Pacific American Conference 18

There is no automatic status
I think it’d be tough too but honestly I’m not sure what else can be done? Stanford/Cal likely wanting academic minded Rice and others that suit that profile isn’t helping shit for an A status ether.
 
I think it’d be tough too but honestly I’m not sure what else can be done? Stanford/Cal likely wanting academic minded Rice and others that suit that profile isn’t helping shit for an A status ether.
No i mean there is no such thing as an automatic status for the cfp. 0 conferences have an automatic status
 
No i mean there is no such thing as an automatic status for the cfp. 0 conferences have an automatic status
Huh? When this thing goes to 12 isn’t there 6 conference champions that get auto bids?
 
Huh? When this thing goes to 12 isn’t there 6 conference champions that get auto bids?
the 6 highest ranked conference champions. among any and all conferences. the same condition applies to the SEC as it does to the MAC. be among the 6 highest ranked conference champions to get a spot in the CFP.
as for keeping some sort of auto status that makes no sense to me.
why would these teams that have access while in the PAC, MWC and AAC while playing with the lower tier teams such as Colorado, New Mexico, Temple and such suddenly lose that access by playing each other? are you suggesting that the powers that be would say that a champion from Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, WSU, Boise State, SDSU, UNLV, Tulane, SMU, Fresno State, Colorado State, Nevada couldnt have the potential to ranked among the top 6 champions any more than CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or the conference they came from?
That if Boise State won the MWC and was the 6th highest ranked champion they would be worthy but from this conference they woulndt?
 
the 6 highest ranked conference champions. among any and all conferences. the same condition applies to the SEC as it does to the MAC. be among the 6 highest ranked conference champions to get a spot in the CFP.
as for keeping some sort of auto status that makes no sense to me.
why would these teams that have access while in the PAC, MWC and AAC while playing with the lower tier teams such as Colorado, New Mexico, Temple and such suddenly lose that access by playing each other? are you suggesting that the powers that be would say that a champion from Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, WSU, Boise State, SDSU, UNLV, Tulane, SMU, Fresno State, Colorado State, Nevada couldnt have the potential to ranked among the top 6 champions any more than CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or the conference they came from?
That if Boise State won the MWC and was the 6th highest ranked champion they would be worthy but from this conference they woulndt?
Technically, you are correct. Where I believe you are off is that the 6 number will change to 5. The "6th highest ranked Conf Champs" was a genius way to give AQ to the P5, with at least 1 AQ for the G5. It did allow for the odd year where 2 G5 Conf Champs could be rated higher than 1 of the P5. It happened only in 2020, and ironically it was the PAC that would have been the P5 champ left out. But, that was also the COVID year so it really doesn't count.

What I am reading, and it makes sense, is that you are now down to a P4 and a G6. The P4, especially the P2, won't allow a second AQ to go to the G6. They will modify the language starting in 2026 to be the "top 5 conference champs." They might even try it for 2024 and 2025, but the contract requires that all conferences agree to changes.

The real loser in all this is the Rose Bowl. They had already been pushed aside by the CFP. Now that the PAC will be gone, they are truly fucked.
 
Technically, you are correct. Where I believe you are off is that the 6 number will change to 5. The "6th highest ranked Conf Champs" was a genius way to give AQ to the P5, with at least 1 AQ for the G5. It did allow for the odd year where 2 G5 Conf Champs could be rated higher than 1 of the P5. It happened only in 2020, and ironically it was the PAC that would have been the P5 champ left out. But, that was also the COVID year so it really doesn't count.

What I am reading, and it makes sense, is that you are now down to a P4 and a G6. The P4, especially the P2, won't allow a second AQ to go to the G6. They will modify the language starting in 2026 to be the "top 5 conference champs." They might even try it for 2024 and 2025, but the contract requires that all conferences agree to changes.

The real loser in all this is the Rose Bowl. They had already been pushed aside by the CFP. Now that the PAC will be gone, they are truly fucked.
And while that might happen and likely would that still doesnt mean the Pac x would lose access and that doesnt mean that there is any kind of auto bid.
While the pac champ would have been the only one who missed during cfp acc and big ten also had bcs years where theirs would have missed.
 
the 6 highest ranked conference champions. among any and all conferences. the same condition applies to the SEC as it does to the MAC. be among the 6 highest ranked conference champions to get a spot in the CFP.
as for keeping some sort of auto status that makes no sense to me.
why would these teams that have access while in the PAC, MWC and AAC while playing with the lower tier teams such as Colorado, New Mexico, Temple and such suddenly lose that access by playing each other? are you suggesting that the powers that be would say that a champion from Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, WSU, Boise State, SDSU, UNLV, Tulane, SMU, Fresno State, Colorado State, Nevada couldnt have the potential to ranked among the top 6 champions any more than CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or the conference they came from?
That if Boise State won the MWC and was the 6th highest ranked champion they would be worthy but from this conference they woulndt?
Let’s make this easy for you Dave, teams Are selected by a comittee ie people. There will be inherent bias when selecting. We can pretend power conference champs won’t majority of the time be given the auto bids but we’d be wrong. The PAC right now is considered a POWER conference. In 2025 they likely aren’t. Sure they’ll have a “chance” to get an auto bid, but it’s much more likely they’d be weighed on a similar scale (given they lost almost everybody) as the MACs, AAC and CUSA of the world then they would of a Power conference in my scenario.

