Michigan’s Sherone Moore to be named head coach

[ericd7633]

The outcome isn't the same at all, at least not yet. Your scenario would be the same thing if Moore knew in early December that he was going to take over as HC so he could have time to assemble his staff, like Day did. That's my point.

Again, I'm not assigning blame anywhere, I'm not sure why you keep coming back to that. Day also had to bring in a few guys for his staff, but he had weeks to do so which is why his transition was smooth. With Harbaugh taking arguably michigan's two most important coaches with him to the Chargers, that's going to hurt.

Again, the transition is different because Michigan was playing meaningful football until almost mid-January. The outcome(hiring an OC) is the same thing. If Harbaugh was going to leave, Moore was always the next in line. Even Harbaugh wanted that.

My point is that the transition won't be as smooth because of the factors(timing, assistant coaches having better option etc.) You're acting as though he failed retaining these assistants which is disingenuous IMO. Anybody would leave the DC at Michigan to become a DC in the NFL, it's what the last DC at Michigan did as well. That's what happens when you bring in NFL guys to college. I agree him losing those guys is going to hurt, but it was out of Moore's control.

 

[Across The Field]

Again, the transition is different because Michigan was playing meaningful football until almost mid-January. The outcome(hiring an OC) is the same thing. If Harbaugh was going to leave, Moore was always the next in line. Even Harbaugh wanted that.

My point is that the transition won't be as smooth because of the factors(timing, assistant coaches having better option etc.) You're acting as though he failed retaining these assistants which is disingenuous IMO. Anybody would leave the DC at Michigan to become a DC in the NFL, it's what the last DC at Michigan did as well. That's what happens when you bring in NFL guys to college. I agree him losing those guys is going to hurt, but it was out of Moore's control.

Ok, now for the third time, I've never once assigned any blame to Moore or michigan. I truly have no idea which post of mine you read where I'm somehow blaming them. My point (since the start) is that you can't compare Day to Moore in regards to this process because it was much smoother and more organized for Day. I'm not sure michigan playing in the CFP was going to matter much since Harbaugh didn't retire like Urban was doing and the Chargers hadn't even started their coaching search/interview process until this month.

Yet again, my point is that Moore's coordinator hires are going to be crucial since he has to hire both of them and has never had to assemble a staff before. If you were to say the two most important coaches on the staff, it would've been Minter and Herbert, and Moore has to replace them both along with adding some others. Again, not blaming anything on Moore, just pointing out that the process is going to be much more difficult than it was for Day.

I feel like you're echoing a lot of the same things I'm saying but adding in this weird twist where I'm somehow blaming Moore.

 

[ericd7633]

Ok, now for the third time, I've never once assigned any blame to Moore or michigan. I truly have no idea which post of mine you read where I'm somehow blaming them. My point (since the start) is that you can't compare Day to Moore in regards to this process because it was much smoother and more organized for Day. I'm not sure michigan playing in the CFP was going to matter much since Harbaugh didn't retire like Urban was doing and the Chargers hadn't even started their coaching search/interview process until this month.

Yet again, my point is that Moore's coordinator hires are going to be crucial since he has to hire both of them and has never had to assemble a staff before. If you were to say the two most important coaches on the staff, it would've been Minter and Herbert, and Moore has to replace them both along with adding some others. Again, not blaming anything on Moore, just pointing out that the process is going to be much more difficult than it was for Day.

I feel like you're echoing a lot of the same things I'm saying but adding in this weird twist where I'm somehow blaming Moore.

Yeah, it's going to be more difficult because of those extenuating circumstances, which were out of Moore and Michigan's control. I get you're not blaming Moore and Michigan, but when comparing it to what Day had, it was never going to be quite as smooth because of those things. They are out of Moore's control, is my point. Meaning it's not his fault for not having an OC and DC at this point, or losing staff to the NFL. But, with the said, the transition is still as smooth as it possibly could have been. He was always going to be the candidate(right or wrong). And at the the end of the day, still promoted from within like OSU did with Day, and like with OSU, did it very quickly.

