Clemson Joins FSU in Suing the ACC To Get Out of Media Rights

Yeah I'm sure Kirby is really worried about playing Auburn and FL every year... one with a question mark HC and the other with a deadman walking HC..
I am going with history on that. Sure, neither is a problem right now, but both have won NCs this century and have been historically competitive. Not sure a UT fan should be talking down schools for underperforming. :beer2:
 
Clemson and FSU leaving is not as bad as OU and TX leaving. FSU has been down for years ... their TV numbers were not good until last year. And Clemson has been down the last few years due to Dabo's stubbornness. All that said, it will impact the value of the ACC, and if FSU and Clemson get out then others may follow.

Dennis Dodd wrote an article today that really hit on the idea that he isn't overly confident that FSU and Clemson have landing spots. it was an interesting read. I'll see if I can find it.

This part of the article is what I've been thinking didn't make sense. Are current teams in the SEC and B1G willing to take a cut in order to accommodate them?

"Insiders do not believe adding Florida State to one of those conferences makes much sense, financially, despite the program's strong brand. The Seminoles, by themselves, are not worth messing with the $60 million being handed out in revenue to SEC schools nor the $75 million getting paid out to Big Ten institutions."

The only available school that experts believe would bring more than the $60/$75 million is Notre Dame. What am I missing.
 
FSU won't be playing in the ACC in 2026. Argue with your mama
 
Clemson and FSU leaving is not as bad as OU and TX leaving. FSU has been down for years ... their TV numbers were not good until last year. And Clemson has been down the last few years due to Dabo's stubbornness. All that said, it will impact the value of the ACC, and if FSU and Clemson get out then others may follow.

Dennis Dodd wrote an article today that really hit on the idea that he isn't overly confident that FSU and Clemson have landing spots. it was an interesting read. I'll see if I can find it.

Yeah to me it feels like Clemson may be praying for an SEC invite. I don’t ever see the B1G taking Clemson fair or not. FSU could one day become an AAU school. Doesn’t seem Clemson will and that seems to matter to the B1G. Truthfully I believe the SEC only takes FSU to prevent the B1G from taking them. Feels like Clemson will be stuck. If I’m the B1G I try for UNC and FSU if it truly makes sense $$$$ wise.
 
This part of the article is what I've been thinking didn't make sense. Are current teams in the SEC and B1G willing to take a cut in order to accommodate them?

"Insiders do not believe adding Florida State to one of those conferences makes much sense, financially, despite the program's strong brand. The Seminoles, by themselves, are not worth messing with the $60 million being handed out in revenue to SEC schools nor the $75 million getting paid out to Big Ten institutions."

The only available school that experts believe would bring more than the $60/$75 million is Notre Dame. What am I missing.
Today's College Football Gods work in mysterious ways... :rolleyes2:

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This part of the article is what I've been thinking didn't make sense. Are current teams in the SEC and B1G willing to take a cut in order to accommodate them?

"Insiders do not believe adding Florida State to one of those conferences makes much sense, financially, despite the program's strong brand. The Seminoles, by themselves, are not worth messing with the $60 million being handed out in revenue to SEC schools nor the $75 million getting paid out to Big Ten institutions."

The only available school that experts believe would bring more than the $60/$75 million is Notre Dame. What am I missing.
The way they did the CFP split is also kind of weird and cuts against adding more good teams. The SEC and B1G will get a certain percentage of the CFP pie no matter how many of their teams get in. Both already have enough good teams such that they will get 3-5 in each year. This means that FSU and Clemson can't tell the SEC or B1G, "put is in your conference and we can earn you more CFP shares." This is really counter to what I thought they were going to do, and makes me wonder if that was done to discourage ACC realignment.

If the value that a team brings is (1) TV viewership, (2) CFP participation, and (3) market, the way the CFP is giving out money now - a set fee for each conference, then those teams' value for no. 2 is pretty much gone. The SEC and B1G have plenty of teams that will get in, and it doesn't really matter unless they have a drop off over a period of time. The SEC already has those markets. The B1G doesn't, but market isn't as big a piece of the finance pie.

I really can't see the SEC and B1G mid and lower tiers wanted to do this. Also, can you imagine Oregon and UW voting full shares to Clemson and FSU when they are on discounted shares for many years?
 
I am going with history on that. Sure, neither is a problem right now, but both have won NCs this century and have been historically competitive. Not sure a UT fan should be talking down schools for underperforming. :beer2:
everything comes in cycles.. Who knows if Kirby will even be there for the next few seasons? Panicking over a future of uncertainness is something.. and here I was lead to believe that SEC schedule is the SEC schedule.. Only to be in it now and learning there is a HUGE difference lol
 
It's like you've never been to a college football game and don't understand what drives the numbers. This is laughable. You just wiped out 112 teams out of 134. You really think TV ratings for 22 teams playing each other will be better than what we have now? In this scenario, Tennessee is the new Vanderbilt winning 4 games a season. You really want to be the cellar dweller in the new division? UNC is the new Rutgers. Nebraska is the new Kansas. Teams that win 10 games per year are now going to win 2-3 games per year and you think they will vote for this? None of what you say makes a lick of sense. Not from a school's perspective, not from a TV perspective, not for what actually makes the money in the sport. SMH.
Time will tell. So far lack of wins, and what drove numbers before hasn't meant much. Texas A&M, Mizzu, Texas and OU didn't come to the SEC to get more wins, Same for Nebraska , Maryland ect, with the BIG they went for more money and didnt give a rip who they left behind nor did the media partners who are paying out record high deals to monopolize the best brands. Yes I absolutely believe that a conference full of blue bloods would out rate and draw better attendance numbers than ones with match ups of Rutgers v Indiana and/or Vandy vs Mississippi State ect.
 
