TOP 25... Overrated & Underrated

Across The Field said:
I'll give them credit for taking advantage of us repeatedly shooting ourselves in the foot. Very different from 2021 when they imposed their will all game and had control from start to finish. Two very different games.
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Yes. 2021, OSU played their base defense and got manhandled in the trenches.

To try and combat that -- OSU stacks the box and brings their LB's on majority of downs -- That equals, OSU shooting themselves in the foot.:facepalm:


It would be like Michigan only rushing 3 and dropping 8 in coverage, then when OSU runs for 300+ yards to say they only ran for 300+ because it was self inflicted :beer2:

All kinds of teams get outscored 28-3 in the 2nd half and it was all self inflicted
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Other than the fact, Michigan went on the road in 2022 and did EXACTLY the same thing they did in 2021, but yeah, you are being objective:facepalm:.
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LMAO they literally did the exact opposite of what they did in 2021. One year they methodically moved the ball up and down the field at will while in the other, they could barely move the ball at all outside of flukey big plays where yeah, we shot ourselves in the foot.
 
Across The Field said:
I gave michigan credit for 2021, and tons of it. That's enough. Fields was leading his offense to a scoring output that would've ranked top 5-7 in the NFL over the stretch we were discussing, yet the team went 1-6. Are you saying it's his fault they got rid of their only good defensive players and they were last in the league in scoring defense and 4th to last in total defense?

I did totally forget for a second that USC is joining the B1G next year, I took it as Riley was going to take a job with a current B1G team. My bad there. That said, you're lacking/ignoring proper context on that conversation.
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FWIW, I was discussing his entire season, and overall two years in the league. I said if he has another season, like his first two years, they would probably move on from him. He had a good stretch towards the end of last year, which I never denied. But if he isn't overall better, it's not good considering who's available in the draft.
 
Across The Field said:
I'll give them credit for taking advantage of us repeatedly shooting ourselves in the foot. Very different from 2021 when they imposed their will all game and had control from start to finish. Two very different games.

Ah yes, the QBR always tells the entire tale lol. He was the entire offense. There were 10 teams that averaged fewer PPG than Chicago and all of them had better records, but you're being objective in saying it was all his fault?

Yes, that means nothing in regards to the actual conversation. Forgetting about USC coming to the B1G next year means nothing in regards to comparing 3 HCs.

Like I said, if you have an actual argument be my guest.
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You continue to make my point valid. Thank you so much!

Love you buddy

So do you have an overrated team on this list. (Besides Michigan)
 
ericd7633 said:
FWIW, I was discussing his entire season, and overall two years in the league. I said if he has another season, like his first two years, they would probably move on from him. He had a good stretch towards the end of last year, which I never denied. But if he isn't overall better, it's not good considering who's available in the draft.
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Oh and I don't disagree. He has a better OL and much better weapons. He has to take another step this year in terms of passing, and I've never said he was close to being a finished product there. That said, he hardly had any help his first two years all things considered. If he doesn't have success in Chicago though, I could easily see someone giving him a starting shot elsewhere.
 
ralphiewvu said:
You continue to make my point valid. Thank you so much!

Love you buddy

So do you have an overrated team on this list. (Besides Michigan)
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WVU underrated. Neal Brown is right there, man.
 
South Carolina too high

Baylor too low
 
Across The Field said:
LMAO they literally did the exact opposite of what they did in 2021. One year they methodically moved the ball up and down the field at will while in the other, they could barely move the ball at all outside of flukey big plays where yeah, we shot ourselves in the foot.
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One year -- you played your base defense and were manhandled in the trenches. See 2021

What does a team do when they don't believe their team will hold up against the offensive line and the run game? THEY STACK THE BOX, bring more guys than the offense can block and have their LB's shoot the run gaps. What happens when you do this? You leave your secondary on an island. See 2022 big passing plays.

What happens when a team stacks the box, have their LBs shoot the run gaps and the OL is able to pick up the blocks? It leaves A LOT of open space behind the defensive front, as the safeties are moving down to fill in the for the LB's. All you see is open space if you get thru the hole. See 2022 big run plays.

The reason the other poster is laughing at you is because you truly think the plays were fluke plays. Reality is -- the plays were a result of OSU's defensive game plan, because they didn't trust their front 7 to hold up, they went to a high risk defensive game plan and were burned REPEATEDLY. See Don Brown's defenses.
 
