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And you'd have to be stupid to believe this.

Notebly, the NCAA isn't an entity with the power to "grant immunity". They have very little power over players -- most of which can leave at any point to the NFL. They have no policing authority what so ever. So if a crime was committed, the NCAA would absolutely not be able to grant immunity.

They aren't talking about immunity from a crime but from things like suspensions and the like. Probably a no questions asked transfer as well
 
They aren't talking about immunity from a crime but from things like suspensions and the like. Probably a no questions asked transfer as well
The transfer portal opens in like a month. And what suspensions does the NCAA hand out to players? Have they ever suspended individual players? They have very little power over individual players, as their constant court losses prove.
 
The transfer portal opens in like a month. And what suspensions does the NCAA hand out to players? Have they ever suspended individual players? They have very little power over individual players, as their constant court losses prove.

Are you serious?
 
Are you serious?
Yes. Have they ever suspended individual players on a football team? I can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe I'm missing an obvious one? They've certainly investigated financials of individuals (cam newton/Bush) but those guys jumped to the NFL anyway. By the time an NCAA investigation runs its course, the players are typically gone.
 
Yes. Have they ever suspended individual players on a football team? I can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe I'm missing an obvious one? They've certainly investigated financials of individuals (cam newton/Bush) but those guys jumped to the NFL anyway. By the time an NCAA investigation runs its course, the players are typically gone.
LMGTFY

 
Yes. Have they ever suspended individual players on a football team? I can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe I'm missing an obvious one? They've certainly investigated financials of individuals (cam newton/Bush) but those guys jumped to the NFL anyway. By the time an NCAA investigation runs its course, the players are typically gone.

Yes. Tons of players have been suspended by the NCAA for things ranging from impermissible benefits (probably all of those were before NIL) to banned substances, to cheating scandals. A lot of time the words declared ineligible are used instead of the word suspended.

All those Iowa players were suspended just this season for gambling. That suspension came from the NCAA, I believe, and if it didn't it's just bc the schools did it first and made it where the NCAA didn't have to
 
LMGTFY

Fair enough, but it's not a very common practice. And for a team like Michigan with a ton of upperclassman, I'm not sure what the NCAA would really do/could really do at this point. Again, even if a violation was accused by the NCAA, the 90 day response window puts MIchigan past this season.
Yes. Tons of players have been suspended by the NCAA for things ranging from impermissible benefits (probably all of those were before NIL) to banned substances, to cheating scandals. A lot of time the words declared ineligible are used instead of the word suspended
Banned substances, yes. IMO That's a bit of a different category. They regularly test for that stuff and the rule is pretty clear that it results in an instant ban. I don't think that would really apply here.

All that to say, I think that twitter post is bogus and a guy looking for interactions. The wording "immunity" seems stupid in this case.

Again, lets go back to the recent Kansas and Tennessee violations to look at how the NCAA reacts now days. Two pretty serious violations and resulted in a pretty minimal punishment in both cases. Michigan isn't getting hammered for a rogue employee going to games. Even the B10 punishment was muted; allowing Harbaugh to coach inbetween games.
 
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Fair enough, but it's not a very common practice. And for a team like Michigan with a ton of upperclassman, I'm not sure what the NCAA would really do/could really do at this point. Again, even if a violation was accused by the NCAA, the 90 day response window puts MIchigan past this season.

Banned substances, yes. IMO That's a bit of a different category. They regularly test for that stuff and the rule is pretty clear that it results in an instant ban. I don't think that would really apply here.

All that to say, I think that twitter post is bogus and a guy looking for interactions. The wording "immunity" seems stupid in this case.

Again, lets go back to the recent Kansas and Tennessee violations to look at how the NCAA reacts now days. Two pretty serious violations and resulted in a pretty minimal punishment in both cases. Michigan isn't getting hammered for a rogue employee going to games. Even the B10 punishment was muted; allowing Harbaugh to coach inbetween games.
You won't, but some would argue that this mess Michigan finds themselves in isn't very common either.
 
