Texas NIL Bill

[fordman84]

I’m not saying don’t pay the kids but we have to find a solution to the current environment.

It’s ridiculous that kids are transferring at will right now and putting themselves up for bid.

That is an absolute abomination of what should be happening. Put the kids under contract, pay them a living wage and let’s cut out the theatrics.

Most big basketball programs are not recruiting more than one or two freshman a year now and just picking up players in the portal. 50% or more of Rosters are literally flipping yearly now. It’s beyond ridiculous.

We will get there. It took the NFL decades to get a salary cap in place. Won't take as long this time, but the issue is going to be who is going to enforce it. I think it will happen when a few of the larger schools, or maybe a couple of P5 conferences, team up to set the framework for a governing body. Can't be the sham NCAA, but will have to be structured with rules like the other major sports have. It will lead to a CBA and we will get normalcy. But right now when there is no governing body and the NCAA took the stance of just choking the golden goose instead of trying to actually advance the sport, the vacuum has led to a free for all.

This pain is necessary to help force the need for regulation.

 

[Thiefery]

I’m not saying don’t pay the kids but we have to find a solution to the current environment.

It’s ridiculous that kids are transferring at will right now and putting themselves up for bid.

That is an absolute abomination of what should be happening. Put the kids under contract, pay them a living wage and let’s cut out the theatrics.

Most big basketball programs are not recruiting more than one or two freshman a year now and just picking up players in the portal. 50% or more of Rosters are literally flipping yearly now. It’s beyond ridiculous.

position coaches that recruit these players leave all the time.. I know the saying is commit to a school not a coaching staff but who the hell does that for the most part? relationships>>

Basketball can do that .. which actually feeds the smaller schools with better talent who later on will portal to a bigger program..

Will be like that in CFB too, but not as drastically as it is happening in CBB

 

[fordman84]

As for Basketball, CBB is more in trouble from the G League than NIL.

 

[Thiefery]

We will get there. It took the NFL decades to get a salary cap in place. Won't take as long this time, but the issue is going to be who is going to enforce it. I think it will happen when a few of the larger schools, or maybe a couple of P5 conferences, team up to set the framework for a governing body. Can't be the sham NCAA, but will have to be structured with rules like the other major sports have. It will lead to a CBA and we will get normalcy. But right now when there is no governing body and the NCAA took the stance of just choking the golden goose instead of trying to actually advance the sport, the vacuum has led to a free for all.

This pain is necessary to help force the need for regulation.

yeah in about another decade, players will be getting a portion of the TV money and collectives will be done

 

[fordman84]

position coaches that recruit these players leave all the time.. I know the saying is commit to a school not a coaching staff but who the hell does that for the most part? relationships>>

Basketball can do that .. which actually feeds the smaller schools with better talent who later on will portal to a bigger program..

Will be like that in CFB too, but not as drastically as it is happening in CBB

Smaller schools feeding larger schools is how college baseball has always worked. Pitchers get the few scholarship dollars and the position players are far and away from Juco or smaller schools. It can work for the other college sports as well.

 

[Thiefery]

As for Basketball, CBB is more in trouble from the G League than NIL.

I actually think CBB is safe because at the end of the day, it's not about what school has the elite players that will be going at the top of the draft.. it's the jerseys and stories that make the NCAA tournament so fun every March. I think that CBB and the G league or the other independent development leagues can co-exist

 

[fordman84]

I actually think CBB is safe because at the end of the day, it's not about what school has the elite players that will be going at the top of the draft.. it's the jerseys and stories that make the NCAA tournament so fun every March. I think that CBB and the G league or the other independent development leagues can co-exist

They can co-exist, but if either of them makes a drastic change then the other has to follow suit. I could see G League rules changing to benefit the players and forcing colleges to match. But if they can't, then not sure how it works out. Again to reference back to baseball that was always the issue. Except in baseball very few get from HS or College to the majors in under 3-4 years. That's protected college baseball where you can get experience and a degree or you can make a small amount of money going to the minors after being drafted in the 20th round.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

flights to away games? u mean the games they are supposed to play? lol Nike pays UT a bag for everyone to wear their gear.. u gonna add the washers and dryers that our provided to them to wash their practice clothing too? lol

again..it's PEANUTS lol

BTW do the coaches also get free gear, food, workout coaches?? do they have to pay for their own flights to the games as well?

The coaches -- this is their job. If they don't perform, they can be fired immediately. As a Texas fan, I'm sure know all about this.
If the players want to be paid like professionals -- they should be treated like professionals. They should be able to be traded to other schools, they should be able to be cut from the team at any point, they should be able to have their scholarship removed and dropped from the school. Shouldn't matter if they are a senior or not -- they are removed and forced to go elsewhere.

If they want to be paid like professionals, they have to take the bad that goes along with it. In their scholarship/contract -- it should also list all of the things they can no longer do and if they are found to have broken the contract, they are removed from team and school.

I think this would be great. Set up a salary cap for each school. Let teams make trades and deals -- it doesn't matter than the school "Player X" is traded to now does not have their major. They can pick a new one.