Across The Field said:
LMAO they literally did the exact opposite of what they did in 2021. One year they methodically moved the ball up and down the field at will while in the other, they could barely move the ball at all outside of flukey big plays where yeah, we shot ourselves in the foot.
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Let me ask you this. What do you think happens if OSU plays their base defense in 2022, instead of the 8, 9 man box where they are shooting gaps with their LB's?
 
Across The Field said:
Oh and I don't disagree. He has a better OL and much better weapons. He has to take another step this year in terms of passing, and I've never said he was close to being a finished product there. That said, he hardly had any help his first two years all things considered. If he doesn't have success in Chicago though, I could easily see someone giving him a starting shot elsewhere.
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It's gotta be this year IMO. With that said, I do think another team would take him on, if the Bears move off him. There's a couple teams that would make some sense.
 
ericd7633 said:
It's gotta be this year IMO. With that said, I do think another team would take him on, if the Bears move off him. There's a couple teams that would make some sense.
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If Chicago moved away from him, Atlanta couldn't possibly make more sense and I'm sure they'd jump at the chance to grab him. I'd argue he'd be better off there than in Chicago this year really.
 
Across The Field said:
WVU underrated. Neal Brown is right there, man.
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Brotha, 6-6 is not going to get them ranked. If they lose to Pitt (and right Now I don’t see how they don’t) they are going to start 1-3 with still having to visit TCU, Oklahoma and Baylor. A saving grace is getting to play all these newbies but none of those a easy wins either. The Pitt game is huge for this program.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Brotha, 6-6 is not going to get them ranked. If they lose to Pitt (and right Now I don’t see how they don’t) they are going to start 1-3 with still having to visit TCU, Oklahoma and Baylor. A saving grace is getting to play all these newbies but none of those a easy wins either. The Pitt game is huge for this program.
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What's RichRod up to these days?
 
Overrated - #5 Penn St
Underrated - Unranked Iowa
 
ralphiewvu said:
NO
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BTW, I didn't actually say PSU was underrated earlier but I did say if anyone flipped them with us, I wouldn't disagree.

For actual overrated/underrated, I would go LSU over and Washington under. I'm obviously not on the LSU wagon just yet, so I think 7 is too high, but they do have talent so right around 15 is fine. I think Washington takes another step forward this year and pushes for the 4th CFP spot. I liked what they did over their final 5 games and that momentum carries into the year.
 
ericd7633 said:
FWIW, I was discussing his entire season, and overall two years in the league. I said if he has another season, like his first two years, they would probably move on from him. He had a good stretch towards the end of last year, which I never denied. But if he isn't overall better, it's not good considering who's available in the draft.
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Isn't that what you want to see in your sophomore QB? Fields is progressing like any QB should in his first two seasons and I don't see him regressing with the additions of DJ Moore and 1st round RT Wright.
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Lot of people just look at the final record but clearly management was tanking the roster, getting rid of older expensive players for future/ younger pieces (especially on defense). Even today, Chicago is not a playoff contending team. Just too many holes to fill in one off-season
 
TaikoTiger said:
Isn't that what you want to see in your sophomore QB? Fields is progressing like any QB should in his first two seasons and I don't see him regressing with the additions of DJ Moore and 1st round RT Wright.
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Lot of people just look at the final record but clearly management was tanking the roster, getting rid of older expensive players for future/ younger pieces (especially on defense). Even today, Chicago is not a playoff contending team. Just too many holes to fill in one off-season
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I don't think Chicago is going to be bad enough next year to be in position to draft Caleb Williams, and I also don't see Fields flopping, so he should have at least a 4th year there barring something unforeseen. That said, there isn't a QB in the NFL that could've started their career in Chicago the last two years dealing with what Fields did and look like a sure thing.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Ohio State is losing their QB and we know very little about their replacement. Hard to call them a top 4 team until seen. I'd say somewhere 5-10 until we see their QB; who does have loaded talent around him. I'd say Michigan is probably too high at 2, I'd still put at minimum UGA and Alabama above until proven otherwise.
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It's absolutely ludicrous that Ohio State is ranked top three in the nation by anyone with half a brain in their head.
 
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