UM folds ... accepts punishment

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Honestly I haven't heard of to many high school commits that have been turned away with the academic stuff. Transfers, yes.

The Xavier worthy thing is a little misleading as he was still going to be allowed to enroll at Michigan, just not early enroll

Happens fairly regularly. That one just hurt more because he turned out to be awesome at Texas the very same year.

Richard, What's Happening?: More Michigan Wolverine Commits Denied Admission​

This is from 2010:

For the third time in less than a month, a Michigan football commit has been denied admission to the university.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Also, sounds like Partridge was let go for...talking to people outside the program or maybe telling people not to cooperate?.....so this may not be anything like it initially sounded

 

[cwerph]

Also, sounds like Partridge was let go for...talking to people outside the program or maybe telling people not to cooperate?.....so this may not be anything like it initially sounded

According to another story I read, he was telling players what to say to the NCAA. The NCAA was on campus this week talking to players, and one of them blabbed about being instructed by Partridge on what to say.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

According to another story I read, he was telling players what to say to the NCAA. The NCAA was on campus this week talking to players, and one of them blabbed about being instructed by Partridge on what to say.

Which is...bad. But also, doesn't seem to indicate that he had any prior knowledge of this situation. Cooperating with the NCAA is our only way out of this. Pissing them off further is bad.

 

[DragonFromTo]

Even moreso. We regularly reject committed recruits because of this. It sucks balls.

Oh, so they have a few black friends and not just one? Now I'm convinced

I'm sure that UM has turned down some athletes for academic reasons. I'm just not that impressed by someone who does the right thing some of the time.

I'm not singling Michigan out here by any means, of course. The entire thing has gotten so backwards that I have no idea what "student athlete" even means anymore.

 

[cwerph]

Which is...bad. But also, doesn't seem to indicate that he had any prior knowledge of this situation. Cooperating with the NCAA is our only way out of this. Pissing them off further is bad.

If they have the goods, you have to cooperate.

If they don't, then by all means, tell them to shove off. No need to bury yourselves the way Ohio State did with Tattoogate.

 

[batchaps4me]

A retired military captain should have plenty of money banked to put down on a house and being military, he could easily get a loan from the VA.

I'm just going off what has been reported about him. I'm guessing he went in at 18, retired at 28. So he got 10 years in. So he qualifies for some benefits and not other. You'd have to ask someone more versed in that though. The first story I read about this back a couple weeks ago -- this was the first line.

Stalions is a retired captain in the United States Marine Corps and is considered a "low-level staffer" at Michigan, but he reportedly is a central part of the NCAA's probe into the football program.

Eligibility for military "retirement" is 20 years.

They're using the wrong terminology here. "Separated" would be the proper terminology.

As long as his discharge was 'honorable', he would certainly qualify for a VA loan which is 100% of the mortgage. i.e. No down payment necessary.

I truly have no idea. Every story describing him says he is a retired USMC captain. The Washington Post even printed a retraction saying he wasn't a retired Naval Captain, but a retired USMC captain.

My brother, who was in the USMC said the same thing you did about 20 years. He said something about early retirement programs they have or temporary retirement, but at that point, I really stopped listening, as he starts talking in abbreviations and letters whenever he talks military.

"Retired" means he'd be getting a pension. You only qualify for a pension at 20 years. Even if he got out on a disability, it wouldn't be "retirement".
It would simply be "separated".

"Active Duty Retirement​

Members who accumulate 20 or more years of active service are eligible for retirement."

Active Duty Retirement

Here is how it generally works with medical retirements and separations: A person's medical records go before a medical board and a disability rating is awarded by the board. 10% means the person is medically separated without retirement. He/she does not get benefits as a retiree. These are generally things like PX privileges, base medical treatment and things like that. He/she will get a separations payment, in my day the formula was base pay times 2, times the number of years in service.

IF the rating is 30%, he/she is listed on the Temporary Disabled Retirement List for three years and has those benefits. In three years you will undergo another medical board.

50% puts you on the Permanent Disabled Retirement List and gives you full retirement benefits permanently. IIRC, you do NOT get retirement pay. You get VA compensation that is not based on rank, military pay or time in service. 100% tops out at a little over $3800/month for a married man/woman.

I didn't know that. Isn't the Naval Academy part of the Navy? Or is it normal to switch between military branches?

The Naval Academy is the Navy's service academy. The Marines are a part of the Department of the Navy and any Annapolis grad has the option of volunteering to be a Marine Officer.