 

[Wild Turkey]

position coaches that recruit these players leave all the time.. I know the saying is commit to a school not a coaching staff but who the hell does that for the most part? relationships>>

Basketball can do that .. which actually feeds the smaller schools with better talent who later on will portal to a bigger program..

Will be like that in CFB too, but not as drastically as it is happening in CBB

We can’t have both no salary cap and unlimited free agency that shit will ruin the sport.

So if you take the money then you are under contract. If you don’t take the money then you are free to go where you like. But you can’t have it both ways.

 

[Red_Alert]

To me it’s messing up the game.

Kids are chasing money instead of opportunity and that’s a shame.

Even Saban said the work ethic is going down because the incentive has gone down.

Schools are essentially going to be able to buy championships and we just saw that with LSU baseball. Matter of time before it happens in basketball (which is a complete cluster fuck with NIL, Portal and one and done).

If we want to pay them that’s fine but they should be under contract. Having a system with no salary cap and unlimited free agency isn’t a combination that is healthy for the sport.

I've said all along these NIL deals need to be 'performance based'.

The hot shots getting the big money need to be regular contributors on the field.
You don't get the money for riding the pine 2nd or 3rd string.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

lol anarchy and chaos? Why cause UT and aggy can raise money and it helps in recruiting?

Guess it was all good when you could just give families money through a church or set kids up with hellcats from a friendly dealer or maybe some cash from a kids hospital...

But God-forbid a state tells the NCAA to kick rocks on something they punted the ball on for years.. it's the end of CFB.. Go watch EPL or something

I really don't think you've thought this through. No, it's not about UT and Aggy raising money. All the big boys can raise money. I've told you ... if you think tOSU, UGA, and Bama can't keep up with you on NIL, you are going to be disappointed. If you think all you need to do is raise money and you will suddenly be good, LOL ... talk to Aggy about how that's working out, or to all the schools on that list you sent me.

It's about the state of Texas, and other states, attempting to control the NCAA and what they do with their membership. Have you even read the law your morons (keep in mind that all politicians are morons to me) passed? Here is what it says, in part:

According to the legislation: “An athletic association, an athletic conference, or any other group or organization with authority over an intercollegiate athletic program at an institution to which this section applies may not enforce a contract term, a rule, a regulation, a standard, or any other requirement that prohibits the institution from participating in intercollegiate athletics or otherwise penalizes the institution or the institution’s intercollegiate athletic program for performing, participating in, or allowing an activity required or authorized by this section.”

They have basically said that the NCAA can't enforce its rules in Texas, which means Texas schools can do anything they want so long as their legislators pass laws about it. As I mentioned in a previous post, they could pass a law that says you can have 150 scholarship players and there is nothing the NCAA can do about it according to you, and you think this is a good thing. Do you really want that to happen? You have an irrational hate of the NCAA, but do you really want a system where there are no rules?

That's the anarchy and chaos you seem to simply ignore because you think you are pulling over a fast one, which you really aren't. If it goes to uncontrolled spending mattering, you don't think the other schools can keep up?

 

[fordman84]

We can’t have both no salary cap and unlimited free agency that shit will ruin the sport.

So if you take the money then you are under contract. If you don’t take the money then you are free to go where you like. But you can’t have it both ways.

You can take the money for this year, play this year, and go somewhere else.

You also assume it will ruin the country because just a couple of teams will get all the best players. That doesn't happen now, why would it happen then? Think everyone else will suddenly run out of money to entice players to come to their team? Think they all just want rings and are willing to sit behind another player to get it? Think they don't want to walk in and be the day 1 starter all of a sudden?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Texas doesn't care what the other 350 do. We also don't give a shit about the NCAA. Do you think California cares about the other states when they instituted the CCPA and in doing so forced just about every major company in the entire world to comply? Fuck no.

Do you think CA cared when they tried to change the rules on how gig workers are paid or considered employees? Fuck no

Do you think CA cared when they went to war with the entire digital social media industry by trying to regulate news royalties on the entire industry? Fuck no


But when Texas makes rules for the colleges in their state, it can't be done?

You realize how stupid that sounds? You are a voluntary member of an organization that you help run, that you want to enforce rules, yet you are glad your dumbass state legislators are trying to undermine it? Why? Because you can't win under the current rules so you are going to make your own? What a beta move that is. And it ignores the reality that the same teams that have been winning will also win under the lack of rules if that is what happens.

You Texas guys have your chests all pumped out like you are doing something cool .... way to go team Texas, yee haw! And you don't even realize the damage you are doing to the sport you purport to support and love.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

yeah in about another decade, players will be getting a portion of the TV money and collectives will be done

1. I agree with the fact that the players will get paid directly by the schools. How that is done, I am not sure.
2. The collectives and NIL won't be done at all. The genies out of that bottle. The will still want their NIL money, and they will get it.

