More Michigan Cheating

[Across The Field]

No they don't. And sign stealing is legal. If they believe Michigan got their signs, like they could have through legal means, they are free to change them and most teams have a process in place to quickly alter them. Or use a fucking wrist band. They're $20 on amazon.


B10 coaches, especially the most outspoken, have a clear reason (both competitively and financially) to try and harm Michigan here. If Michigan gets blocked from the B10 title game, for instance, OSU and Ryan day are basically locked into financial incentives worth millions collectively. Of course they're going to lean into this.

Here's where you idiots show just how stupid you are. Why the hell would B1G teams try and block michigan to benefit Ohio State? Also Day hasn't come out and said shit about this, so you're flatout making things up about him. Why weren't B1G coaches trying to do this to OSU during their 20 year stretch of being by far the most dominant team in the conference? Why try and ruin michigan?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Sign stealing is legal. What michigan did isn't. Also You've gotta be kidding me with that 90%/92% bullshit. No chance teams are able to steal 90% of signs, not even remotely close. Now, if they did what michigan could, sure. Otherwise, absolutely 0 shot.

Again, it doesn't change the fact that michigan had to do what they did in order to win. If not, they wouldn't have done it, and it clearly gave them a competitive advantage. They couldn't win on an equal playing field. Nobody else was doing what they did because it destroys the integrity of the game (especially if the stolen OSU practice footage rumor ends up being true).

We don't know that. The NCAA rules do not explicitly ban 3rd parties, hard stop. The NCAA could rule that they do, they could rule that they don't.

I have no idea what the success rate of sign stealing is in football. I have no idea what the base layer is. I have no idea how successful michigan was at using their information to steal signs above what was normal.

To suggest we 1. Know these things and 2. it was the REASON michigan won games is absurd. We also don't know, for sure, if those things they did to gather the information were illegal until the NCAA issues any kind of response.

What will almost certainly happen in the next few years is an NCAA rule making communication devices legal in helmets, thus eliminating this all together.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Here's where you idiots show just how stupid you are. Why the hell would B1G teams try and block michigan to benefit Ohio State? Also Day hasn't come out and said shit about this, so you're flatout making things up about him. Why weren't B1G coaches trying to do this to OSU during their 20 year stretch of being by far the most dominant team in the conference? Why try and ruin michigan?

We have no idea "what" teams are having an issue with this. So far the ones we absolutely do know are Michigan State (rival) and Purdue (next game). Gee, I wonder what their motivation might be?

 

[stakesarehigh]

The coaches survey is nonsense. It doesn't say where the teams were surveyed, outside a couple negative examples, and only suggests if ALL allegations are true (which they almost certainly aren't). We can agree that if Stallions did something illegal Michigan should be punished, which is essentially what that survey says. I don't disagree. But I suspect we'll dramatically disagree on what that punishment is (and I'd assume the same is true of that majority surveyed as well).

you're flailing

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

you're flailing

I'm not. Hell, even Urban Meyer is like -- maybe we should pump the breaks on this a bit.

Urban Meyer skeptical of Michigan sign-stealing allegations: 'Hard for me to believe'

The former Ohio State coach speaks on Michigan's alleged illegal sign-stealing for the first time.

247sports.com

This has been sensationalized not because of how serious it is, but because of how good of a story it would be if true. A guy dressing up in disguise, sign stealing espionage. It generated a lot of clicks for ESPN, that's for certain.

 

[stakesarehigh]

Yeah sure, illegally stealing all those signs had no impact on the game whatsoever.

It's hilarious that guys like MnB are caught between these two opposite positions of "it didn't give them an advantage" to "well it sounds like michigan just exposed a loophole to gain an advantage". At any rate, all it boils down to is that they couldn't get the job done on the field by just lining up and going at it. They had to do things no other team was in order to gain advantages no other team had to be able to finally win. What a pathetic program.

more and more will come out like this

 

[Voltaire]

lol, no it isn't. You're telling me that teams both simultaneously knew Michigan was doing this for 3 years but also had absolutely no preparations for teams knowing signs (beyond just Michigan because sign stealing is, again, legal)? This is pandering to the media perspective.

If this were a legal case, it would have to be a civil case because @MAIZEandBLUE09, @NewPhoneWhoDis and @Voltaire (me) would vote not guilty in a criminal case. A civil case would prevail. An injunctive order would be in place to make Michigan unable to watch college football games (because it appears to be illegal). All opponents in 2023 would be give one scholarship (from Michigan's bank) for two years. Except TCU (no damages, but the next time they have to play Georgia, Michigan will play Georgia instead of TCU. Michigan will get a loss - if they lose, and TCU will get a win - if Michigan wins), Nebraska (they victimized themselves by becoming unapproachable and not realizing what was going on) and Michigan State (if Tucker had time to jack off on the phone, he had time to change the signs). Purdue, Penn State, Maryland and ohio state would get nothing because they have been warned.

