Texas NIL Bill

WhosYourDawggy said:
To the contrary, the NCAA is doubling down on this and I think they win. No way they can let states start going against all their rules.

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lol they aren't winning this.. they can't do anything but appeal to the federal courts.. and all that will do is eliminate them in the long run because conferences themselves will govern it's schools at that point.

Honestly, I didn't really see all this coming this quickly.. Schools like UT, Michigan, tosu, SC are going to thrive in this new age of NIL since it's out there in the public (well outside of SC cause it's a private school and all).. despite Sabans pleads, I think Bama is also set up to succeed in this world too

But all the complaining from other schools, especially ones that have been notorious on paying players/families on the low, is surprising me.. especially LSU.. who literally went out and bought themselves a CBB championship team through the portal and NIL (AND I'M NOT UPSET AT THAT).. but now they are running around and making podcasts and write ups on their boards how Texas all of the sudden is playing dirty by "throwing money" at their 5 star in state players who are trending to go outside the state.

Quit complaining, tell your AD and president to talk to the Conference commissioner and to work it out.. Asking the NCAA to fix this is a joke at this point and will continue to be a joke in the future
 
Wild Turkey said:
www.aseaofblue.com

Newly-signed Texas NIL bill could set standard moving forward

The bill was signed by Gov. Greg Abbott and will be enforced starting July 1.
www.aseaofblue.com www.aseaofblue.com

I was surprised this wasn't a topic yet and figured someone would start it. The gest is in the article but other things outside the article are being reported on the radio.

Basically, the Texas schools want to give incentives like points to people who contribute to the NIL collectives and the new Texas bill allows that but the NCAA doesn't. There is also some back and forth about the collectives paying the athletes and the NCAA saying that is not allowed.

Right now the schools are posturing to say they will follow state law and do not have to follow NCAA direction.

We are getting close to a nuclear situation with NIL and the NCAA it appears.
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I told you years ago there will be no NCAA soon
 
Thiefery said:
lol they aren't winning this.. they can't do anything but appeal to the federal courts.. and all that will do is eliminate them in the long run because conferences themselves will govern it's schools at that point.

Honestly, I didn't really see all this coming this quickly.. Schools like UT, Michigan, tosu, SC are going to thrive in this new age of NIL since it's out there in the public (well outside of SC cause it's a private school and all).. despite Sabans pleads, I think Bama is also set up to succeed in this world too

But all the complaining from other schools, especially ones that have been notorious on paying players/families on the low, is surprising me.. especially LSU.. who literally went out and bought themselves a CBB championship team through the portal and NIL (AND I'M NOT UPSET AT THAT).. but now they are running around and making podcasts and write ups on their boards how Texas all of the sudden is playing dirty by "throwing money" at their 5 star in state players who are trending to go outside the state.

Quit complaining, tell your AD and president to talk to the Conference commissioner and to work it out.. Asking the NCAA to fix this is a joke at this point and will continue to be a joke in the future
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I think you are missing the point of what the NCAA is saying.

There is no way the NCAA - which is a volunteer member organization - can simply let schools do what they want, even if schools try to accomplish it through proxies in the state legislature. At some point, the NCAA which is actually the schools themselves, has to say enough, or sports are no longer manageable. They have to take the position that if you are going to start doing all these things that are against our rules, actually your rules that you help set, then we will do what you have charged us to do - penalize you.

You say that the conferences will govern this. What happens when a state - we will go with Texas for now - says they are going to write laws that are contrary to the SEC's rules? How is that any different from the NCAA? If you believe that states can write laws that trump NCAA rules, then the same would apply to conference rules.

The fact is that the state can’t, for the most part, regulate what rules a private entity promulgates. I get that a state can pass laws regulating the behavior of its universities. So, if they say that the universities in Texas can do certain things with NIL, the university may have to comply with the laws. The state of Texas has the right to do that. But, that doesn't mean the NCAA has to live with the new "rules" the legislature of one state has decided to pass. The state of Texas, for example, has no authority over the NCAA which is based in Indiana. It can't make all the other 350 universities that are voluntary members of the NCAA re-write their rules or live by rules that some idiot legislator in Texas decided to pass. The NCAA can do what it wants, for the most part, and if the schools don’t comply they can exclude them from the organization.