 

[Across The Field]

Yeah, it's going to be more difficult because of those extenuating circumstances, which were out of Moore and Michigan's control. I get you're not blaming Moore and Michigan, but when comparing it to what Day had, it was never going to be quite as smooth because of those things. They are out of Moore's control, is my point. Meaning it's not his fault for not having an OC and DC at this point, or losing staff to the NFL. But, with the said, the transition is still as smooth as it possibly could have been. He was always going to be the candidate(right or wrong). And at the the end of the day, still promoted from within like OSU did with Day, and like with OSU, did it very quickly.

Yes, everything you've said is what I've already said other than him "always being the candidate". I'm sure that was the reality, my point was I wouldn't have necessarily had that approach. Then again, with how they're saying Warde Manuel is, they might not have been able to afford an already established HC and his staff, which is absurd with what I'm assuming is an alumni base with several wealthy donors who would be happy to open it up.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Moore was born sliding into home taking over a team that just won a national title.

But certainly doesn’t think he hit a triple

 

[osubuckeye89]

But certainly doesn’t think he hit a triple

Triple. Advanced to home via error

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Triple. Advanced to home via error

What Ohio state fans still don’t seem to grasp. The quote was about a state of mind, not an observation of status.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Michigan has 18 four stars in the incoming class. We certainly could have used more top end talent in jt but I think that’s an NIL product and not a head coaching issue. I think if you hire from outside, the roster gets gutted by the transfer portal.

But that is a short-term v. long term decision. I have no idea if Moore is going to be good or not. I do know that:

- you are hiring a first-time HC, which is not a problem per se. From a short-term perspective, I like the continuity of it.
- your coaching staff has been gutted, and he has to replace an entire staff after everyone has already settled down.
- you are losing a ton of talent - you guys have been bragging about breaking the NFL record for draft choices this coming draft.
- your last 5 recruiting classes have been 10th, 13th, 9th, 17th, 16th - not even a top 10 average. You are off to a slow start for 2025 and with Harbaugh leaving Moore better get the recruiting going quickly ... 2025 will be in the can by the end of June.
- I could be wrong, but I don't think you've been overly active in the transfer portal.
- you will be facing NCAA investigations on multiple fronts.
- the B1G added Oregon, UW, and USC, although I am not sure how tough those three will be.
- you are going divisionless which means no more easy B1G West opponent in the CCG should you get there again.
- you've had an easy OOC the last 2 years and that changes this year - Texas, OU, and ND series in the next 6 years.
- you no longer have the advantage of knowing the other team's signals - take that as it is meant ... you won the last 6 games, good for you, but you also had the other team's signals the last 3 seasons. You won' have that going forward.

If it were me, and I could have gotten Kelly or another experienced HC, I might have figured the next 3 or 4 years are going to be tough and maybe gone with experience.

 

[osubuckeye89]

But that is a short-term v. long term decision. I have no idea if Moore is going to be good or not. I do know that:

- you are hiring a first-time HC, which is not a problem per se. From a short-term perspective, I like the continuity of it.
- your coaching staff has been gutted, and he has to replace an entire staff after everyone has already settled down.
- you are losing a ton of talent - you guys have been bragging about breaking the NFL record for draft choices this coming draft.
- your last 5 recruiting classes have been 10th, 13th, 9th, 17th, 16th - not even a top 10 average. You are off to a slow start for 2025 and with Harbaugh leaving Moore better get the recruiting going quickly ... 2025 will be in the can by the end of June.
- I could be wrong, but I don't think you've been overly active in the transfer portal.
- you will be facing NCAA investigations on multiple fronts.
- the B1G added Oregon, UW, and USC, although I am not sure how tough those three will be.
- you are going divisionless which means no more easy B1G West opponent in the CCG should you get there again.
- you've had an easy OOC the last 2 years and that changes this year - Texas, OU, and ND series in the next 6 years.
- you no longer have the advantage of knowing the other team's signals - take that as it is meant ... you won the last 6 games, good for you, but you also had the other team's signals the last 3 seasons. You won' have that going forward.

If it were me, and I could have gotten Kelly or another experienced HC, I might have figured the next 3 or 4 years are going to be tough and maybe gone with experience.

I really don't think Kelly was gonna leave LSU to go to Michigan right now.

If it wasn't Moore it was gonna be some lower level program head coach or a assistant from a bigger program, it's probably better to go with Moore as he likely has about the same chance at success as those types, and you don't get nuked right off the bat with transfers.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I really don't think Kelly was gonna leave LSU to go to Michigan right now.

