OREGON arriving in the B1G will create changes

Deep Creek said:
Even if it were conference schedules only, no way an AAC team plays a conference slate as difficult as an SEC, B1G, etc. Even if said G5 team played 3 P5s OOC.
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Wasn't it saying the 4 teams coming to the B1G will have a tougher schedule than they had in the PAC10?

Pardon me, if I am wrong.
 
Deep Creek said:
So Cincinnati’s win percentage the last few years is higher than Florida’s so they must be better? I know you are more rational than this.
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Probably not a great comparison because Cincinnati has been better than Florida in recent years. However, your comparison would only make sense if the B1G was routinely a G5 level conference while the Pac12 was elite. Neither of those are true.
 
Kburjr said:
Wasn't it saying the 4 teams coming to the B1G will have a tougher schedule than they had in the PAC10?

Pardon me, if I am wrong.
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It was the list I used with examples of middle/lower teams from both conferences. Take tOSU and Michigan out of the equation, and I don’t see much difference in the Maryland/Arizona State types of either conference. He was using winning % as the only criteria to support his point of view.
 
Deep Creek said:
tOSU and recent Michigan I’ll buy, not PSU, Wiskey, etc. Like I said, I’ll bet they perform in their new conference about like they did in their old one. Just like A&M and Mizzou have in the SEC. Check out their last 10 years in the Big 12 and compare it to their first 10 in the SEC.
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It will be interesting to see how they fare. It is a different style of play in the B1G than in the PAC. They will face more teams who will play the physical brand they usually only saw against Utah.

I think Oregon will be a solid team, but no they aren't going to be competing for B1G titles, especially if USC is supposedly back now.
 
Across The Field said:
Probably not a great comparison because Cincinnati has been better than Florida in recent years. However, your comparison would only make sense if the B1G was routinely a G5 level conference while the Pac12 was elite. Neither of those are true.
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As good as Cincy has been and as bad as Florida has been in that time frame, Florida’s record is still better if Cincy had played Florida’s schedules during that time instead of an ACC schedule.

Do they use winning percentage as the sole criteria in calculating SOS?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
It will be interesting to see how they fare. It is a different style of play in the B1G than in the PAC. They will face more teams who will play the physical brand they usually only saw against Utah.

I think Oregon will be a solid team, but no they aren't going to be competing for B1G titles, especially if USC is supposedly back now.
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Oregon didn’t win the PAC the last two years either so I don’t expect them to win the B1G either.

That sounds like Fat Bret while at Arkie. Told the Texas HS coaches at their convention they played “real football” and those other styles couldn’t play with them. A not so great Tech team with Coach GQ goes Into Fayettville a month or so later and wins convincingly. Styles make good fights…boxers and punchers…Ali/Frazier.

Hell, even Jimmy Jam’s team didn’t physically whip a “soft” TCU team last year IIRC. They were supposed to. Georgia did whip their butt because they could play physical AND could match the Froggies in foot speed.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Depends who you play.
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I've posted this before, but without divisions, and presuming 3 permanent rivals where the top teams get two top teams and a bottom team (UGA will get Auburn and UF, and then Kentucky or USCjr). You then rotate through the other 12 teams every other year. Here is an example of what the UGA schedule will be like:

Starting in 2024/25, In Conference schedule - sample every other year 3-6-6 schedule (with the Nerds thrown in):

@Auburn, Florida, @Kentucky, GaTech | Alabama, @Oklahoma, Texas A&M, @Ole Miss, Mizzou, @South Carolina
Auburn, @Florida, Kentucky, @GaTech | @LSU, Texas, @Tennessee, Miss State, @Vandy, Arkansas
@Auburn, Florida, @Kentucky, GaTech | @Alabama, Oklahoma, @Texas A&M, Ole Miss, @Mizzou, South Carolina
Auburn, @Florida, Kentucky, @GaTech | LSU, @Texas, Tennessee, @Miss State, Vandy, @Arkansas

So, in the:
Even years, we would get Bama, OU, ATM, UF, Auburn - then Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mizzou, and USCjr
Odd years, we would get LSU, Texas, Tenn, UF, Auburn - then Kentucky, MSU, Vandy, and Arkansas

So, that's who we play and for each team it's going to be like this ... about 5-6 top teams per year, and then 3-4 bottom teams.

Next year, we are @Bama, @Texas, @ Ole Miss, @Kentucy, UF, Auburn, MSU, and Tenn. It's easy to see 7 of those in the top 25 pre-season.

As I posted, divisionless football for the SEC and then B1G will be much tougher.
 
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Deep Creek said:
As good as Cincy has been and as bad as Florida has been in that time frame, Florida’s record is still better if Cincy had played Florida’s schedules during that time instead of an ACC schedule.

Do they use winning percentage as the sole criteria in calculating SOS?
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Not too sure I agree with that, but anyhow, you aren't making a comparison between a G5 conference and an elite P5 conference, you're comparing a lower-end P5 to a higher-end P5. Saying that Stanford, ASU, and whoever else you mentioned are the same as everyone in the B1G outside of OSU and michigan is, again, demonstrably false. Any objective CFB fan would agree because you don't have anything resembling a coherent argument.
 
