UM folds ... accepts punishment

[WhosYourDawggy]

You don't seem to.

Break it down. Here's the definition of circumstantial evidence, which you claim this is.



What about an analyst being hired to steal signs being on the field helping coaches steals signs, leads you to reasonably infer that the other coaches knew he stole them through in person scouting?

You can't reasonably infer that. This is not evidence of that. You are wrong.

One of us has tried dozens of lawsuits, the other hasn't. One of us just quoted from Wiki. Stay in your lane on this.

The trier of fact would be allowed to make a reasonable inference that Stalions standing right next to the OC, DC, and HC and relaying detailed signal information means that they had knowledge, or reasonably should have had knowledge, that he was providing information that could only have been obtained in violation of the rules.

Again, stay in your lane on this. You were 100% wrong on our discussion about law firms last week, you are wrong about this.

 

[Across The Field]

MnB is arguing that Stallions did nothing wrong. You won't hear that from me. He also thinks nothing will come from this and you won't hear that from me either. I e had to tell MnB a dozen times that it doesn't matter if Harbaugh didn't know -- he is still responsible, as they removed plausible deniability as an excuse for a HC in January this year.

That being said -- it is a month into the Inveatigation. Name me another coach or staff member that has been tied into it?

Michigan would be suspending or even firing the coaches, as they did with Stallions and now Partridge.

I said this to you before - the Washington Post article confirmed that Stallions' hard drive of information was accessed by other coaches and assistants on the team. They didn't name names, but they did confirm that fact. Evidently that was true, Partridge is just the first domino to fall. Clink suspiciously deleting his social media doesn't bode well. Stallions has said he was also extremely close with Jay Harbaugh. No reason at all to not think there will be even more to come.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Lots of Naval Academy grads end up in the Marines.

He was given a medical disability and retired.

I didn't know that. Isn't the Naval Academy part of the Navy? Or is it normal to switch between military branches?

Excuse my ignorance on the topic -- My dad, my brother, my uncle, my grandpa were all marines. That is the extent of my military knowledge.

 

[Batman]

"We didn't do nothin' wrong!"

"This is war. Lawsuit filed!

"They can't prove we did nothin' wrong!"


"Low level lone-wolf analyst! That's it"



"Lawsuit retracted. Punishment accepted."




"Low level analyst, one coach & one booster. I think it ends here. Trust me."

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I was actually talking about the "we have academic standards" aspect of that not the "see, we don't pay players" angle.

Even moreso. We regularly reject committed recruits because of this. It sucks balls.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I said this to you before - the Washington Post article confirmed that Stallions' hard drive of information was accessed by other coaches and assistants on the team. They didn't name names, but they did confirm that fact. Evidently that was true, Partridge is just the first domino to fall. Clink suspiciously deleting his social media doesn't bode well. Stallions has said he was also extremely close with Jay Harbaugh. No reason at all to not think there will be even more to come.

Funny how there isn't a national headline plastered all over ESPN and every major sports website.
Show me an article on CBS sports, ESPN, Etc stating your comment, as THAT would be the biggest evidence in this case if true.

Post every link you have to this hard drive. I will tell you this, IF it were true, you'd have multiple coaches fired long ago.

Yet a month in and you have heard zero about any other coaches.

 

[fishinabarrel]

I didn't know that. Isn't the Naval Academy part of the Navy? Or is it normal to switch between military branches?

Excuse my ignorance on the topic -- My dad, my brother, my uncle, my grandpa were all marines. That is the extent of my military knowledge.

That was most likely his path to becoming an officer. Can't become an officer without the college degree

 

[Across The Field]

Funny how there isn't a national headline plastered all over ESPN and every major sports website.
Show me an article on CBS sports, ESPN, Etc stating your comment, as THAT would be the biggest evidence in this case if true.

Post every link you have to this hard drive. I will tell you this, IF it were true, you'd have multiple coaches fired long ago.

Yet a month in and you have heard zero about any other coaches.

Dude I've posted it on this board multiple times and highlighted the section regarding Stallions' hard drive. Somehow you're the only person who doesn't know that information was already released. Go ahead and look up the article and read it, since you clearly haven't already.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Dude I've posted it on this board multiple times and highlighted the section regarding Stallions' hard drive. Somehow you're the only person who doesn't know that information was already released. Go ahead and look up the article and read it, since you clearly haven't already.