Here is a good example to take the NIL context out of this as it tends to confuse things: the NCAA says you can only give out 85 scholarships, can only have 10 on-field coaches, and can only pay for 56 official visits (OVs) per year. If the Texas state legislature passed a law that said Texas schools have to give 125 scholarships, they can or must have 20 coaches on-field, and can have 100 OVs in a year, the legislature is well within its rights to do that. I mean if they can pass laws as to how their schools manage NIL, then they certainly can pass laws as to other aspects of college sports administration. Texas schools would then have to comply with those laws. But, you can see what a terrible idea this is, and how the NCAA wouldn't have to allow that, right? That's what you may be missing in the NCAA's new guidance memo - the NCAA is well within its rights to conclude that UT and TAMU are violating the NCAA rules, and that they can no longer compete in the NCAA. Texas schools would be out, and presumably, the Texas legislature would have to revoke that law. This may not seem fair to Texas schools, but the NCAA is simply saying, hey, sorry, not our fault. Talk to your legislature.

If this was not the case, no national organization could ever run any type of organization if states could force the org’s members to do certain things that run afoul of the org’s rules.

You might say, hey, wait a minute, about 30 states passed NIL laws and the NCAA didn't fight back on that. You are correct. I argued here that they could. I argued that when it was just Cali passing the NIL laws. I said the NCAA could tell the Cali schools they are out if they pay their players. Two things happened - (1) even though it didn't deal with NIL, Alston was decided and the NCAA got scared that if they didn't let their athletes get NIL, they would be found in the future to have violated the anti-trust laws. And, (2) instead of just Cali, 30 other states passed laws and there was no way that the NCAA could fight in all 30 states, or eliminate teams from 30 states. It's clear from what was released today that they are drawing a line in the sand and saying we are allowing players to get paid (NIL), but we will manage how that is done in order to protect the competitive nature of our sport. If you don't like it, then you don't get to be in the NCAA.

Who knows how this will end. If it were to go to court, the schools would lose and the NCAA would win. The NCAA clearly has the right to manage their organization the way they and their members want to. There is no way that the NCAA could be held to a patchwork of state laws, each moron legislature trying to give a competitive edge to their schools. Assuming that NIL gets around the anti-trust issues (I am not convinced it does) the NCAA deciding how NIL works so as to maintain balanced competition would not run afoul of anti-trust law ... the players are getting paid, it's just the NCAA gets to reasonably manage how it is done.

This is not me defending the NCAA, or feeling butthurt - my Dawgs are doing NIL differently (same as Bama, tOSU and a few other schools) but be sure they are all in on NIL and our players are getting plenty of it once they get to UGA and start playing. To me, this is just a fundamental misunderstanding by lots of people who think the states can do this type of thing and the NCAA has to bend over and take it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I think you are missing the point of what the NCAA is saying.

There is no way the NCAA - which is a volunteer member organization - can simply let schools do what they want, even if schools try to accomplish it through proxies in the state legislature. At some point, the NCAA which is actually the schools themselves, has to say enough, or sports are no longer manageable. They have to take the position that if you are going to start doing all these things that are against our rules, actually your rules that you help set, then we will do what you have charged us to do - penalize you.

You say that the conferences will govern this. What happens when a state - we will go with Texas for now - says they are going to write laws that are contrary to the SEC's rules? How is that any different from the NCAA? If you believe that states can write laws that trump NCAA rules, then the same would apply to conference rules.

The fact is that the state can’t, for the most part, regulate what rules a private entity promulgates. I get that a state can pass laws regulating the behavior of its universities. So, if they say that the universities in Texas can do certain things with NIL, the university may have to comply with the laws. The state of Texas has the right to do that. But, that doesn't mean the NCAA has to live with the new "rules" the legislature of one state has decided to pass. The state of Texas, for example, has no authority over the NCAA which is based in Indiana. It can't make all the other 350 universities that are voluntary members of the NCAA re-write their rules or live by rules that some idiot legislator in Texas decided to pass. The NCAA can do what it wants, for the most part, and if the schools don’t comply they can exclude them from the organization.