If it wasn't Moore it was gonna be some lower level program head coach or a assistant from a bigger program, it's probably better to go with Moore as he likely has about the same chance at success as those types, and you don't get nuked right off the bat with transfers.

I agree ... that's why I said if I could have gotten him. The timing of this did no favors for UM. And I still think I would have gone with the inside hire. I think Bama wishes that was an option for them. I just wanted to point out that UM could be in for some tough sledding in the years to come. The main thing that affects the trajectory of CFB teams is coaching, which includes recruiting.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

But that is a short-term v. long term decision. I have no idea if Moore is going to be good or not. I do know that:

- you are hiring a first-time HC, which is not a problem per se. From a short-term perspective, I like the continuity of it.
- your coaching staff has been gutted, and he has to replace an entire staff after everyone has already settled down.
- you are losing a ton of talent - you guys have been bragging about breaking the NFL record for draft choices this coming draft.
- your last 5 recruiting classes have been 10th, 13th, 9th, 17th, 16th - not even a top 10 average. You are off to a slow start for 2025 and with Harbaugh leaving Moore better get the recruiting going quickly ... 2025 will be in the can by the end of June.
- I could be wrong, but I don't think you've been overly active in the transfer portal.
- you will be facing NCAA investigations on multiple fronts.
- the B1G added Oregon, UW, and USC, although I am not sure how tough those three will be.
- you are going divisionless which means no more easy B1G West opponent in the CCG should you get there again.
- you've had an easy OOC the last 2 years and that changes this year - Texas, OU, and ND series in the next 6 years.
- you no longer have the advantage of knowing the other team's signals - take that as it is meant ... you won the last 6 games, good for you, but you also had the other team's signals the last 3 seasons. You won' have that going forward.

If it were me, and I could have gotten Kelly or another experienced HC, I might have figured the next 3 or 4 years are going to be tough and maybe gone with experience.

I wouldn’t say the coaching staff has been gutted. I guess we lose Harbaugh and our DC….and by promoting moore we need a new OC.

We are losing a ton of talent. Thought defensively we actually hold onto some significant pieces. So that DC position is going to be huge.

We haven’t been active this year in the portal. We also haven’t lost many to it either. We had one of the best portal classes last year.

In the new world order conferences mean nothing. Get to top 12, you’re good.

I don’t see any candidate out there that would have been less a risk. Moore was going to be poached from us by another team for a HC position had Harbaugh stuck around one more year. Michigan has a solid history of success by promoting coordinators. Kelly would have been a disaster. The dude sucks. LSU had one of the worst defenses in football. There aren’t too many solid choices out there. Even Bama took a risk.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I agree ... that's why I said if I could have gotten him. The timing of this did no favors for UM. And I still think I would have gone with the inside hire. I think Bama wishes that was an option for them. I just wanted to point out that UM could be in for some tough sledding in the years to come. The main thing that affects the trajectory of CFB teams is coaching, which includes recruiting.

Harbaugh gutting the coaching staff of its best definitely makes it a rough start for Moore. Promoting from within to hopefully get continuity is nice but that doesn't always work out.

First thing he should do is go find a experienced OC, he's a idiot if he keeps trying to call plays as a first time head coach. And I don't think promoting from within is the right call there.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Harbaugh gutting the coaching staff of its best definitely makes it a rough start for Moore. Promoting from within to hopefully get continuity is nice but that doesn't always work out.

First thing he should do is go find an experienced OC, he's an idiot if he keeps trying to call plays as a first time head coach. And I don't think promoting from within is the right call there.

Harbaugh took 1 of the coaches….and purposefully set up a succession plan/coach. If you’re going to the nfl I’m not sure how you leave a team in a better position?

 

[osubuckeye89]

I wouldn’t say the coaching staff has been gutted. I guess we lose Harbaugh and our DC….and by promoting moore we need a new OC.

We are losing a ton of talent. Thought defensively we actually hold onto some significant pieces. So that DC position is going to be huge.

We haven’t been active this year in the portal. We also haven’t lost many to it either. We had one of the best portal classes last year.

In the new world order conferences mean nothing. Get to top 12, you’re good.

I don’t see any candidate out there that would have been less a risk. Moore was going to be poached from us by another team for a HC position had Harbaugh stuck around one more year. Michigan has a solid history of success by promoting coordinators.

