on following college football for 55+ years. As you've seen I read a ton every day, listen to podcasts, etc. I have pretty good connections through some very wealthy alumni at UNC, Vandy, and UGA (but no official "insiders"). Hell, one of my employees is a coach for Alabama now (but I never say anything he tells me). So, yeah, I write confidently, with a lot of facts thrown in. Call it arrogance, call it supporting my position. I am also one here that will acknowledge when I have it wrong.

FSU's admins are idiots. I think on the issue of the GOR, I am more right than they are speaking publicly, because I think they know they can't get out of the GOR which is why they are throwing a public tantrum.

You don't need to apologize. I don't care. We are on a sports board arguing. You aren't a troll like some here, so I read all you type. We agree, we disagree. It doesn't affect my day.

I can totally agree on the end.

I probably shouldn't have even brought it up as we are on the same page in theory on it all, I just haven't 100% bought into the FSU is stuck, I am more like 95-99% bought in.
 
First, "I don't agree with your arrogance, certainty, etc. on the topic and it makes me think you are not a lawyer."

Second, I have my beliefs based on following college football for 55+ years. As you've seen I read a ton every day, listen to podcasts, etc. I have pretty good connections through some very wealthy alumni at UNC, Vandy, and UGA (but no official "insiders"). Hell, one of my employees is a coach for Alabama now (but I never say anything he tells me). So, yeah, I write confidently, with a lot of facts thrown in. Call it arrogance, call it supporting my position. I am also one here that will acknowledge when I have it wrong.

FSU's admins are idiots. I think on the issue of the GOR, I am more right than they are speaking publicly, because I think they know they can't get out of the GOR which is why they are throwing a public tantrum.

You don't need to apologize. I don't care. We are on a sports board arguing. You aren't a troll like some here, so I read all you type. We agree, we disagree. It doesn't affect my day.
I don’t think the FSU admins actually think something can happen but are positioning for the future.

They have Clemson ready to leave they just UNC to start wanting more money then the ball starts rolling. Those three schools could turn into 8 real fast and the ACC is done.

I put it at 50/50 by year 5.
 
I don’t think the FSU admins actually think something can happen but are positioning for the future.

They have Clemson ready to leave they just UNC to start wanting more money then the ball starts rolling. Those three schools could turn into 8 real fast and the ACC is done.

I put it at 50/50 by year 5.
1. Name the 8, and tell me which conference would take them. That's the problem ... 8 may want to leave, but there aren't conference spots for them.

2. ND isn't ACC for football, but we know anyone would take ND. FSU and Clemson likely earn a full share in the SEC. That's it.

3. Miami, UNC, Duke, UVA, VaTech, nor Louisville could earn a full SEC share.
 
1. Name the 8, and tell me which conference would take them. That's the problem ... 8 may want to leave, but there aren't conference spots for them.

2. ND isn't ACC for football, but we know anyone would take ND. FSU and Clemson likely earn a full share in the SEC. That's it.

3. Miami, UNC, Duke, UVA, VaTech, nor Louisville could earn a full SEC share.
yeah outside UNC/FSU/Clemson.. the other defectors have to hope the ACC or SEC throws them a bone.. if not they will be taking another huge paycut in the Big12 or if they stick together and poach schools from the AAC..

Either way, there's no incentives for schools like BC, Syracuse, NC st, WF, etc
 
yeah outside UNC/FSU/Clemson.. the other defectors have to hope the ACC or SEC throws them a bone.. if not they will be taking another huge paycut in the Big12 or if they stick together and poach schools from the AAC..

Either way, there's no incentives for schools like BC, Syracuse, NC st, WF, etc
SEC is not in the bone throwing business for new schools. Carry your weight if you want in. UNC is questionable if you ask me.
 
1. Name the 8, and tell me which conference would take them. That's the problem ... 8 may want to leave, but there aren't conference spots for them.

2. ND isn't ACC for football, but we know anyone would take ND. FSU and Clemson likely earn a full share in the SEC. That's it.

3. Miami, UNC, Duke, UVA, VaTech, nor Louisville could earn a full SEC share.
The 3 teams SEC would want are FSU, Clemson and UNC. We disagree on the UNC issue but I would bet the farm the SEC absolutely say yes if they came knocking. The 4th I think they take to balance it and be done could be UVA or VT as I don’t think Miami gets in over objections by UF.

