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duckboy33 said:
LMAO no it wouldn't. None of these P6 conferences are that much better than the others. If you can't finish .500 in conference play, you aren't that good or deserving. Reward teams that win games. Simple.

When it comes to seeding, sure, get into the specifics on which leagues were tougher than others. You wanna argue that a 14-4 Big 12 team should be seeded higher than a 15-5 PAC 12/ACC team, I'll agree with you. You want to argue that a 7-11 Big 12 team is more deserving than a 13-7 PAC 12/ACC team, that's where I start to have a problem.
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Basketball is not the same as football though. Technically there is no P6, Power 5, whatever you want to call it.

If the Sun Belt conference came out next year and won every preseason tuorney they were invited to, then their 8-10 teams would get in.

Technically every conference starts out on even ground and is graded based on their noncon as a collective.

And PAC-12 pretty much stunk it up OOC.

That said, Big East did moderately well and their not getting any favors either. There is some arbitrariness to it.

But at the end of the day, being on the bubble means you couldn't win enough games. It's not like they're picking 4 teams, they're picking 68
 
duckboy33 said:
LMAO no it wouldn't. None of these P6 conferences are that much better than the others. If you can't finish .500 in conference play, you aren't that good or deserving. Reward teams that win games. Simple.

When it comes to seeding, sure, get into the specifics on which leagues were tougher than others. You wanna argue that a 14-4 Big 12 team should be seeded higher than a 15-5 PAC 12/ACC team, I'll agree with you. You want to argue that a 7-11 Big 12 team is more deserving than a 13-7 PAC 12/ACC team, that's where I start to have a problem.
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Teams like TCU(6 seed), Iowa State(6 seed), Arkansas(8 seed), WVU(9 seed) Miss St(11 seed) wouldn't have made it last year. That's 5 teams you'd have to fill with other teams. Giving them to the whoever were the #1 seeds in the NIT would make the tournament much weaker.

I just disagree on the P6 conference thing. The Big 12 is a lot better than the P12 this year. Going 8-10 in that league is better than going 10-8 in the P12. I mean heck the MWC is better than the P12 this year.
 
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stakesarehigh said:
I just can't do it.

not my call but this run has been a miserable failure. I'd cut ties with everyone
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Being someone who witnessed the Raiders pass on an interim who turned the team around only to have to fire his replacement before two full seasons, if Diebler turns this team around and they make the tourney, you absolutely have to give him a shot.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Being someone who witnessed the Raiders pass on an interim who turned the team around only to have to fire his replacement before two full seasons, if Diebler turns this team around and they make the tourney, you absolutely have to give him a shot.
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His demeanor Sunday gives me pause.

I still would cut ties personally but he's earned a small benefit
 
stakesarehigh said:
His demeanor Sunday gives me pause.

I still would cut ties personally but he's earned a small benefit
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I mean, it's not going to be an easy feat for this team to make the tourney at all so I'm not giving him much of a leash lol
 
ericd7633 said:
Teams like TCU(6 seed), Iowa State(6 seed), Arkansas(8 seed), WVU(9 seed) Miss St(11 seed) wouldn't have made it last year. That's 5 teams you'd have to fill with other teams. Giving them to the whoever were the #1 seeds in the NIT would make the tournament much weaker.

I just disagree on the P6 conference thing. The Big 12 is a lot better than the P12 this year. Going 8-10 in that league is better than going 10-8 in the P12. I mean heck the MWC is better than the P12 this year.
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It will be interesting to see how realignment affects bubble teams from the mega-conferences.

Oregon will have the chance to prove they can beat 8-8 Big Ten teams.

Right now, there's 9 out of 14 teams from the B12 in. But there were years where the B12 got 7 teams in with only 10 total.

And B12 is having a killer year. There will be years where it is down and it will just be a wasteland of teams under .500 and non tourney, like today's ACC.
 
jontaejones said:
It will be interesting to see how realignment affects bubble teams from the mega-conferences.

Oregon will have the chance to prove they can beat 8-8 Big Ten teams.

Right now, there's 9 out of 14 teams from the B12 in. But there were years where the B12 got 7 teams in with only 10 total.