Really? Do you have to go to one of the military academies or can the degree be a normal bachelor's degree?

Beside the Academies, a person can become an officer with a bachelor's and either ROTC or OTC. There are also enlisted to officer programs, and lest we not forget, warrant officer programs as well.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Oh, so they have a few black friends and not just one? Now I'm convinced

I'm sure that UM has turned down some athletes for academic reasons. I'm just not that impressed by someone who does the right thing some of the time.

I'm not singling Michigan out here by any means, of course. The entire thing has gotten so backwards that I have no idea what "student athlete" even means anymore.

The academic thing absolustly holds true. See the article I posted above about 3 recruits in a few week period.

But this is a different era and we're still doing it. Our NIL is only for kids on campus, we are doing absolutely nothing for HS recruits like other schools are.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Which is...bad. But also, doesn't seem to indicate that he had any prior knowledge of this situation. Cooperating with the NCAA is our only way out of this. Pissing them off further is bad.

Harbaugh and his loyal staff mates have already shown they aren’t going to cooperate. IMO it’s getting close to the point I made weeks ago. Warde and Ono will decide to sacrifice Harbaugh and any assistants deemed very involved here to try to lessen the blow and save their own skin.

 

[Red_Alert]

According to another story I read, he was telling players what to say to the NCAA. The NCAA was on campus this week talking to players, and one of them blabbed about being instructed by Partridge on what to say.

Which is...bad. But also, doesn't seem to indicate that he had any prior knowledge of this situation. Cooperating with the NCAA is our only way out of this. Pissing them off further is bad.

LOL

You mean like telling players not to tell the NCAA that he (Partridge) and other coaches were aware of how Stalions was stealing signs?

 

[batchaps4me]

. Warde and Ono will decide to sacrifice Harbaugh and any assistants deemed very involved here to try to lessen the blow and save their own skin.

It is starting like LOIC could end up being involved or at least threatened.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

LOL

You mean like telling players not to tell the NCAA that he (Partridge) and other coaches were aware of how Stalions was stealing signs?

You're making this up. So yeah, if Partridge was fired for saying "I am guilty, don't tell the NCAA" that's one thing.

 

[DragonFromTo]

The academic thing absolustly holds true. See the article I posted above about 3 recruits in a few week period.

But this is a different era and we're still doing it. Our NIL is only for kids on campus, we are doing absolutely nothing for HS recruits like other schools are.

If you're telling that the transcripts and general academic credentials of a Michigan student are about the same as those of a Michigan football or basketball player then I think I may have severely overestimated the average Michigan student. I suppose it is a very large student body, though.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Harbaugh and his loyal staff mates have already shown they aren’t going to cooperate. IMO it’s getting close to the point I made weeks ago. Warde and Ono will decide to sacrifice Harbaugh and any assistants deemed very involved here to try to lessen the blow and save their own skin.

Harbaugh rightfully pushed back against the nonsense cheeseburger incident. I don't think that has anything to do with this. I think they want Harbaugh signed to a new contract and are doing everything possible to end this with that.

 

[osubuckeye89]

It is starting like LOIC could end up being involved or at least threatened.

Yep. I think now that the surface is totally broken on this we will see how deep it really goes and that’s real bad for Michigan.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

If you're telling that the transcripts and general academic credentials of a Michigan student are about the same as those of a Michigan football or basketball player then I think I may have severely overestimated the average Michigan student. I suppose it is a very large student body, though.

Oh, they absolutely aren't. But Michigan maintains a minimum admission standard and does not budge on it. Fucks us over regularly.

 

[Fredmccallyrtr]

Michigan is now an embarrassment to anyone who has ever embraced denialism and refused to accept responsibility for their actions.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Harbaugh rightfully pushed back against the nonsense cheeseburger incident. I don't think that has anything to do with this. I think they want Harbaugh signed to a new contract and are doing everything possible to end this with that.

That’s what you get from all of this? Lmao

Harbaugh has infinity more chance of getting fired in disgrace than getting an extension at this point.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

That’s what you get from all of this? Lmao

Harbaugh has infinity more chance of getting fired in disgrace than getting an extension at this point.

Harbaugh won't be fired. 0% chance.

Harbaugh will either bolt for the NFL or get extended by Michigan. That is, unless there's direct evidence that links him to this.

 

[DragonFromTo]

Oh, they absolutely aren't. But Michigan maintains a minimum admission standard and does not budge on it. Fucks us over regularly.

So they accept a bunch of unqualified students who have no interest in finishing a degree but at least they are not TOO unqualified?