The rest of the league there are a few I do think the B1G would show considerable interest in due to AAU affiliation. Duke, GT and UVA will be massively attractive to the B1G presidents and their research dollars. Boston College is in that league also. The big prize is ND that has to join a league at that point so really it’s ND and 3 other schools.

Both the SEC and B1G have the pull to push those expansions through to the networks if they chose to do it.

I don’t know how many schools have to leave to break the GOR but if it is 7 (forgot about ND) then it’s doable.

If it doesn’t happen before the GOR runs out it will happen when it is over.
 
Interesting take by The Athletic as it pertains to the SEC expanding:

I know everyone likes to dream up scenarios where the SEC and Big Ten keep swooping up teams for the next 10-15 years, but those leagues make so much money per school now that there are only three to six programs left that would actually be additive: Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, perhaps Miami if it ever figures out football again, and, debatably, Oregon and Washington. If the Big Ten does eventually add those two, it will be more to give USC/UCLA partners than to increase a TV deal.

This is what I've been saying, other than Miami. The money per school has simply gotten to the point where it makes no sense to continue to expand. Especially with the GOR.

They went on to point this out:

All of which is why Bruce, Max Olson and I spent part of “The Audible” this week discussing a more radical consolidation idea former ESPN president John Skipper proposed: Merging the ACC and Pac-12 — preferably in football only. They still wouldn’t be the SEC or Big Ten in terms of TV revenue ($60-plus million), but the schools would make more than they do now (around $30 million), for several reasons: 1) The ACC would be able to blow up its outdated ESPN deal, 2) The ACC Network would add a whole lot of in-market subscriber fees in cities like San Francisco and Phoenix, and 3) You’d create more high-end matchups the networks would pay for, like Oregon-Clemson or Washington-Miami.

It’s drastic, but it’s the only form of “consolidation” that really makes sense for either league if the goal is to add value, not bodies.


I kind of like this, even if I think it is unlikely:

- It's for football only ... kind of like that ... the travel for that is more manageable. All other sports would stay regional.

- The ACC/PAC would get them money between where the PAC/ACC/B12 are now and the B1G/SEC are.

- Most importantly, they would get to blow up the contract with ESPN. Oregon, Washington, FSU, and Clemson might be able to negotiate a bigger share, or better they put some sort of incentive system in place that might incent other schools - VaTech, UNC, Miami, Utah, etc. to get better, spend more, so as to get more money.

- The GOR might be able to be reduced from 2036 to something more reasonable.

Off the cuff, from a scheduling perspective, you could do something where you play 6 games against those in your region, 3 outside the region. That would help with travel (but see below).

Finally, before people bring up travel distances, consider this:

- Tuscon to Pullman - 1,333 miles
- Miami to Syracuse - 1,415 miles
- Tuscon to Atlanta - 1,737

The travel horses have already left the barn for both conferences. They are flying charter, so going coast to coast isn't a big deal ... they already travel great distances in both conferences.
 
I would agree with this with a private university but would this truly apply with a public one? I mean, can I get a lien on the Tennessee State Capitol if the Tennessee State Government fails to pay me for a lawsuit that I win against them?

Could Sovereign Immunity apply?

Sorry, anarchist side of me I guess but I think if you had the State Executive and Legislative Branch behind you, a public university could get out of the GOR. There would be no way for the judiciary to get the executive branch (i.e. police, state secretary of state, etc. to enforce the ruling).

I think these GORs are kind of flimsy at best for a variety of reasons and would love to see them legally challenged. For example, if I was a judge on the case, I would argue that the signers of the contract for Florida State on the TV deal would not have anticipated events like NIL and cite to the fact that they are now at a major competitive disadvantage that was unforeseeable in the original contract. The deal is therefore not fair. Either the television party needs to pay them something equitable or the contract would be null in void. Kind of a theory of Promissory Estoppel.

Great debate though. I know I am arguing against you but thanks for the response.

Dude. TX/OU paid more than a year to get outta that Big 12 GOR. We know they weren't leaving this season (2023). They were completely out in July 2025 regardless, yet paid $50 million for the 2024 season. Should have been $42 million for just the one season.

The one game moved (Michigan at home) was LOL crumbs.