 

[stakesarehigh]

I'm not. Hell, even Urban Meyer is like -- maybe we should pump the breaks on this a bit.

Urban Meyer skeptical of Michigan sign-stealing allegations: 'Hard for me to believe'

The former Ohio State coach speaks on Michigan's alleged illegal sign-stealing for the first time.

247sports.com

This has been sensationalized not because of how serious it is, but because of how good of a story it would be if true. A guy dressing up in disguise, sign stealing espionage. It generated a lot of clicks for ESPN, that's for certain.

you cherry pick while others are using sample sizes of 50 plus. Ever take statistics?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

more and more will come out like this

It's been two weeks, this is digging the bottom of the barrel. "LOOK I found a hired analyst on the sideline!!!" videos are....quite something.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

you cherry pick while others are using sample sizes of 50 plus. Ever take statistics?

I think the source of this should be taken seriously. Urban had every chance to dunk the shit out of us, and the fact that he didn't should tell you to pump the brakes a bit. Thamel and Co. just want clicks, and they got that.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Oh, and BTW that "Petitti meeting with Michigan's president in Ann Arbor" today is just another example of this media hit narrative.

First, it should be noted that Petitti was already scheduled to come to town for the 2023 Big Ten Field Hockey Tournament

lmfao

 

[Across The Field]

We have no idea "what" teams are having an issue with this. So far the ones we absolutely do know are Michigan State (rival) and Purdue (next game). Gee, I wonder what their motivation might be?

My guess is not playing a team that has a decided advantage because they did things that no other team is doing, loophole or not. Again, michigan couldn't line up and play and win so they had to resort to this. Even calling it a "loophole" doesn't change anything. I'd be embarrassed if my team had to resort to this and bring on an NCAA investigation because we weren't good enough to just win straight up.

 

[fishinabarrel]

He can't take major action without an investigative board, his limited action is that -- limited. He can assign a fine and a suspension without the board involvement. But, again, doing much here will likely get him sued without significantly more evidence than suspicion or ticket purchases (something that may not even be illegal by NCAA rule).

Where did you see it has to be an investigative board? I read it has to get approval from the executive board of Presidents. Now I don't know if that includes all of them or just a select few but if all the coaches are calling for it, all the ADs are calling for it, I don't see the Presidents going the other direction

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

My guess is not playing a team that has a decided advantage because they did things that no other team is doing, loophole or not. Again, michigan couldn't line up and play and win so they had to resort to this. Even calling it a "loophole" doesn't change anything. I'd be embarrassed if my team had to resort to this and bring on an NCAA investigation because we weren't good enough to just win straight up.

Sign stealing is part of the game, and the only reason it hasn't changed yet is because coaches like to do it.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Where did you see it has to be an investigative board? I read it has to get approval from the executive board of Presidents. Now I don't know if that includes all of them or just a select few but if all the coaches are calling for it, all the ADs are calling for it, I don't see the Presidents going the other direction

More specifically, it has to be a vote from all B10 presidents to go any further than a $10k fine and 2 game suspension.

 

[fishinabarrel]

More specifically, it has to be a vote from all B10 presidents to go any further than a $10k fine and 2 game suspension.

Exactly, that's what I mean by Petitti contacting the Presidents beforehand if he wanted to go heavier. If he has enough of them say yes, he would go forward with it. He isn't going to announce a heavier penalty without already knowing how the Presidents would vote

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Exactly, that's what I mean by Petitti contacting the Presidents beforehand if he wanted to go heavier. If he has enough of them say yes, he would go forward with it. He isn't going to announce a heavier penalty without already knowing how the Presidents would vote

Not true at all, because even if he had approval to go forward he would have to weigh the cost of that (specifically noting already that litigation would be likely from Michigan).

 

[fishinabarrel]

Not true at all, because even if he had approval to go forward he would have to weigh the cost of that (specifically noting already that litigation would be likely from Michigan).

Michigan isn't going to sue anyone until they have more info too.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Michigan isn't going to sue anyone until they have more info too.

They'd absolutely sue for financial compensation and for a court to block the action until the NCAA investigation was complete.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Michigan isn't going to sue anyone until they have more info too.

Lol them thinking Michigan is going to just sue everyone all willy nilly is hilarious.

My favorite is them talking about "SUING THE MEDIA AND MAKING THEM NAME THEY ANONYMOUS SOURCES!" good fucking luck with that.