Man CBS Screwed Up Big Time

Thiefery said:
Bro they didn't screw up man.. they were never going to get a deal like they did with tier1 rights. They established themselves as the go to channel for 3:30pm games.. they even own a well known jingle as a theme for their games. They knew they had a lotto ticket and exploited it ($55 mil/yr).

Now they'll be paying market at $350 mil/yr for the BiG.. They could have offered it to the SEC but they knew the SEC was done with them after exploiting them with a bad deal for like 20 years.

If CBS tanks then yes it would have been the biggest mistake, but let's face it.. it won't tank..they may not get the same ratings but it won't be terrible either, especially with picking the top game of the BiG
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You need to re-read my post and at least try to comprehend.

CBS has a shot to relook the deal when aTm and Missouri joined for Pennie’s of what they will be paying now and that is how they screwed up.

That deal was definitely on the table.
 
Red_Alert said:
If going by Top 5 most watched games week-to-week, ESPN was dwarfed by the combined broadcast networks ABC, FOX, CBS, NBC.

Sure the SEC will own the ABC ratings, but tying themselves to ESPN for all others isn't going to be all that impressive.

The Big 10 will have games on 3 different broadcast networks (FOX, CBS, NBC).

Broadcast networks get better ratings because they're $$ FREE $$.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

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College football TV ratings for the 2024 regular season, bowls, College Football Playoff and National Championship.
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I don’t see either league’s ratings changing substantially with the exception on bumps for new entries.

The SEC has dominated the ratings with multiple teams and only had one network game. That number will only go higher.

The B1G will follow the same trends I mentioned above. The new deals won’t be a separator.
 
I do think they overpaid, relative to the ratings they will get. CBS won't get the same ratings they got for the 3:30 SEC game, because now that game is direct competition. Also, add into it, they won't be getting the best B1G game, and going up against the #1 SEC game, CBS is due for a pretty sizeable dip at that time slot. My guess is they'll probably get about 3 million viewers as an avg. This year the 3:30 a lot avg a little over 6.5 million viewers. They simply aren't going to get that number.
 
ericd7633 said:
I do think they overpaid, relative to the ratings they will get. CBS won't get the same ratings they got for the 3:30 SEC game, because now that game is direct competition. Also, add into it, they won't be getting the best B1G game, and going up against the #1 SEC game, CBS is due for a pretty sizeable dip at that time slot. My guess is they'll probably get about 3 million viewers as an avg. This year the 3:30 a lot avg a little over 6.5 million viewers. They simply aren't going to get that number.
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I think this is the correct take. The B1G no. 2 v. the SEC no. 1 will go to ESPN unless tOSU or UM is playing. A lot depends on how much CBS paid for the rights. Especially when you have OU and UT coming into the SEC, and the 9 game IC schedule which triples the number of really good SEC games. They will have the pick of the litter each week, that's for sure.
 
Thiefery said:
BTW CBS didn't screw up.. it was the SEC.. they short
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Thiefery said:
changed themselves with the CBS deal.. they tried to re-do it after expansion of aggy and Mizzu but CBS didn't want to pay more just to be nice lol

SEC got great exposure at the cost of millions (market price), CBS had a terrific run since the SEC became the premier CFB conference and had a must see game every week that they got dibs on.

Now it's going to be interesting to see how well they do when they go head to head with the SEC at that same time slot on ABC
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This is where modern USA logic fails...

Sure CBS got a temporary financial advantage for not working with SEC but long-term it screwed them.

Proverbs talks about Reputation being greater than Gold, a lot of people in modern USA don't realize that and it is no wonder our economy and society is a crap show today.

Not trying to direct this at you @Thiefery just pointing out that CBS using a contract for their advantage and messing up a long-term relationship was not really that smart of a move because now they don't have SEC games and apparently not the higher tier B1G games.

They still got high-tier MCBB games, the NFL, and the Masters so they should be fine.

NFL is absurdly ahead of every sport in ratings, it isn't even close.
 
Red_Alert said:
Looking at a US population density map answers that.

Big 10 country gonna watch Big 10 games.
SEC country gonna watch SEC games.

Population Big 10 country = 108 million
Population SEC country = 105 million

Some of those SEC teams will also be sharing airtime with ACC teams (Clemson, Miami, FSU, Louisville, Georgia Tech) and Big 12 teams (Okie Jr, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Houston, UCF).

The Big 10 will share airtime with Big 12 (Cincy and Iowa St.) and ACC (Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Notre Dame).
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Both are pretty comparable but there are two factors that slightly favor the SEC:

1. SEC has more fanbase balance - B1G feels like Michigan vs. Ohio State is the only thing that matters most years. You do have secondary programs like Iowa, Penn State, or Wisconsin with big draws but none of them have been able to dethrone the Big2 yet. Perhaps adding USC and UCLA will help but right now there are only two major programs that feel like playoff contenders and get most of the attention/viewership. SEC has more staying power once you get past the top with teams like Auburn, Florida, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, etc. making noise once you get past Alabama/Georgia combo. Add in Oklahoma and Texas and that is even a bigger deal. B1G has some major dead weights like Illinios, Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, etc. that don't add much. SEC only has one true dead weight, Vanderbilt.

2. SEC has been more relevant in modern CFB - Look at playoff records and National Titles. There is this general perception that the SEC is just a better league right now so fans tend to be more drawn to watch the best.

Overall, both leagues will be fine though.
 
Volbound1700 said:
NFL is absurdly ahead of every sport in ratings, it isn't even close.
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IIRC (which is questionable at my age) I saw a stat that was mind blowing to me. Something like of the 100 most watched programs one year, 93 of them were NFL games. They were talking ALL programming, not just sports. If that’s the case, One can’t blame networks to hitching up to that star.