And B12 is having a killer year. There will be years where it is down and it will just be a wasteland of teams under .500 and non tourney, like today's ACC.
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Yeah for sure. Things are cyclical. I was watching an old ACCT game from 2017, and the league was loaded that year. That same year the Mountain West only got 1 team in. Now the MWC is probably going to get more than the ACC(or at the very least the same). The B1G was great in 2021 & 2022. Now it's only getting 6 at the most and not 9.
 
jontaejones said:
It will be interesting to see how realignment affects bubble teams from the mega-conferences.

Oregon will have the chance to prove they can beat 8-8 Big Ten teams.

Right now, there's 9 out of 14 teams from the B12 in. But there were years where the B12 got 7 teams in with only 10 total.

And B12 is having a killer year. There will be years where it is down and it will just be a wasteland of teams under .500 and non tourney, like today's ACC.
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BE should really have a leg up going forward with the coaches in the league assuming Cooley gets Gtown back soon.

It’s gonna be a balanced round Robin for strong metrics.

Gonna be tough for 11th/18 Big10 team to get a bid when they wind up only playing teams 9, 12 and 16 twice.
 
ericd7633 said:
The cutline isn't all that great this season. It's mixed with teams that don't have a bunch of tournament quality wins(Gonzaga, Wake etc) mixed with teams that have really good wins, but a bunch of losses(A&M, Nova, Butler to name a few). I don't think MSU will be an 8 come tomorrow. My guess is that they are on the 10 line in most projections. FAU probably on the 9/10 now as well. What's helping them is their metrics across the board, and they played a really good OOC schedule. If it's close, that probably gives them an edge.
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I’d like to see playing a difficult OOC schedule as one of the highest criteria rewarded. If it isn’t already. Of course winning some are necessary…especially difficult road wins more than neutral site ones. JMO
 
Mr.Hockey said:
MSU has an interesting finish. Tough to see them leaving an Izzo team out.

But at Purdue, vs NU, at IU is tough finish. Lose 2 of those and 1 and done in BTT and they are in big trouble
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Yep MSU definitely gets the Izzo benefit of the doubt, if they are close theyll put them in.
 
Mr.Hockey said:
It’s gonna be a balanced round Robin for strong metrics.
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I like true double round robin schedules. That is the best way to determine a true conference champion imho.

I miss that in the Big 12 this year. But the strength of Houston and BYU helped mitigate it somewhat.
 
duckboy33 said:
The quad non-sense needs to go away ASAP. It's entirely arbitrary and doesn't tell us anything useful.

Put some basketball people on the selection committee. Value winning games throughout the season. Stop letting a handful of OOC games dictate the entire season.

If you need to short hand it, if you didn't win 20 games at the end of the season, you don't belong in the tournament. If you don't finish with a winning conference record, you don't belong in the tournament.
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Issue with "basketball people in the room" is a couple things

1. They're going to ne inherently biased towards big name programs and major conferences ( even more so than now )

And

2. You won't have equal representation. Which isn't as big of a deal when there's set criteria but if you're just trusting peoples opinions then it becomes a problem

I like the quad system. It makes much more sense than the old way

Winning a road game vs #50 is tougher in general than winning a home game vs #30

So even though 30 it's going to get in the tourney and 50 may not it doesn't mean that in THAT PARTICULAR game beating 30 is better

Yes there are some things that need ironed out but overall its not bad

I personally would advocate for more divisions

Like a tier 1 win should be

Home vs top 20
Neutral vs top 35
Road vs top 50

Have maybe 8 tiers not 4

Then you're getting a better look and a home win vs #3 isn't the same as a road win vs #73
 
rmilia1 said:
Issue with "basketball people in the room" is a couple things

1. They're going to ne inherently biased towards big name programs and major conferences ( even more so than now )

And

2. You won't have equal representation. Which isn't as big of a deal when there's set criteria but if you're just trusting peoples opinions then it becomes a problem

I like the quad system. It makes much more sense than the old way

Winning a road game vs #50 is tougher in general than winning a home game vs #30

So even though 30 it's going to get in the tourney and 50 may not it doesn't mean that in THAT PARTICULAR game beating 30 is better

Yes there are some things that need ironed out but overall its not bad

I personally would advocate for more divisions

Like a tier 1 win should be

Home vs top 20
Neutral vs top 35
Road vs top 50

Have maybe 8 tiers not 4

Then you're getting a better look and a home win vs #3 isn't the same as a road win vs #73
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There already is this.

Every quad has A and B.

Winning home vs Uconn is Q1A. Winning home vs Michigan State is Q1B
 
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