You won't, but some would argue that this mess Michigan finds themselves in isn't very common either.
It isn't. I think Connor Stallions has proven to be a unique individual. But I think many have rushed to judge here but there's very little precedent to go off of. Like I keep saying, we don't even know if the NCAA will view this as a flat out rule violation or an attempt to just scoot around rules. We know nothing. Most of the information known is based on assumption and not conclusive fact. Michigan seems very confident in their response to the NCAA, which I think is why they're so upset at the B10.
 
Michigan took care of the problem. Stallions has been fired.
Really? Thats all it takes is to fire the guy who was cheating for MI the last couple years? You keep telling yourself that.
 
Really? Thats all it takes is to fire the guy who was cheating for MI the last couple years? You keep telling yourself that.
1. We don't know if he was actually breaking rules.
2. The rule, if broken, was simply a shortcut for collecting data all other teams have
3. The rule itself is a financial one, one that exists because other teams couldn't afford scouts (obviously silly in today's CFB market).

I could see, if the NCAA rules a rule was broken, Michigan receiving a fine as well and Stallions getting a show/cause.
 
1. We don't know if he was actually breaking rules.
2. The rule, if broken, was simply a shortcut for collecting data all other teams have
3. The rule itself is a financial one, one that exists because other teams couldn't afford scouts (obviously silly in today's CFB market).

I could see, if the NCAA rules a rule was broken, Michigan receiving a fine as well and Stallions getting a show/cause.
1. We do. The cult at MI doesnt.
2. More excuses for cheating.
3. More excuses for cheating.

Harbs is responsible for what his "low level" staffer do under his watch.
 
1. We do. The cult at MI doesnt.
2. More excuses for cheating.
3. More excuses for cheating.

Harbs is responsible for what his "low level" staffer do under his watch.
You don't actually know that. The NCAA has yet to issue a notice of allegations. We have no idea what this involves or what rules may have been broken, and we have no idea how the NCAA will classify them.
 
We have no idea what this involves

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1. We don't know if he was actually breaking rules.
2. The rule, if broken, was simply a shortcut for collecting data all other teams have
3. The rule itself is a financial one, one that exists because other teams couldn't afford scouts (obviously silly in today's CFB market).

I could see, if the NCAA rules a rule was broken, Michigan receiving a fine as well and Stallions getting a show/cause.
I know you don't care to hear it, but this is just a snippet of the document sent to Michigan regarding the rule-breaking - note the characterization of who provided the proof to the Big 10 and to Michigan . . .

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I know you don't care to hear it, but this is just a snippet of the document sent to Michigan regarding the rule-breaking - note the characterization of who provided the proof to the Big 10 and to Michigan . . .

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Yup. An in person scouting scheme, one that we don't know if it's a technicality that escapes the letter of the NCAA rule or not. What that doesn't say is anything about a violation of NCAA rules. What it does say, and what the B10 is arguing, is that Michigan was unsportsmanlike in their attempts to either break or scoot those rules.
 
Yup. An in person scouting scheme, one that we don't know if it's a technicality that escapes the letter of the NCAA rule or not. What that doesn't say is anything about a violation of NCAA rules. What it does say, and what the B10 is arguing, is that Michigan was unsportsmanlike in their attempts to either break or scoot those rules.
You cannot possibly be this dense. If the NCAA didn't think it broke the rules, why would they even mention it to the Big 10?
 
You cannot possibly be this dense. If the NCAA didn't think it broke the rules, why would they even mention it to the Big 10?
A number of reasons. Even if it's not a direct violation, it's clearly a practice they'd want to nip in the bud. So by mentioning it to the B10 they could eliminate all impact moving forward from that point. So no matter if it is or isn't a direct violation, they can investigate and go through the process without worrying about the implications to the season.

If you remember back, the NCAA had a similar response to Harbaugh's use of camps in other states as a recruiting tool.
 
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