The Heisman was rigged

Illustrious Potentate said:
Paul Hornung won it when ND went 2-8
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jjc2009 said:
Paul Hourning won it with a losing record.
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Daniels deserved it.
 
fishinabarrel said:
It's not a team award. Not sure why you include the teams record in your complaint
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Then why not give it to Shedeur?

You can't say there should never be consideration for record when it is largely a QB award, they are the most consequential position on the team, and the one position that can carry a team more than any other.

Hell, Penix was penalized for having games too close they should have blown out. Doesn't matter he was clutch and made many 4th quarter plays that were comebacks or game saving?

People threw Bo out because his 'team' lost to UW twice. If it's more stats than wins Bo gets more votes than he did.

Piling up stats against bad teams shouldn't be the primary factor in judging the best player.

That alone isn't the problem. It's the inconsistency of how each are judged. One can be out for a single team loss while others are rewarded for stats on a shitty team.
 
Having watched LSU once the first week of the season and only having stats to go off of, Daniels was no doubt worthy.

However, if you flip it, put Daniels on 9-3 UW and Penix on 13-0 LSU with all the same stats, it’s a different result.
 
Wizardhawk said:
Then why not give it to Shedeur?

You can't say there should never be consideration for record when it is largely a QB award, they are the most consequential position on the team, and the one position that can carry a team more than any other.

Hell, Penix was penalized for having games too close they should have blown out. Doesn't matter he was clutch and made many 4th quarter plays that were comebacks or game saving?

People threw Bo out because his 'team' lost to UW twice. If it's more stats than wins Bo gets more votes than he did.

Piling up stats against bad teams shouldn't be the primary factor in judging the best player.

That alone isn't the problem. It's the inconsistency of how each are judged. One can be out for a single team loss while others are rewarded for stats on a shitty team.
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This. Like everything else, just argue from whatever angle is convenient. It’s an individual award this year, they don’t consider wins/losses, leadership, clutch moments in big games in championship seasons. Unless they do.
 
DayButtAssMans’s said:
This. Like everything else, just argue from whatever angle is convenient. It’s an individual award this year, they don’t consider wins/losses, leadership, clutch moments in big games in championship seasons. Unless they do.
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By its nature these awards are just like judging figure skating.
 
Wizardhawk said:
Then why not give it to Shedeur?

You can't say there should never be consideration for record when it is largely a QB award, they are the most consequential position on the team, and the one position that can carry a team more than any other.

Hell, Penix was penalized for having games too close they should have blown out. Doesn't matter he was clutch and made many 4th quarter plays that were comebacks or game saving?

People threw Bo out because his 'team' lost to UW twice. If it's more stats than wins Bo gets more votes than he did.

Piling up stats against bad teams shouldn't be the primary factor in judging the best player.

That alone isn't the problem. It's the inconsistency of how each are judged. One can be out for a single team loss while others are rewarded for stats on a shitty team.
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Personally, I didn't care who won. So, this is not about that.

I don't understand the piling up stats against bad teams argument. There is not a lick of difference between the two team's schedules. LSU played ACC Champion FSU (13-0) OOC and SEC Champion Alabama (12-1), Ole Miss (10-2) and Mizzou (10-2) in conference + four other teams that finished 6-6 or better. Washington also played 8 teams that were 6-6 or better highlighted by Oregon (11-2) twice, Arizona (9-3), Utah (8-4) and Oregon State (8-4) + 3 other teams that were 6-6 or better. LSU played 4 teams with losing records and Washington played 5 teams with a losing record.

IMO, the passing stats for all three QBs were awesome, and the difference was Daniels having 1,300 rushing yards and finishing 2nd in the SEC in rushing. That is what won it for him.

Once again, no dog in the race for me. Any of them could have won it and been okay in my book.
 
OregonDucks said:
Sorry. But a QB of a 9-3 team shouldn’t win the heisman. Hell they shouldn’t even be invited to the ceremony.

I’m sick that the SEC bias that has taken over college football, see FSU, has ruined and taken away a special moment for players like Bo Nix, who deserve and are worthy of the prestigious award of the Heisman trophy.

They screwed over FSU and now they screwed over Nix and dare I say, Penix. Yes, that’s how stupid this is, you got me even considering Penix more deserving of this award than Daniels.

Bottom line, Daniels shouldn’t have won it. He didn’t deserve it. Marvin Harrison was a joke to even be there, seriously wtf was that?

Thank you Bo for all you did for Oregon. Heisman in my book!

SkOO Ducks! Let’s get it one more time on January 1.
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Nobody cares about the PAC schools, get over it.. despite Phil writing 8 fig checks


also Nix was an overrated 30 year old..
and now you will move on to another overrated 30 year old

Daniels was the best QB and deserved the Heisman

Penix is good but his best wins were vs an overrated duck defense
 
Ricky Williams won it with multiple losses too
 
Steve Owen's won it with OK having a 6-4 record
 
78Cyclones said:
Personally, I didn't care who won. So, this is not about that.

I don't understand the piling up stats against bad teams argument. There is not a lick of difference between the two team's schedules. LSU played ACC Champion FSU (13-0) OOC and SEC Champion Alabama (12-1), Ole Miss (10-2) and Mizzou (10-2) in conference + four other teams that finished 6-6 or better. Washington also played 8 teams that were 6-6 or better highlighted by Oregon (11-2) twice, Arizona (9-3), Utah (8-4) and Oregon State (8-4) + 3 other teams that were 6-6 or better. LSU played 4 teams with losing records and Washington played 5 teams with a losing record.

IMO, the passing stats for all three QBs were awesome, and the difference was Daniels having 1,300 rushing yards and finishing 2nd in the SEC in rushing. That is what won it for him.

Once again, no dog in the race for me. Any of them could have won it and been okay in my book.
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This is part of the problem. People making blind arguments without any context.

Penix didn't play in the 4th quarter of any game until week 5. He was pulled sometime mid/late 3rd quarter in every shit stain game they were in. As I already stated, they opted for giving younger kids more game experience vs running up stats for either their team ranking (which for sure hurt early on) or award considerations such as Biletnikoff/heisman.

Daniels played every snap against Georgia State for example.

Sagarin has LSU at 28th SoS and UW at 5th.

So no, they are not equal.
 
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