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Time will tell. So far lack of wins, and what drove numbers before hasn't meant much. Texas A&M, Mizzu, Texas and OU didn't come to the SEC to get more wins, Same for Nebraska , Maryland ect, with the BIG they went for more money and didnt give a rip who they left behind nor did the media partners who are paying out record high deals to monopolize the best brands. Yes I absolutely believe that a conference full of blue bloods would out rate and draw better attendance numbers than ones with match ups of Rutgers v Indiana and/or Vandy vs Mississippi State ect.
Your numbers are so far off it's not even funny. There is a reason that ESPN and Fox blanket TV slots during the CFB season. It's then old adage that I use in my business - "many streams make for a large river." It's true that the most money is driven by big games. But even the small games matter when there are hundreds more of them. Your scenario would drive away fans, exactly what the media people don't want. It would drive down the value of the Egg Bowl, as an example, that is one of thousands of small streams.

More importantly, when a team like Tennessee becomes the new Vanderbilt with a 4-8 record every year, we know what will happen. Go and look at your attendance the past few years verses back in the 90s and 00s. Your fans don't show up when you lose. When you are the new Vanderbilt, and about 25% of the teams in our new league will have badly losing records, what do you think your TV viewership is going to be like?

There has always been haves and have-nots in CFB. You need the have-nots for cannon fodder for the haves. A league full of haves will result in historical have's become have-nots. No one wants that, especially the people trying to sell advertising.

This isn't to say there won't be some consolidation. The most logical thing to do is split the G5 and P4. I actually think that would be to the benefit of the G5. And, the NCAA seems to be saying there will be a division where players get compensated and a division where they don't. So that might drive some realignment. But, the idea that you can take the 22 best teams and turn that into a league that people will enjoy simply ignores what makes CFB different from the NFL, IMO.
 
FSU won't be playing in the ACC in 2026. Argue with your mama

The ACC is not interested in settling or reducing anything, this is an existential threat to the conference so they're not going to bend one iota. It will drag out in the courts for a long time.

I'm betting they will remain in ACC. And I think ESPN extends. By the time it is finished in the courts either way, FSU will just pay the exit and the GOR will be lower and more manageable for the remaining years left on the term.
 
The ACC is not interested in settling or reducing anything, this is an existential threat to the conference so they're not going to bend one iota. It will drag out in the courts for a long time.

I'm betting they will remain in ACC. And I think ESPN extends. By the time it is finished in the courts either way, FSU will just pay the exit and the GOR will be lower and more manageable for the remaining years left on the term.
But he said ARGUE WITH YOUR MOMMA.

That has to count for something????
 
The ACC is not interested in settling or reducing anything, this is an existential threat to the conference so they're not going to bend one iota. It will drag out in the courts for a long time.

I'm betting they will remain in ACC. And I think ESPN extends. By the time it is finished in the courts either way, FSU will just pay the exit and the GOR will be lower and more manageable for the remaining years left on the term.

That's the way I see it.

Leaving the ACC won't likely happen until 2030 - 2033 timeframe. That's when the Big 10 and SEC media rights contracts expire.

The ACC GOR buyout will be considerably lower then.
 
“Both schools must officially leave the ACC before talks can begin with another conference. If not, get familiar with the phrase "tortious interference," which is a fancy legal term for tampering. You can bet ACC commissioner Jim Phillips has warned his Power Four peers to lay off illegal pursuits.“

I remember this term being brought up when A&M was about to leave the Big12 for the SEC. Oh you BETTER not be talkin to anyone else or there will be lawsuits..

A&M gave the Big12 the notice and before they could open their mouth to say goodbye they had an invitation from the SEC.

Must have been one heluva quick conversation between the SEC and A&M cause.. I’m sure there were no previous conversations 🤞
 
Miami has exited the conversation..



No seat at the big boy table for the Canes after all.
 
Miami has exited the conversation..



No seat at the big boy table for the Canes after all.

Perhaps they are realizing that there isn't much of a chance to win, and even if you do who wants you? I really think the SEC and B1G are closed for business for a while.
 
Miami has exited the conversation..



No seat at the big boy table for the Canes after all.


In the unlikely event that FSU or Clemson find a reasonable out, then Miami will change their stance on it.

They'll let FSU and Clemson spend the money on legal fees.
 
In the unlikely event that FSU or Clemson find a reasonable out, then Miami will change their stance on it.

They'll let FSU and Clemson spend the money on legal fees.
If Miami were to get back to its glory days, when it was competitive with FSU and Clemson, I think it would be a more attractive property. While the region doesn't matter as much, I think South Florida might be an exception. Just a feel.

That said, their fans suck, and their off-campus stadium is not good.
 
Yeah to me it feels like Clemson may be praying for an SEC invite. I don’t ever see the B1G taking Clemson fair or not. FSU could one day become an AAU school. Doesn’t seem Clemson will and that seems to matter to the B1G. Truthfully I believe the SEC only takes FSU to prevent the B1G from taking them. Feels like Clemson will be stuck. If I’m the B1G I try for UNC and FSU if it truly makes sense $$$$ wise.
Dude Clemson is a much higher rated institution of higher leaning than FSU.
 
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