And they are auto bids, no matter how much you want to pretend they aren’t.
 
The Power 2 needs to have their own playoff and the wimpy eight have their own. That way the Power 2 doesn’t have to worry about appeasing anyone.
 
And while that might happen and likely would that still doesnt mean the Pac x would lose access and that doesnt mean that there is any kind of auto bid.
While the pac champ would have been the only one who missed during cfp acc and big ten also had bcs years where theirs would have missed.
Count on that happening. The PAC was the worst conference in the CFP era before they lost all their good teams. They are no longer considered P5 starting in 2024. They will absolutely be treated like a G conference - their contract will reflect that, and their place in the pecking order will reflect that. Again, the G6 should have their own championship. That's how to make money.

There are auto-bids, I can't see how you don't see that. It's in the language. The top 6 conference champs are automatically in. That's an auto-bid even if you are to stubborn to admit it.
 
The Power 2 needs to have their own playoff and the wimpy eight have their own. That way the Power 2 doesn’t have to worry about appeasing anyone.
What's your position on a G6 playoff? I've always thought that made the most sense. You would make some seriously good money. And your team could play for championships.
 
Count on that happening. The PAC was the worst conference in the CFP era before they lost all their good teams. They are no longer considered P5 starting in 2024. They will absolutely be treated like a G conference - their contract will reflect that, and their place in the pecking order will reflect that. Again, the G6 should have their own championship. That's how to make money.

There are auto-bids, I can't see how you don't see that. It's in the language. The top 6 conference champs are automatically in. That's an auto-bid even if you are to stubborn to admit it.
But they arent conference assigned autobids.
ralphie called to question if the Pac x would lose that access. the Pac no more has an auto bid as any other conference. it isnt the Pacs auto bid or the Big tens auto bid or CUSA's auto bid. its the top 6 or 5 ranked conference champions.
Will the SEC and Big ten Champion get in every year? year pretty much unless something like what happened to the Big Ten in 2012.
is the change to 5 likely to happen? yes. would I count out an undefeated champion from the proposed Pac x being ranked higher than a 1 loss ACC or Big XII champion? no. i dont even know if i would count them out from being ranked higher than an undefeated one not named Clemson of Florida State.
 
But they arent conference assigned autobids.
ralphie called to question if the Pac x would lose that access. the Pac no more has an auto bid as any other conference. it isnt the Pacs auto bid or the Big tens auto bid or CUSA's auto bid. its the top 6 or 5 ranked conference champions.
Will the SEC and Big ten Champion get in every year? year pretty much unless something like what happened to the Big Ten in 2012.
is the change to 5 likely to happen? yes. would I count out an undefeated champion from the proposed Pac x being ranked higher than a 1 loss ACC or Big XII champion? no. i dont even know if i would count them out from being ranked higher than an undefeated one not named Clemson of Florida State.
That doesn't make them non-auto bids. It just assigns them differently, and actually quite geniusly. But they are auto - if you win your conference in the P4, you will be in unless you suck. I've stated that technically you are correct. But practically, you aren't. Any P4 CC will be in unless there are two G6 CCs ranked higher than them. It's happened one time and that was during the Covid season, to a conference that no longer exists.

The B1G would have gotten in in 2012. There were not 2 ranked G5 teams better than the B1G champ, Wisconsin - BSU was ranked 24th. Now, do we want a 5-loss CC to get a bye? No. And thanks to the way the conferences are set up now without divisions that won't happen again. But, the way rankings work, the PAC will be treated like a G conference. Their revenues are going to be in the 5-10 million dollar range at best. Recruits won't want to go and play at Cal or Stanford if they can play in a P4 conference. The quality of their schedule will be G conference level as we know it today. Might they get in being the 5th AQ? Sure, there will have to be one of those, and it may most likely come from the new PAC, but it is highly unlikely they would displace the champion from a P4.
 
That doesn't make them non-auto bids. It just assigns them differently, and actually quite geniusly. But they are auto - if you win your conference in the P4, you will be in unless you suck. I've stated that technically you are correct. But practically, you aren't. Any P4 CC will be in unless there are two G6 CCs ranked higher than them. It's happened one time and that was during the Covid season, to a conference that no longer exists.