Deep Creek said:
It was the list I used with examples of middle/lower teams from both conferences. Take tOSU and Michigan out of the equation, and I don’t see much difference in the Maryland/Arizona State types of either conference. He was using winning % as the only criteria to support his point of view.
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The reason I used winning % is because when you take the 4 teams out of the Pac-12 that are coming to the B1G, that conference has been consistently garbage in the CFP era outside of Utah and a few years of Stanford last decade. If you take away OSU and michigan, you're left with teams like PSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Minnesota who have been consistently better than those other P12 teams outside of Utah. You're basically taking the middle of the Pac-12 and comparing it to the lower end of the B1G and saying the conferences are the same.
 
Across The Field said:
Not too sure I agree with that, but anyhow, you aren't making a comparison between a G5 conference and an elite P5 conference, you're comparing a lower-end P5 to a higher-end P5. Saying that Stanford, ASU, and whoever else you mentioned are the same as everyone in the B1G outside of OSU and michigan is, again, demonstrably false. Any objective CFB fan would agree because you don't have anything resembling a coherent argument.
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You really believe Cincy would have a better record playing the same schedule Florida’s that Florida does? smdh
 
Across The Field said:
The reason I used winning % is because when you take the 4 teams out of the Pac-12 that are coming to the B1G, that conference has been consistently garbage in the CFP era outside of Utah and a few years of Stanford last decade. If you take away OSU and michigan, you're left with teams like PSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Minnesota who have been consistently better than those other P12 teams outside of Utah. You're basically taking the middle of the Pac-12 and comparing it to the lower end of the B1G and saying the conferences are the same.
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No I’m not. I’m taking the top two out of the big and saying the conferences are about the same after that.
 
Deep Creek said:
Agree on SEC schedule being “way more difficult”. Disagree that the B1G schedule is “way more difficult”. It MIGHT be slightly more difficult, but ONLY because of a couple at the top. Only tOSU and Michigan don’t compare with the PAC. Maryland, Iowa, Sparty, Minne, Purdue, etal are the same as ASU, Oregon State, Stanford, etal.
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We are comparing this to what Oregon plays now, right? With 18 teams, who knows what they are going to do. But let's throw out a 3-3-6 type schedule for Oregon where they get 3 permanent rivals, then 6 other teams they rotate through. We can then compare that to what they play now, and what an SEC team would play.

I know that (1) they previously announced they weren't doing 3 permanent, and that (2) they now have 18 teams. But, with the 4 west coast teams, I have a feeling they will make them rivalries of some type, sort of a pod.

Even years - USC, UCLA, Washington / tOSU, PSU, MSU, Iowa, NW, Illinois, Rutgers
Odd years - USC, UCLA, Washington / UM, Wisky, Purdue, Nebraska, Minny, Indiana

Again, I've left out Maryland because the 18 fucks it up, but it allows us to do some comparing.

Versus what they play now, this is harder. First, they will play all the top teams in the PAC every year, other than Utah. Then they pick up a top 4 of tOSU, UM, Wisky, and PSU which are teams as good if not better than the top teams in the PAC. They haven't won the PAC in a while, so I can't see that this gets any easier.

To compare to the SEC we can start with the idea that a team not Bama nor UGA would pick up either Bama or UGA each year. Then they would get a combo of half of Texas, ATM, OU, AU, UF, and LSU each year. Throw in some middling schools like Ole Miss, Kentucky, Arky, and USCjr and you can see that would be way tougher depending on which teams are up or down.
 
Deep Creek said:
Conference nut swingers are not objective. You claiming to be objective is beginning to look like OD is also objective.
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If you can make an actual argument that Stanford, Arizona St., etc have been on the level of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, and Minnesota in recent year, be my guest. I've given data points (objective) while you've just hurled insults, so...
 
Deep Creek said:
You really believe Cincy would have a better record playing the same schedule Florida’s that Florida does? smdh
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In recent years, I'm not sure who would've beaten Cincy in the SEC that Florida has beaten. Any examples or are you just gonna keep giving your unfounded opinion?
 
Deep Creek said:
No I’m not. I’m taking the top two out of the big and saying the conferences are about the same after that.
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So now you're including the 4 schools that are going to the B1G as being part of the Pac-12? Before you weren't, and obviously that changes the entire discussion.
 
Across The Field said:
If you can make an actual argument that Stanford, Arizona St., etc have been on the level of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, and Minnesota in recent year, be my guest. I've given data points (objective) while you've just hurled insults, so...
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You ain’t objective in the least. You cherry pick certain data that supports your preconceived belief to begin with. Sounds like a bunch of politicians. Skinner’s Constant and Flanigan’s Finagleing Factor.
 
Across The Field said:
In recent years, I'm not sure who would've beaten Cincy in the SEC that Florida has beaten. Any examples or are you just gonna keep giving your unfounded opinion?
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Dodging the question. Florida’s ENTIRE schedule. Not ONE opponent.
 
What the hell am I doing defending the PAC? They won’t even have a conference after next year?
 
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