Here is a good example to take the NIL context out of this as it tends to confuse things: the NCAA says you can only give out 85 scholarships, can only have 10 on-field coaches, and can only pay for 56 official visits (OVs) per year. If the Texas state legislature passed a law that said Texas schools have to give 125 scholarships, they can or must have 20 coaches on-field, and can have 100 OVs in a year, the legislature is well within its rights to do that. I mean if they can pass laws as to how their schools manage NIL, then they certainly can pass laws as to other aspects of college sports administration. Texas schools would then have to comply with those laws. But, you can see what a terrible idea this is, and how the NCAA wouldn't have to allow that, right? That's what you may be missing in the NCAA's new guidance memo - the NCAA is well within its rights to conclude that UT and TAMU are violating the NCAA rules, and that they can no longer compete in the NCAA. Texas schools would be out, and presumably, the Texas legislature would have to revoke that law. This may not seem fair to Texas schools, but the NCAA is simply saying, hey, sorry, not our fault. Talk to your legislature.

If this was not the case, no national organization could ever run any type of organization if states could force the org’s members to do certain things that run afoul of the org’s rules.

You might say, hey, wait a minute, about 30 states passed NIL laws and the NCAA didn't fight back on that. You are correct. I argued here that they could. I argued that when it was just Cali passing the NIL laws. I said the NCAA could tell the Cali schools they are out if they pay their players. Two things happened - (1) even though it didn't deal with NIL, Alston was decided and the NCAA got scared that if they didn't let their athletes get NIL, they would be found in the future to have violated the anti-trust laws. And, (2) instead of just Cali, 30 other states passed laws and there was no way that the NCAA could fight in all 30 states, or eliminate teams from 30 states. It's clear from what was released today that they are drawing a line in the sand and saying we are allowing players to get paid (NIL), but we will manage how that is done in order to protect the competitive nature of our sport. If you don't like it, then you don't get to be in the NCAA.

Who knows how this will end. If it were to go to court, the schools would lose and the NCAA would win. The NCAA clearly has the right to manage their organization the way they and their members want to. There is no way that the NCAA could be held to a patchwork of state laws, each moron legislature trying to give a competitive edge to their schools. Assuming that NIL gets around the anti-trust issues (I am not convinced it does) the NCAA deciding how NIL works so as to maintain balanced competition would not run afoul of anti-trust law ... the players are getting paid, it's just the NCAA gets to reasonably manage how it is done.

This is not me defending the NCAA, or feeling butthurt - my Dawgs are doing NIL differently (same as Bama, tOSU and a few other schools) but be sure they are all in on NIL and our players are getting plenty of it once they get to UGA and start playing. To me, this is just a fundamental misunderstanding by lots of people who think the states can do this type of thing and the NCAA has to bend over and take it.
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If each state gets to write its own rules then we have mob rule. Texas is acting like its dick is so big it has a knee. The SEC hasn't seen anything yet. I'm just waiting to see which body floats to the surface.
 
Goldbug said:
If each state gets to write its own rules then we have mob rule. Texas is acting like its dick is so big it has a knee. The SEC hasn't seen anything yet. I'm just waiting to see which body floats to the surface.
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cause it really is that big... Seriously what is the NCAA going to do? They have made everything a circus.. Go ahead and challenge Texas and other states that are allowing this. SEC will do whatever UT says to do because they aren't running anything anymore..

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IRS I believe came up with a rule that donations to collectives are not tax deductible (even if the collectives ostensibly require charitable work by the players) This may hamper big money donors from contributing.
 
jjc2009 said:
IRS I believe came up with a rule that donations to collectives are not tax deductible (even if the collectives ostensibly require charitable work by the players) This may hamper big money donors from contributing.
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It would be news to Texas since they worked hand in hand WITH the IRS to get theirs cleared prior to them launching it publicly

It would be bad if the IRS really pursued this too because charities are getting a lot publicity and money partnering with the collectives. Collectives (ran correctly) aren't just issuing checks out to the players for the sake of it... the players are actually out doing community outreach on the regular.
Habitat for humanity, meals on wheels are the bigger named charitable work but stars like Bijan teamed up with other lifetime longhorn football players for a book fundraiser for children in the poor areas of Austin. Him being on TV, prompted viewers to call in and donate money for that as well.