The B1G would have gotten in in 2012. There were not 2 ranked G5 teams better than the B1G champ, Wisconsin - BSU was ranked 24th. Now, do we want a 5-loss CC to get a bye? No. And thanks to the way the conferences are set up now without divisions that won't happen again. But, the way rankings work, the PAC will be treated like a G conference. Their revenues are going to be in the 5-10 million dollar range at best. Recruits won't want to go and play at Cal or Stanford if they can play in a P4 conference. The quality of their schedule will be G conference level as we know it today. Might they get in being the 5th AQ? Sure, there will have to be one of those, and it may most likely come from the new PAC, but it is highly unlikely they would displace the champion from a P4.
Final BCS rankings that year going to bowls
2. Alabama
5. Kansas State
6. Stanford
12. Florida State
15. Northern Illinois
19. Boise State
21. Louisville
22. Utah State
unranked Wisconsin

AP
2. Alabama
7. Kansas State
8. Stanford
13. FSU
16. Northern Illinois
18. Utah State
20. Boise State
22. Louisville
Unranked Wisconsin
 
What's your position on a G6 playoff? I've always thought that made the most sense. You would make some seriously good money. And your team could play for championships.
I've been for having separate playoffs all along.

I doubt a G6 playoff would make anywhere near the money the CFP/New Year's 6 has been willing to pay them to keep them happy. The audience for such a playoff would only be those of us that are CFB addicts. I doubt they'd draw the occasional viewers like the big names do. But, I think it would be much more entertaining than the CFP has been. I don't think there would be near as many blowouts as we've seen in the CFP semifinals. But, what the hell do I know.
 
But they arent conference assigned autobids.
ralphie called to question if the Pac x would lose that access. the Pac no more has an auto bid as any other conference. it isnt the Pacs auto bid or the Big tens auto bid or CUSA's auto bid. its the top 6 or 5 ranked conference champions.
Will the SEC and Big ten Champion get in every year? year pretty much unless something like what happened to the Big Ten in 2012.
is the change to 5 likely to happen? yes. would I count out an undefeated champion from the proposed Pac x being ranked higher than a 1 loss ACC or Big XII champion? no. i dont even know if i would count them out from being ranked higher than an undefeated one not named Clemson of Florida State.
Dude, pretending the PAC In 2025 would get the same benefit of the doubt (wether it’s the scenario in the OP or the one I laid out) as the PAC in 2023 is ludicrous and you know it. When the auto bids get cut to 5 and after the Power conference champs get there auto bid it’s basically 6 other conference champions for 1 spot automatically. Sure the other conference champs can get an at large but that’s a Very large chance rather then having that automatically.
 
Awwww...........



So many people screwed up in this thing:

- The Alliance - the ACC and the PAC could have locked down a CFP contract for about 6-10 years. Instead, it gets redone in 2026 with the PAC gone, and then B1G and SEC in control.

- The Rose Bowl acted like dickheads last year and had to have the CFP basically say get on board or you are gone. They finally agree to 12 teams in 2024 and 2025. Now one of their 100+ year partners is gone, and the Rose Bowl has no leverage.

- The PAC could have had $30 million, plus CFP money starting in 2026. They are gone.

- The B12 offered to merge and the PAC/USC screwed the pooch on that.

On and on. LOL.
 
Final BCS rankings that year going to bowls
2. Alabama
5. Kansas State
6. Stanford
12. Florida State
15. Northern Illinois
19. Boise State
21. Louisville
22. Utah State
unranked Wisconsin

AP
2. Alabama
7. Kansas State
8. Stanford
13. FSU
16. Northern Illinois
18. Utah State
20. Boise State
22. Louisville
Unranked Wisconsin
I looked it up somewhere and saw they were top 20, but I'll take your post as being correct. You found the 1 year where this was a problem, but that can never happen again because there aren't divisions anymore. So my point stands. Practically speaking, there are AQs.
 
I looked it up somewhere and saw they were top 20, but I'll take your post as being correct. You found the 1 year where this was a problem, but that can never happen again because there aren't divisions anymore. So my point stands. Practically speaking, there are AQs.
there was also the 2020 Pac like you said earlier.
there was ACC in 2008 1. Oklahoma, 2. Florida, 5. USC, 6. Utah, 8. Penn State, 9. Boise State, 12. Cincinnati 19. VT

But yes you are correct with the elimination of divisions it is less likely
 
there was also the 2020 Pac like you said earlier.
there was ACC in 2008 1. Oklahoma, 2. Florida, 5. USC, 6. Utah, 8. Penn State, 9. Boise State, 12. Cincinnati 19. VT

But yes you are correct with the elimination of divisions it is less likely
Look, I think this is a feature not a bug. It's why it was a genius move by the committee that came up with the CFP. Don't say the P5, at the time, and 1 G5. Say top 6. That gives incentive to the G5 schools to invest and know they might have 2 slots, and to the P5 schools that know they better get their conference aligned right or they might miss out.
 
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