Moore was the right call in this situation. I think its smart to stick with the guy from within if the other realistic options are basically equal risk moves. Im sure everyone associated with Michigan woulda blown a gasket if they went out and hired some MAC coach instead lol.

I think Michigan was going to take a step back this year even if Harbaugh was there. By that I mean a more pre 2020 Harbaugh team than post 2021. I think 8-4 should be the floor. If Moore can avoid losing any games he shouldn't thats a good sign. The defense should be good enough that they shouldn't be losing to the Illinois/Northwestern type teams.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I wouldn’t say the coaching staff has been gutted. I guess we lose Harbaugh and our DC….and by promoting moore we need a new OC.

We are losing a ton of talent. Thought defensively we actually hold onto some significant pieces. So that DC position is going to be huge.

We haven’t been active this year in the portal. We also haven’t lost many to it either. We had one of the best portal classes last year.

In the new world order conferences mean nothing. Get to top 12, you’re good.

I don’t see any candidate out there that would have been less a risk. Moore was going to be poached from us by another team for a HC position had Harbaugh stuck around one more year. Michigan has a solid history of success by promoting coordinators. Kelly would have been a disaster. The dude sucks. LSU had one of the worst defenses in football. There aren’t too many solid choices out there. Even Bama took a risk.

First time HC, two new coordinators, and the S&C coach appears to be a serious loss per Twitter. That's pretty much gutted.

We'll see what happens in the next 30 days and then after spring ball.

Agree the CFP-12 helps, but it also means missing that is a bigger failure. Better not lose 3 games.

Bama hired the reigning HC of the year who just took his team to the NCG. Guy has been a HC for years. That's not the same as a 1st time HC. Bama has other issues for sure, but it isn't a 1st time HC.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Harbaugh took 1 of the coaches….and purposefully set up a succession plan/coach. If you’re going to the nfl I’m not sure how you leave a team in a better position?

Herbert is a huge loss too. He took the 2 most coveted outside of Moore

 

[osubuckeye89]

First time HC, two new coordinators, and the S&C coach appears to be a serious loss per Twitter. That's pretty much gutted.

We'll see what happens in the next 30 days and then after spring ball.

Agree the CFP-12 helps, but it also means missing that is a bigger failure. Better not lose 3 games.

Bama hired the reigning HC of the year who just took his team to the NCG. Guy has been a HC for years. That's not the same as a 1st time HC. Bama has other issues for sure, but it isn't a 1st time HC.

I think they are gonna take more portal hits than they think. It's not gonna be any of the main returners but guys who they will feel losing in 2025 and beyond. It wont happen till the spring portal window now though because of the timing of all this

 

[osubuckeye89]

Hypothetical hilarity.

So what if Michigan got hammered by the NCAA cause it was proven their assistants were running a elaborate not legal cheating scheme. But also proven that Harbaugh really didnt know anything.

Chargers gotta fire him right? Can you have someone capable of that level of incompetence in knowing whats going on under his watch being the figure head of your organization?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

First time HC, two new coordinators, and the S&C coach appears to be a serious loss per Twitter. That's pretty much gutted.

We'll see what happens in the next 30 days and then after spring ball.

Agree the CFP-12 helps, but it also means missing that is a bigger failure. Better not lose 3 games.

Bama hired the reigning HC of the year who just took his team to the NCG. Guy has been a HC for years. That's not the same as a 1st time HC. Bama has other issues for sure, but it isn't a 1st time HC.

We lost the S&C coach and promoted instantly thr guy who’s followed him around for a decade.

I’m just glad Deboer wasn’t available when Michigan was looking. I think he might not do great but we’ll see. It’s all a crap shoot. See Michigan hiring rich Rod. Being a first time head coach at a program propped up for you, is entirely different than hiring one who’s coming into the program fresh. Promoting a coordinator isn’t the same as going out and hiring someone else’s. Especially a coordinator who was coach for 5 games last season.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Hypothetical hilarity.

So what if Michigan got hammered by the NCAA cause it was proven their assistants were running a elaborate not legal cheating scheme. But also proven that Harbaugh really didnt know anything.

Chargers gotta fire him right? Can you have someone capable of that level of incompetence in knowing whats going on under his watch being the figure head of your organization?

Nope. The NFL would laugh and continue on.