Collectives are a good thing when ran right
 
Thiefery said:
It would be news to Texas since they worked hand in hand WITH the IRS to get theirs cleared prior to them launching it publicly

It would be bad if the IRS really pursued this too because charities are getting a lot publicity and money partnering with the collectives. Collectives (ran correctly) aren't just issuing checks out to the players for the sake of it... the players are actually out doing community outreach on the regular.
Habitat for humanity, meals on wheels are the bigger named charitable work but stars like Bijan teamed up with other lifetime longhorn football players for a book fundraiser for children in the poor areas of Austin. Him being on TV, prompted viewers to call in and donate money for that as well.

Collectives are a good thing when ran right
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I think the rule says you can’t make your collective a 501(c)(3) even if it’s for charitable work. The IRS’s position is it’s mainly a means of providing income to players, not a write-off as a charitable donation.

This will hurt ND because their collectives are mainly set up around charitable causes, that way the collars don’t get upset that the school is buying players. ND’s collective’s philosophy is they want everyone to get a piece of the pie so there won’t be 7 figure payments, but everyone can be guaranteed to see 5 figures. Individuals can strike their own deals but the collective is there to spread it around.

I think this approach keeps the locker room together but will make it harder to recruit blue chips looking for a big payday.
 
jjc2009 said:
I think the rule says you can’t make your collective a 501(c)(3) even if it’s for charitable work. The IRS’s position is it’s mainly a means of providing income to players, not a write-off as a charitable donation.

This will hurt ND because their collectives are mainly set up around charitable causes, that way the collars don’t get upset that the school is buying players. ND’s collective’s philosophy is they want everyone to get a piece of the pie so there won’t be 7 figure payments, but everyone can expect to see 5 figures. Individuals can strike their own deals but the collective is there to spread it around.

I think this approach keeps the locker room together but will make it harder to recruit blue chips looking for a big payday.
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that's how the UT one works as well.. it's increasing the base FOR ALL athletes in the program, not just football..

The other deals are NIL based with endorsements and what not. Which is the reason why schools like ND, UT, UM, tosu will have an advantage when it comes to this.. It's not about having a few boosters with FU money.. it's regular folks contributing $10/mo or mom and pop shops hiring a player or two to endorse their business or to do a signing there... Which btw, the players are paying taxes on
 
Thiefery said:
cause it really is that big... Seriously what is the NCAA going to do? They have made everything a circus.. Go ahead and challenge Texas and other states that are allowing this. SEC will do whatever UT says to do because they aren't running anything anymore..

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Legally the NCAA would win, you realize that, right? The problem for the NCAA isn't a matter of law, they are in the right. The problem is that if too many states do this they can't eliminate all the teams in the states that do.

You appear to think this is cute and funny, but it really isn't. Ultimately, you won't get an advantage because of it. If the NCAA can't stop you then everyone else will do it and we are back to a situation you probably won't like. Short-term gain for chaos. Nice going Texas and all you other fucked up states.
 
Thiefery said:
cause it really is that big... Seriously what is the NCAA going to do? They have made everything a circus.. Go ahead and challenge Texas and other states that are allowing this. SEC will do whatever UT says to do because they aren't running anything anymore..

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We had these discussions about you are only allowed an opinion when we give it to you. Now go sit back down in the corner.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Legally the NCAA would win, you realize that, right? The problem for the NCAA isn't a matter of law, they are in the right. The problem is that if too many states do this they can't eliminate all the teams in the states that do.

You appear to think this is cute and funny, but it really isn't. Ultimately, you won't get an advantage because of it. If the NCAA can't stop you then everyone else will do it and we are back to a situation you probably won't like. Short-term gain for chaos. Nice going Texas and all you other fucked up states.
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lol NCAA isn't winning anything.. nobody cares about them.. even your commissioner came out publicly and said they are following the legislations

Let the NCAA take a stand and "eliminate" states like Texas.. it won't end up well for them, just like everything else they've reacted to.

Must suck knowing the SEC commish already is aligning towards Texas.. the REAL power of the SEC.. if GA doesn't follow the same, they are the fucked up ones.. losers.
 