Post the links from all the major sports sites. It should be easy to find. It'd be the biggest story of this investigation and one of the biggest talking points.

 

[osubuckeye89]

So the LBer coach was meeting with players and instructing them on how to answer NCAA questions? If they didn’t do anything wrong and “no one knew” why is there a need for coaching on how to answer questions?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That was most likely his path to becoming an officer. Can't become an officer without the college degree

Really? Do you have to go to one of the military academies or can the degree be a normal bachelor's degree?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

One of us has tried dozens of lawsuits, the other hasn't. One of us just quoted from Wiki. Stay in your lane on this.

The trier of fact would be allowed to make a reasonable inference that Stalions standing right next to the OC, DC, and HC and relaying detailed signal information means that they had knowledge, or reasonably should have had knowledge, that he was providing information that could only have been obtained in violation of the rules.

Again, stay in your lane on this. You were 100% wrong on our discussion about law firms last week, you are wrong about this.

Right. Which leads me to conclude that you're either a bad lawyer or you're being purposefully disingenuous. Because that's absolutely not circumstantial evidence for the claim we're talking about. Sign stealing is legal. There's nothing about the interactions on the sideline that are either abnormal for any other team, or offering up information that 1. Wasn't expected of him to collect and 2. Irregular compared to the types of information we've already seen other teams have.

IE that means that there's no reasonable leap to make here. There's an unreasonable leap to make, and you (and others) have sure made it.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

So the LBer coach was meeting with players and instructing them on how to answer NCAA questions? If they didn’t do anything wrong and “no one knew” why is there a need for coaching on how to answer questions?

GTFOH. I'd love to hear where that came from. I'm sure it is a real reputable source. Let me guess ElevenWarriors

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Correction: michigan loses out on all of the top receivers in the game because they don't want to go to a school that can't develop them. The last 5* WR you got was so good he dropped to the 5th round in the draft. The best WR you've put into the NFL in the last 10+ years is only finally doing well now because he has an OSU QB throwing him the ball and making him look good.

I'm not even talking just receivers. Michigan doesn't, and hasn't, been very successful at getting top 100 talent across the board, even when we're sending kids to the NFL like crazy, because we can't get them into school and/or aren't paying them like other schools (especially when it was illegal). I'm sure there are other factors, but this is a very well documented one.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You also took a guy that had been kicked out of multiple schools (including sec) recently

That's true. But he met the academic standards of the school, which is easier for kids who've already been to college than it is for kids coming out of HS.

 

[fishinabarrel]

Really? Do you have to go to one of the military academies or can the degree be a normal bachelor's degree?

Four year degree is the minimum requirement but doesn't guarantee you a spot. So a military academy is definitely going to up your chances

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

A little off topic....

Its likely a defensive player will look better than he really is when he has a good idea what play the offense is going run.
I think NFL scouts will be taking a 2nd look at how they've rated Michigan defensive players.

Why? Michigan has been pumping out NFL talent like crazy under Harbaugh, and a lot of it is really succesful NFL talent.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Right. Which leads me to conclude that you're either a bad lawyer or you're being purposefully disingenuous. Because that's absolutely not circumstantial evidence for the claim we're talking about. Sign stealing is legal. There's nothing about the interactions on the sideline that are either abnormal for any other team, or offering up information that 1. Wasn't expected of him to collect and 2. Irregular compared to the types of information we've already seen other teams have.

IE that means that there's no reasonable leap to make here. There's an unreasonable leap to make, and you (and others) have sure made it.

I am actually a very good lawyer. The problem is you are talking about things you know nothing about. Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Go back to talking about things you are simply wrong about.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I am actually a very good lawyer. The problem is you are talking about things you know nothing about. Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Go back to talking about things you are simply wrong about.

So you're being disingenuous. Got it. The reasonable leap based on circumstantial evidence is that he was using stolen information through in person scouting to give to coaches during games. The unreasonable leap is that because he was standing by them and giving them this information, that those people knew where it came from. There's in fact no circumstantial evidence to support that claim.

 

[fishinabarrel]

That's true. But he met the academic standards of the school, which is easier for kids who've already been to college than it is for kids coming out of HS.

Honestly I haven't heard of to many high school commits that have been turned away with the academic stuff. Transfers, yes.

The Xavier worthy thing is a little misleading as he was still going to be allowed to enroll at Michigan, just not early enroll