I guess I’m in the minority because I much prefer college sports to professional sports…even if the former is looking more and more like the latter.
 
Wild Turkey said:
NBC is the clear winner here as they now have Notre Dame which is a ratings generator to lead into the premier B1G game of the day and get to build a network promotion system around all those eyeballs.
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Word is ND is looking for $75M. With the B1G deal in place I wonder if they have the cash for it. The ND production has been sliding for years so they don’t like investing in it.
 
jjc2009 said:
Word is ND is looking for $75M. With the B1G deal in place I wonder if they have the cash for it. The ND production has been sliding for years so they don’t like investing in it.
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I thought they got like 60M and with the ACC cut they are around 90M a year.
 
Thiefery said:
BTW CBS didn't screw up.. it was the SEC.. they short changed themselves with the CBS deal.. they tried to re-do it after expansion of aggy and Mizzu but CBS didn't want to pay more just to be nice lol

SEC got great exposure at the cost of millions (market price), CBS had a terrific run since the SEC became the premier CFB conference and had a must see game every week that they got dibs on.

Now it's going to be interesting to see how well they do when they go head to head with the SEC at that same time slot on ABC
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The last deal is always the best deal, so SEC not extending with CBS before the other conferences was the right move.
 
Deep Creek said:
IIRC (which is questionable at my age) I saw a stat that was mind blowing to me. Something like of the 100 most watched programs one year, 93 of them were NFL games. They were talking ALL programming, not just sports. If that’s the case, One can’t blame networks to hitching up to that star.

I guess I’m in the minority because I much prefer college sports to professional sports…even if the former is looking more and more like the latter.
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Yeah, I saw the same thing. CFB is #2 on sports (although certain events like Olympics, Masters, MCBB March Madness, World Series, etc. can get some love, NFL seems to dominate).
 
Wild Turkey said:
I thought they got like 60M and with the ACC cut they are around 90M a year.
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I don’t know what the total package is worth. If they scheduled more B1G teams that could go a long way to getting what they want.
 
Red_Alert said:
Looking at a US population density map answers that.

Big 10 country gonna watch Big 10 games.
SEC country gonna watch SEC games.

Population Big 10 country = 108 million
Population SEC country = 105 million

Some of those SEC teams will also be sharing airtime with ACC teams (Clemson, Miami, FSU, Louisville, Georgia Tech) and Big 12 teams (Okie Jr, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Houston, UCF).

The Big 10 will share airtime with Big 12 (Cincy and Iowa St.) and ACC (Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Notre Dame).
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Volbound1700 said:
Both are pretty comparable but there are two factors that slightly favor the SEC:

1. SEC has more fanbase balance - B1G feels like Michigan vs. Ohio State is the only thing that matters most years. You do have secondary programs like Iowa, Penn State, or Wisconsin with big draws but none of them have been able to dethrone the Big2 yet. Perhaps adding USC and UCLA will help but right now there are only two major programs that feel like playoff contenders and get most of the attention/viewership. SEC has more staying power once you get past the top with teams like Auburn, Florida, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, etc. making noise once you get past Alabama/Georgia combo. Add in Oklahoma and Texas and that is even a bigger deal. B1G has some major dead weights like Illinios, Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, etc. that don't add much. SEC only has one true dead weight, Vanderbilt.

2. SEC has been more relevant in modern CFB - Look at playoff records and National Titles. There is this general perception that the SEC is just a better league right now so fans tend to be more drawn to watch the best.

Overall, both leagues will be fine though.
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Dude. I didn't even add the 40 million California population into the Big 10 numbers. I did add the TX/OU populations into the SEC numbers. So it's more like 148 million to 105 million.

I'd have expected you to come in with a bunch of "but SEC SEC SEC" nut-swinging anyway.

Big 10 country are gonna watch majority Big 10 games. SEC country are gonna watch majority SEC games. The world only revolves around the SEC in your head.
 
Red_Alert said:
UCLA made the Top 10 in viewership 5 weeks during the regular season.

Oregon made the Top 10 in 7 weeks and one of those was vs Georgia.
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and were those 5 vs Utah, Oregon, USC which were all high ranked teams. then Cal and Stanford due to their long standings rivalries.
so when they go to the Big 10 they wont have those 2.
most likely get good rankings because of who they will play not because of who they are.
so obviously when they play USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State beyond that maybe occasionally with teams like Wisc and Iowa. but unlikely on a regular basis.
 
Red_Alert said:
Dude. I didn't even add the 40 million California population into the Big 10 numbers. I did add the TX/OU populations into the SEC numbers. So it's more like 148 million to 105 million.

I'd have expected you to come in with a bunch of "but SEC SEC SEC" nut-swinging anyway.

Big 10 country are gonna watch majority Big 10 games. SEC country are gonna watch majority SEC games. The world only revolves around the SEC in your head.
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How much of that 40 million in California actually watches College Football?
 
OlyDuck said:
and were those 5 vs Utah, Oregon, USC which were all high ranked teams. then Cal and Stanford due to their long standings rivalries.
so when they go to the Big 10 they wont have those 2.
most likely get good rankings because of who they will play not because of who they are.
so obviously when they play USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State beyond that maybe occasionally with teams like Wisc and Iowa. but unlikely on a regular basis.
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Rationalize it any way you want to. The fact is that UCLA got the Big 10 invite and Oregon did not.
 
Red_Alert said:
Rationalize it any way you want to. The fact is that UCLA got the Big 10 invite and Oregon did not.
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Oregon may still get an invite eventually :).

To be fair, it was all about geography... UCLA was in the same city as USC so it made sense to bring rivalry over.
 
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