Wild Turkey said:
We had these discussions about you are only allowed an opinion when we give it to you. Now go sit back down in the corner.
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lol corner? We make the decisions at the very top.. you just sit there with the other guys in the break room waiting for an email telling you what to do... don't forget to smile :)
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Legally the NCAA would win, you realize that, right? The problem for the NCAA isn't a matter of law, they are in the right. The problem is that if too many states do this they can't eliminate all the teams in the states that do.

You appear to think this is cute and funny, but it really isn't. Ultimately, you won't get an advantage because of it. If the NCAA can't stop you then everyone else will do it and we are back to a situation you probably won't like. Short-term gain for chaos. Nice going Texas and all you other fucked up states.
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I'm not sure the NCAA would win because I can't remember the last time they actually won a lawsuit.

Regardless they aren't getting any advantage because all the other schools are doing exactly what the Texas schools say they are going to do with the exception of giving NIL contributors points that give them special privileges. All the schools are doing the following:

- Creating school-run collectives
- The collectives are paying players
- Big NIL donors get special privileges

The other schools are just pretending through smoke and mirrors that they are in compliance but there isn't a damn one that is. I think in the beginning most didn't even know how to handle NIL and were treading carefully but once situations like aTm's recruiting class two cycles ago happen it took everyone else about 30 days to follow suit.

Honestly, I'm not sure the NCAA really wants a fight on this one because it's already out of control and they have zero shot of being able to fix it or hold people accountable if they tried. This thing is going to end up with athletes entering employee contracts so the schools can cap the NIL amounts and reign in free agency. It will take time for it to happen but I think that is definitely where this is headed and felt that way from the beginning.
 
Thiefery said:
yeah lets just keep giving it to coaches and their staffs
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The coaches and staff are getting paid to do their job. The same way the athletes are getting paid with a free education, free room and board, free equipment, free shoes, free workout gear, state of the art facilities, nutrionists, strength coaches, the opportunity to showcase their talent on a national level to scouts.

If you want to pay the players, let the players pay for their education, let them pay for their housing, let them pay to use the facilities, let them pay for their strength coaches, let them pay for their supplements, let them pay for their airfare and hotel for their games.

A scholarship for an out of state athlete in the state of Michigan is worth $200,000 alone. Not including books, room and board, etc. When you add all of that in -- the scholarship is now worth roughly $300,000 for 4 years. Now add in professional coaching, the strength coaching, the use of state of the art facilities 24/7, 365 days a year, the top of the line equipment, the airfare and hotel rooms, the cost of meals on trips, the list goes on and on. So a 4 year scholarship is now worth in excess of $1,000,000 with all the cost added in.

Since they want to be treated like professionals. These teams should be able to trade these kids to other teams when they are no longer needed or cut them midseason and take away their scholarship if they are not performing up to par. If you want the benefits of being paid, you have to take the downside with it.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I'm not sure the NCAA would win because I can't remember the last time they actually won a lawsuit.

Regardless they aren't getting any advantage because all the other schools are doing exactly what the Texas schools say they are going to do with the exception of giving NIL contributors points that give them special privileges. All the schools are doing the following:

- Creating school-run collectives
- The collectives are paying players
- Big NIL donors get special privileges

The other schools are just pretending through smoke and mirrors that they are in compliance but there isn't a damn one that is. I think in the beginning most didn't even know how to handle NIL and were treading carefully but once situations like aTm's recruiting class two cycles ago happen it took everyone else about 30 days to follow suit.

Honestly, I'm not sure the NCAA really wants a fight on this one because it's already out of control and they have zero shot of being able to fix it or hold people accountable if they tried. This thing is going to end up with athletes entering employee contracts so the schools can cap the NIL amounts and reign in free agency. It will take time for it to happen but I think that is definitely where this is headed and felt that way from the beginning.
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NCAA can't do anything. If the whole hang up is about a pts system for tickets and perks.... lol.

NCAA is basically BEGGING the feds to come intervene.. then you have slapsticks like Saban, BV willingly to speak to the feds about how they need to intervene because of their poor states..

Feds don't care man
 
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