March Madnes 2024 NCAA Tournament: First Round

duckboy33 said:
CSU went 10-8 in the MWC. It's time to stop pretending that's good enough when you're in a mid major league.
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And it wouldn't have been if they lost to Creighton, Colorado, Washington and Boston College(like St. John's did) OOC.
 
ericd7633 said:
And it wouldn't have been if they lost to Creighton, Colorado, Washington and Boston College(like St. John's did) OOC.
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Meh. There's plenty of teams that miss the tournament that had nice OOC wins. Conference games have to matter as well. That's the committee's biggest problem.
 
Hitman Hart said:
its pretty simple

MWC tournament teams: New Mexico (autobid), Colorado State (4 wins vs the field), San Diego State (ditto)

Nevada, Boise State and Utah State should have been left home.

Fuck the MWC. They confuse the biggest retards in college basketball media every year.
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Utah State will beat TCU.

That ought to jinx 'em.
 
Hitman Hart said:
so in other words, Boise State had zero wins vs P6 opponents. and yeah, obviously three wins versus the field doesn't cut it.

MWC has taken advantage of a flawed system. It's time for the system to adjust. The league is a good mid-major. They aren't a high major. The MWC receiving six bids is fucking ridiculous.
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Okay, if that's the baseline, who are we going to put in? None of the first four teams had more than 3, St. John's didn't. Wake and Providence did out of the teams that were close.
 
duckboy33 said:
Meh. There's plenty of teams that miss the tournament that had nice OOC wins. Conference games have to matter as well. That's the committee's biggest problem.
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If St Johns would have beaten BC and Michigan, they're in(or beat more than 1 team that actually made it).

Conference games do matter. The league performed really well OOC, especially the top 6. Even as an entire conference they had a better winning % OOC than the P12 and Big East did.
 
ericd7633 said:
If St Johns would have beaten BC and Michigan, they're in(or beat more than 1 team that actually made it).

Conference games do matter. The league performed really well OOC, especially the top 6. Even as an entire conference they had a better winning % OOC than the P12 and Big East did.
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That's why we have a human element. The MWC is not even close to the Big East. It's not even as good as the PAC. It's a good mid major and the committee went overboard, again. Is anyone really going to stand up and try to argue that the MWC is a better conference than the Big East?
 
ericd7633 said:
Okay, if that's the baseline, who are we going to put in? None of the first four teams had more than 3, St. John's didn't. Wake and Providence did out of the teams that were close.
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Wake has 4 wins versus the field. Put them in. In that scenario, Pitt would also have four wins versus the field. In. Providence has four wins versus the field. In. Seton Hall would have three in that scenario. Bubble city.

St. John's resume is rather unimpressive even with these changes. I don't have an issue with them being left out.

and fwiw, my rule about Wake is they didn't belong in because how they collapsed down the stretch. but if the choice is MWC trash or this Deacs team. Give me the Deacs.
 
Hitman Hart said:
wouldn't surprise me because Big 12 is another league that gamed the system.
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Don't know about gaming the system but the Big 12 was overrated this year IMO. I've said so all along. People gave teams too much credit for beating Kansas. It wasn't Dorothy's Kansas people think of. The conference wasn't bad by any means. Just not what they have been.

SEC was another one overrated IMO. I'm on record saying 50% of the Big 12 and SEC teams won't make the sweet 16.

All that said, people know the criteria before the season starts. They also know it can be left up to a committee's discretion if they don't get the auto.
 
Hitman Hart said:
Wake has 4 wins versus the field. Put them in. In that scenario, Pitt would also have four wins versus the field. In. Providence has four wins versus the field. In. Seton Hall would have three in that scenario. Bubble city.

St. John's resume is rather unimpressive even with these changes. I don't have an issue with them being left out.

and fwiw, my rule about Wake is they didn't belong in because how they collapsed down the stretch. but if the choice is MWC trash or this Deacs team. Give me the Deacs.
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There were multiple teams that fit by criteria of 20+ wins and a winning conference record in a power conference. They should keep at large bid major bids to a minimum until they run out of those kinds of teams IMO
 
duckboy33 said:
That's why we have a human element. The MWC is not even close to the Big East. It's not even as good as the PAC. It's a good mid major and the committee went overboard, again. Is anyone really going to stand up and try to argue that the MWC is a better conference than the Big East?
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The committee absolutely refuses to use the eye test. It's insane. Meanwhile, the CFB committee is all eye test, lmfao.
 
duckboy33 said:
That's why we have a human element. The MWC is not even close to the Big East. It's not even as good as the PAC. It's a good mid major and the committee went overboard, again. Is anyone really going to stand up and try to argue that the MWC is a better conference than the Big East?
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I think the Big East is better than the MWC, but teams get bids, not conferences. The committee can only evaluate what happens during the season. The P12 had a chance to keep a team like CSU out, but CSU beat Colorado and won on a neutral against Washington. Those games go through other way, Colorado skips Dayton, and CSU isn't close. SDSU was 3-0 against the P12, Nevada beat Washington. Yeah Washington isn't what I would consider a good team, but even they had some nice results OOC(wins over Gonzaga and Xavier). Utah was the team that let the P12 down. They had a great OOC, then decided to lose to all the bottom teams in the league.
 
Deep Creek said:
Don't know about gaming the system but the Big 12 was overrated this year IMO. I've said so all along. People gave teams too much credit for beating Kansas. It wasn't Dorothy's Kansas people think of. The conference wasn't bad by any means. Just not what they have been.

SEC was another one overrated IMO. I'm on record saying 50% of the Big 12 and SEC teams won't make the sweet 16.

All that said, people know the criteria before the season starts. They also know it can be left up to a committee's discretion if they don't get the auto.
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Big 12 for the most part played a soft OOC. they were able to create solid NET ratings top to bottom by dominating bad teams and when conference play started up, they just beat up on each other. It inflated their resumes and exposed a major flaw in the system.
 
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man, if Florida doesn't comeback here then it's gonna hurt Wake's chances at that second Q1 win
 
ericd7633 said:
I think the Big East is better than the MWC, but teams get bids, not conferences. The committee can only evaluate what happens during the season. The P12 had a chance to keep a team like CSU out, but CSU beat Colorado and won on a neutral against Washington. Those games go through other way, Colorado skips Dayton, and CSU isn't close. SDSU was 3-0 against the P12, Nevada beat Washington. Yeah Washington isn't what I would consider a good team, but even they had some nice results OOC(wins over Gonzaga and Xavier). Utah was the team that let the P12 down. They had a great OOC, then decided to lose to all the bottom teams in the league.
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If the Big East is better than the MWC, the MWC shouldn't get twice as many teams in. Plain and simple. Going 10-8 in the MWC just simply isn't the same caliber of result as going 13-7 in the Big East. The committee should be smart enough to recognize that and put the appropriate value on the results of conference games.
 
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