Time to Fire Ryan Day

stakesarehigh said:
sure OSU has overall better rated recruits. But whos better? A five star first year OL or a 6th year grad OL?

OSU at safety and LB has been an issue for like 6 years. You saw it yesterday

Styles missed a million tackles yesterday
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Here is something to consider: During the Cooper years, OSU without question, had more talent than Michigan. Yet still found ways to lose to Michigan. The point being, talent helps but its not the end all be all especially in rivalry games.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Eichenberg did not have a good game either. He missed quite a few tackles. Gotta wonder if his injury was still bothering him
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Eichenberg didn't have a bad game -- Michigan started using Max Bredenson after the first couple drives went nowhere, because of Eichenberg, and putting him in motion as a TE and then using him as a lead blocker thru whatever hole we ran, so his block was normally on Eichenberg. It is why Chambers had so many tackles -- Michigan wanted to try to take Eichenberg out of the play.

It is little adjustments like that, it seems Ryan Day and his staff don't do. Michigan would have their best CB follow Harrison Jr. wherever he went. Then they'd use either a safety over the top or some sort of bracket coverage on him. The fact he still had all those yards is crazy, but he made two crazy catches which were about 70 of his 118 . The 1 handed catch when getting assaulted, then tackled on that deep ball was sick. Egbuka had free run in man coverage much of the game, yet OSU rarely threw to him.

Those mid-game adjustments aren't there for OSU. That is why UM fans like Day.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Eichenberg didn't have a bad game -- Michigan started using Max Bredenson after the first couple drives went nowhere, because of Eichenberg, and putting him in motion as a TE and then using him as a lead blocker thru whatever hole we ran, so his block was normally on Eichenberg. It is why Chambers had so many tackles -- Michigan wanted to try to take Eichenberg out of the play.

It is little adjustments like that, it seems Ryan Day and his staff don't do. Michigan would have their best CB follow Harrison Jr. wherever he went. Then they'd use either a safety over the top or some sort of bracket coverage on him. The fact he still had all those yards is crazy, but he made two crazy catches which were about 70 of his 118 . The 1 handed catch when getting assaulted, then tackled on that deep ball was sick. Egbuka had free run in man coverage much of the game, yet OSU rarely threw to him.

Those mid-game adjustments aren't there for OSU. That is why UM fans like Day.
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Eichenberg had a couple of really bad missed tackles too that he normally never misses. He also got lost in coverage a couple times. It wasn't his best work
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Sherrone Moore is one of the best coordinators and OL coaches and he is only 37.
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I still would have liked to see a few more McCarthy throws and maybe even a few read options, but hey, I'll take the dub.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Eichenberg didn't have a bad game -- Michigan started using Max Bredenson after the first couple drives went nowhere, because of Eichenberg, and putting him in motion as a TE and then using him as a lead blocker thru whatever hole we ran, so his block was normally on Eichenberg. It is why Chambers had so many tackles -- Michigan wanted to try to take Eichenberg out of the play.

It is little adjustments like that, it seems Ryan Day and his staff don't do. Michigan would have their best CB follow Harrison Jr. wherever he went. Then they'd use either a safety over the top or some sort of bracket coverage on him. The fact he still had all those yards is crazy, but he made two crazy catches which were about 70 of his 118 . The 1 handed catch when getting assaulted, then tackled on that deep ball was sick. Egbuka had free run in man coverage much of the game, yet OSU rarely threw to him.

Those mid-game adjustments aren't there for OSU. That is why UM fans like Day.
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Also, Harrison is just a great player. He is going to put up numbers anyway its just locking down the others similar to how the Pistons dealt with Jordan
 
PeoplesChicken said:
Here is something to consider: During the Cooper years, OSU without question, had more talent than Michigan. Yet still found ways to lose to Michigan. The point being, talent helps but its not the end all be all especially in rivalry games.
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eh

It's hard to say honestly. Cooper had one NFL starter at RB in George (obviously a very good one) and his receivers were always dope from 94 to 98 but its kinda the same deal....they had very good DBS but up front (aside from Pace and Stringer) I can't think of an enormous talent differential there. Their qbs were good not great. Hoying was probably the most talented one.
 
navamind said:
The Don Brown defenses were a ton of fun to watch when they worked, but man was he stubborn to change his ways even after OSU exploited them. Doesn't help the corners at the time (2018-19) weren't very good against good receivers, let alone OSU's.