 

[Thiefery]

I really don't think you've thought this through. No, it's not about UT and Aggy raising money. All the big boys can raise money. I've told you ... if you think tOSU, UGA, and Bama can't keep up with you on NIL, you are going to be disappointed. If you think all you need to do is raise money and you will suddenly be good, LOL ... talk to Aggy about how that's working out, or to all the schools on that list you sent me.

It's about the state of Texas, and other states, attempting to control the NCAA and what they do with their membership. Have you even read the law your morons (keep in mind that all politicians are morons to me) passed? Here is what it says, in part:

According to the legislation: “An athletic association, an athletic conference, or any other group or organization with authority over an intercollegiate athletic program at an institution to which this section applies may not enforce a contract term, a rule, a regulation, a standard, or any other requirement that prohibits the institution from participating in intercollegiate athletics or otherwise penalizes the institution or the institution’s intercollegiate athletic program for performing, participating in, or allowing an activity required or authorized by this section.”

They have basically said that the NCAA can't enforce its rules in Texas, which means Texas schools can do anything they want so long as their legislators pass laws about it. As I mentioned in a previous post, they could pass a law that says you can have 150 scholarship players and there is nothing the NCAA can do about it according to you, and you think this is a good thing. Do you really want that to happen? You have an irrational hate of the NCAA, but do you really want a system where there are no rules?

That's the anarchy and chaos you seem to simply ignore because you think you are pulling over a fast one, which you really aren't. If it goes to uncontrolled spending mattering, you don't think the other schools can keep up?

you said it's about the states controlling the NCAA.. the NCAA gave up control.. they are reacting to everything THEY KNEW was going to come but had no idea on how to go about it..

If the states feel the Collectives are working on the up and up, why not protect it's schools from the wishy washy NCAA?

 

[Thiefery]

The coaches -- this is their job. If they don't perform, they can be fired immediately. As a Texas fan, I'm sure know all about this.
If the players want to be paid like professionals -- they should be treated like professionals. They should be able to be traded to other schools, they should be able to be cut from the team at any point, they should be able to have their scholarship removed and dropped from the school. Shouldn't matter if they are a senior or not -- they are removed and forced to go elsewhere.

If they want to be paid like professionals, they have to take the bad that goes along with it. In their scholarship/contract -- it should also list all of the things they can no longer do and if they are found to have broken the contract, they are removed from team and school.

I think this would be great. Set up a salary cap for each school. Let teams make trades and deals -- it doesn't matter than the school "Player X" is traded to now does not have their major. They can pick a new one.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

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are these all people donating to the Texas NIL collective?

 

[Thiefery]

are these all people donating to the Texas NIL collective?

no the people donating are all doing cool things rather than sitting around complaining that the sport they love is falling apart

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

you said it's about the states controlling the NCAA.. the NCAA gave up control.. they are reacting to everything THEY KNEW was going to come but had no idea on how to go about it..

If the states feel the Collectives are working on the up and up, why not protect it's schools from the wishy washy NCAA?

I've been very critical of the NCAA. They totally fucked up NIL, although they were between are rock and a hard place. And they have been totally feckless in so many ways. So, I am no friend of the NCAA.

For me, I look at this from the perspective of a lawyer. So I see a state - Texas or the other ones - pass the law that they did. I immediately go to the fact that legally it doesn't matter. The NCAA is not subject to Texas law. UT and ATM are. The NCAA is not. If the NCAA wants to enforce its rules, finally, they can. There would be nothing legally that the state of Texas could do.

Let's say this plays out and schools for 5 states blatantly ignore the NCAA rules. Let's say the NCAA grows some balls and says, sorry schools in those states, you can't participate. There is nothing in that Texas law that could make the NCAA and all the other schools allow Texas and the other schools to participate. The NCAA is a private organization. As I stated before, Texas is in the middle here ... the state on one side, the NCAA on the other.

I have no problem with the collectives or NIL. I am for it. You know that. I've posted about it. I do have a problem with direct pay to play, although I also have stated I don't think it's that big a deal. The pipeline will shut down as soon as players getting a ton of money don't produce and the donors realize they are getting no ROI. I have stated many times that what UGA and others do - you only get money once you are on the team - is really form over substance ... it still entices them to go. But, to me, there is simply a difference in saying, "I'll give you a million to come here," and if you come here, "you have a chance to make a million." The ones on that list you posted are doing the former and so far the results have not been good at all. tOSU, UGA, Bama are taking the second path and so far it's working for them fine, but that's more because players want to go there for other reasons.

C'mon, you know this isn't being done because the states want to protect the poor old collectives. They are trying to get an edge for the schools in their state.

 

[ELTEXAN]

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Let's say this plays out and schools for 5 states blatantly ignore the NCAA rules. Let's say the NCAA grows some balls and says, sorry schools in those states, you can't participate. There is nothing in that Texas law that could make the NCAA and all the other schools allow Texas and the other schools to participate. The NCAA is a private organization. As I stated before, Texas is in the middle here ... the state on one side, the NCAA on the other.

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The States will sue the ncaa as a monopsony. Ncaa will lose. You and I went over this on the other thread. I’m still right.