How many times were we told on here that FOX controlled all things Big 12 GOR? That they wanted TX/OU to play Big 12 games for years to come? LMAO!!

TX/OU were told "GTFO. Give us $8 million more than we'd get from you for the 2024 season".
 
Dude. TX/OU paid more than a year to get outta that Big 12 GOR. We know they weren't leaving this season (2023). They were completely out in July 2025 regardless, yet paid $50 million for the 2024 season. Should have been $42 million for just the one season.

The one game moved (Michigan at home) was LOL crumbs.

How many times were we told on here that FOX controlled all things Big 12 GOR? That they wanted TX/OU to play Big 12 games for years to come? LMAO!!

TX/OU were told "GTFO. Give us $8 million more than we'd get from you for the 2024 season".
lol.. you serious? the exit fee and media rights were two different things.. FOX wanted more games in the future against current big12 schools..UT said no.. UT didn't budge and it was the Big12 conference themselves who said screw it, we'll pay you $20 mil of our settlement to make this happen, FOX.. and the last request they had was to switch the UM game from Austin to Ann Arbor.
 
lol.. you serious? the exit fee and media rights were two different things.. FOX wanted more games in the future against current big12 schools..UT said no.. UT didn't budge and it was the Big12 conference themselves who said screw it, we'll pay you $20 mil of our settlement to make this happen, FOX.. and the last request they had was to switch the UM game from Austin to Ann Arbor.

You're only getting out a year early, yet paid more than a year to do it. LOL
 
You're only getting out a year early, yet paid more than a year to do it. LOL
well worth it too... it's actually less but hey you know more about the money than I do
 
BTW, to put this situation in context, FSU currently stands to make less TV money then Central Florida. Let that sink in...

I still think the best fix for the ACC right now is to add teams. West Virginia is a team that would say "yes" and may move needle enough to at least open the contract up for discussion again. Notre Dame is a dream pickup and ACC really needs to do everything to get them in, even rename the whole league to the Notre Dame is the BEST Conference.
I highly doubt WVU is saying yes to the ACC these days. It’s looking More and more like the ACC is a sinking ship when this GoR ends. WVU wouldn’t join that. The best hope is that a few come on to the B12 and give us a few closer teams to play.
 
The 3 teams SEC would want are FSU, Clemson and UNC. We disagree on the UNC issue but I would bet the farm the SEC absolutely say yes if they came knocking. The 4th I think they take to balance it and be done could be UVA or VT as I don’t think Miami gets in over objections by UF.

The rest of the league there are a few I do think the B1G would show considerable interest in due to AAU affiliation. Duke, GT and UVA will be massively attractive to the B1G presidents and their research dollars. Boston College is in that league also. The big prize is ND that has to join a league at that point so really it’s ND and 3 other schools.

Both the SEC and B1G have the pull to push those expansions through to the networks if they chose to do it.

I don’t know how many schools have to leave to break the GOR but if it is 7 (forgot about ND) then it’s doable.

If it doesn’t happen before the GOR runs out it will happen when it is over.
Why would ESPN pay more for those ACC teams to come to the SEC when they are getting them on the cheap in the ACC? I truly think espn would/has told the SEC to hold off until 2036. And as we all stated/think that’s be the only way to break this GoR (8 teams bail).
 
I highly doubt WVU is saying yes to the ACC these days. It’s looking More and more like the ACC is a sinking ship when this GoR ends. WVU wouldn’t join that. The best hope is that a few come on to the B12 and give us a few closer teams to play.
ehhh ACC is going to make more money than the Big12 as soon as the Big12 new contract begins in '25

ACC isn't going to add WV anyways
 
ehhh ACC is going to make more money than the Big12 as soon as the Big12 new contract begins in '25

ACC isn't going to add WV anyways
Ehhh ACC won’t be around past 2036 in it’s current state.

Adding anyone likely voids the current GoR and a new one would need to be signed which wouldn’t happen for a few teams.

Also WVU isn’t going to latch on to a sinking ship regardless of if you think they get an invite or not.
 
Ehhh ACC won’t be around past 2036 in it’s current state.

Adding anyone likely voids the current GoR and a new one would need to be signed which wouldn’t happen for a few teams.

Also WVU isn’t going to latch on to a sinking ship regardless of if you think they get an invite or not.
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