Sucks because those 2016-17 (and most of 2018) defenses were incredible. But hey, teams adjust to how teams are coached and adjust and then the other team has to find a way to adjust to said adjustments... Michigan the last three years after getting burned by OSU.
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Don Brown's defense was the exact defense OSU ran last year. They'd bring more than you can block. They'd shoot all the gaps and leave the secondary on an island. AMAZING defense against teams you are more talented than. Heck -- it'd work once in a while on teams with talent, as those deep balls aren't easy to complete.

BUT -- that defense can be blown up by big plays. That is what happened to OSU last year.
 
navamind said:
The Don Brown defenses were a ton of fun to watch when they worked, but man was he stubborn to change his ways even after OSU exploited them. Doesn't help the corners at the time (2018-19) weren't very good against good receivers, let alone OSU's.

Sucks because those 2016-17 (and most of 2018) defenses were incredible. But hey, teams adjust to how teams are coached and adjust and then the other team has to find a way to adjust to said adjustments... Michigan the last three years after getting burned by OSU.
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Don Brown's defense was the exact defense OSU ran last year. They'd bring more than you can block. They'd shoot all the gaps and leave the secondary on an island. AMAZING defense against teams you are more talented than. Heck -- it'd work once in a while on teams with talent, as those deep balls aren't easy to complete.

BUT -- that defense can be blown up by big plays. That is what happened to OSU last year.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Eichenberg had a couple of really bad missed tackles too that he normally never misses. He also got lost in coverage a couple times. It wasn't his best work
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Michigan is so hard for LB's to defend, as they use so many TE's and Colston Loveland is like a WR in a TE body.

Eichenberg is one guy on the OSU defense i really like. If the Lions didn't draft Jack Campbell -- I'd love to have Eichenberg on the Lions.
 
stakesarehigh said:
eh

It's hard to say honestly. Cooper had one NFL starter at RB in George (obviously a very good one) and his receivers were always dope from 94 to 98 but its kinda the same deal....they had very good DBS but up front (aside from Pace and Stringer) I can't think of an enormous talent differential there. Their qbs were good not great. Hoying was probably the most talented one.
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Cooper, or his staff could recruit. Eddie George, Galloway, Stringer, Katzenmoyer, LeCharles Bentle, Mike Doss, Kenny Peterson just to name a few
 
navamind said:
istill would have liked to see a few more McCarthy throws and maybe even a few read options, but hey, I'll take the dub.
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McCarthy injured his ankle in the PSU game, I think that is why they haven't used him like that for the past 2 games.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Michigan is so hard for LB's to defend, as they use so many TE's and Colston Loveland is like a WR in a TE body.

Eichenberg is one guy on the OSU defense i really like. If the Lions didn't draft Jack Campbell -- I'd love to have Eichenberg on the Lions.
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He is a really good player. Don't take me criticizing him that I don't like him. He just didn't play his best
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Michigan is so hard for LB's to defend, as they use so many TE's and Colston Loveland is like a WR in a TE body.

Eichenberg is one guy on the OSU defense i really like. If the Lions didn't draft Jack Campbell -- I'd love to have Eichenberg on the Lions.
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I like Eichenberg too
 
fishinabarrel said:
Eichenberg did not have a good game either. He missed quite a few tackles. Gotta wonder if his injury was still bothering him
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I like me some Eichenberg but they've just not had an impactful LB in like 8 years. The Borland years were criminally bad. Someone should have kneecapped him just to keep them from inexplicably starting him.

But even DBS are good not great. They don't have a lockdown guy even though I like Burke. The scheme was effective in contain but all their talent at DL is kinda wasted at times.
 
stakesarehigh said:
I like me some Eichenberg but they've just not had an impactful LB in like 8 years. The Borland years were criminally bad. Someone should have kneecapped him just to keep them from inexplicably starting him.

But even DBS are good not great. They don't have a lockdown guy even though I like Burke. The scheme was effective in contain but all their talent at DL is kinda wasted at times.
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Burke was pretty lockdown this season. Hardly anyone threw at him and he generally made plays when they did

But it sure would be nice to have like a Conley and Lattimore again
 
stakesarehigh said:
I like me some Eichenberg but they've just not had an impactful LB in like 8 years. The Borland years were criminally bad. Someone should have kneecapped him just to keep them from inexplicably starting him.
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not gonna lie, I've been rather happy you guys haven't had a superstar lineman since Young. Having a stud DL can really have an impact
 
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