Don't stick a fork in the ACC yet...

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Not to advocate believing anything found on reddit but this is interesting....



TL;DR...

Option A: The ACC has resumed talks with Utah in the hopes that Arizona and Arizona State will come back into play. This was their original desire.... partner Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State with each other in a western division. Oregon State and Washington State are picked up by the Big XII

Option B: The ACC has resumed talks with Utah under the assumption that the new division will be Cal, Stanford, Utah, Oregon State, and Washington State. This move has been made easier by the Pac-12's recent agreements with CW and FOX/CBS.

Option C: Only Utah is in play for membership.
 
Just add WSU & ORST and be done with it, ffs.
 
Does this mean some current ACC teams are moving on then? I mean is ESPN really going to pay Utah a bit more than what they are paying them now in the B12?
 
rfjeff9 said:
Might as well. ACC gets new money for each new state added.

But looks like they want Utah regardless.
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It’s absolutely amazing to me how the ACC, Big 12, and Pac12 conf heads can be such colossal fuckups and hurt their own confs more than anything else.

They’re the assholes who are most responsible for the current state of CFB. Especially the Pac12 as a whole and Big12 in 2014.
 
Knight&Day said:
It’s absolutely amazing to me how the ACC, Big 12, and Pac12 conf heads can be such colossal fuckups and hurt their own confs more than anything else.

They’re the assholes who are most responsible for the current state of CFB. Especially the Pac12 as a whole and Big12 in 2014.
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"Sign of the Times"... :nod:

CFB is gonna end up as one BIG...

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...just like our country has been becoming. :tsk:
 
Knight&Day said:
It’s absolutely amazing to me how the ACC, Big 12, and Pac12 conf heads can be such colossal fuckups and hurt their own confs more than anything else.

They’re the assholes who are most responsible for the current state of CFB. Especially the Pac12 as a whole and Big12 in 2014.
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To their defense the ACC at the time THOUGHT they had made a smart move by locking in their contract and GOR for a long time. You can fault them for not having the foresight to negotiate the contract for a shorter time but at the time it DID seem like sound move for the conference but… things changed and now they are about to be left behind due to that long term deal.
The PAC… well they cut their own throats by thinking that they were equal value to the BIG/SEC when clearly they weren’t. Very poor /out of touch leadership.
 
CoalTrain said:
To their defense the ACC at the time THOUGHT they had made a smart move by locking in their contract and GOR for a long time. You can fault them for not having the foresight to negotiate the contract for a shorter time but at the time it DID seem like sound move for the conference but… things changed and now they are about to be left behind due to that long term deal.
The PAC… well they cut their own throats by thinking that they were equal value to the BIG/SEC when clearly they weren’t. Very poor /out of touch leadership.
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Yeah. The contract was great, until SEC and B1G contract details came out.
 
Knight&Day said:
It’s absolutely amazing to me how the ACC, Big 12, and Pac12 conf heads can be such colossal fuckups and hurt their own confs more than anything else.

They’re the assholes who are most responsible for the current state of CFB. Especially the Pac12 as a whole and Big12 in 2014.
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Huh? The Big 12 has been poached by the B1G (Nebraska), SEC (Mizzou, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas) and Pac-12 (Colorado), but they are responsible for all of this? If anything, the Big 12 has been a super suvivor and doing a-okay in this mess created by others (SEC and B1G mostly). They have only added schools after being poached and offerred schools looking for a step up and / or safe landing space i.e. UCF. FWIW, I like the current make-up of the Big 12 and look forward to the Knights visiting Jack Trice Stadium on 10/19.
 
78Cyclones said:
Huh? The Big 12 has been poached by the B1G (Nebraska), SEC (Mizzou, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas) and Pac-12 (Colorado), but they are responsible for all of this? If anything, the Big 12 has been a super suvivor and doing a-okay in this mess created by others (SEC and B1G mostly). They have only added schools after being poached and offerred schools looking for a step up and / or safe landing space i.e. UCF. FWIW, I like the current make-up of the Big 12 and look forward to the Knights visiting Jack Trice Stadium on 10/19.
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100%, Credit to the former and current leadership for the Big12, all things considered it’s amazing that they still exist at all.

I’ve been curious to see what the ACC might do to try n at least stay alive similar to the Big12. This move (Utah) may or may not be legit but I would expect the ACC to start making moves of some kind to try n stay “Big12 relevant” (meaning that neither will be near SEC/BIG regardless) post valuable brand departures which seem to be coming sooner rather than later. Personally I expect the more eastern schools in the Big12 (WVU,UCF,Cincy) to be the first to be contacted and tempted due to travel budget advantages that the ACC might be able to offer but.. that’s assuming the money for both the ACC and Big12 would be close post FSU,Clemson,UNC ect. leaving which… may not be, we’ll see. Maybe the ACC’s deal with Notre Dame will keep the conference from reaching AAC levels of revenue but again, we’ll see how it shakes out.
 
78Cyclones said:
Huh? The Big 12 has been poached by the B1G (Nebraska), SEC (Mizzou, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas) and Pac-12 (Colorado), but they are responsible for all of this? If anything, the Big 12 has been a super suvivor and doing a-okay in this mess created by others (SEC and B1G mostly). They have only added schools after being poached and offerred schools looking for a step up and / or safe landing space i.e. UCF. FWIW, I like the current make-up of the Big 12 and look forward to the Knights visiting Jack Trice Stadium on 10/19.
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I do too from a purely competitive standpoint. I think it is and will be the most balanced conference. I don't see any one school(s) being at the top season after season like some of the other conferences.

But, that parity may bite them in the butt when it comes to CFP spots.
 
CoalTrain said:
100%, Credit to the former and current leadership for the Big12, all things considered it’s amazing that they still exist at all.

I’ve been curious to see what the ACC might do to try n at least stay alive similar to the Big12. This move (Utah) may or may not be legit but I would expect the ACC to start making moves of some kind to try n stay “Big12 relevant” (meaning that neither will be near SEC/BIG regardless) post valuable brand departures which seem to be coming sooner rather than later. Personally I expect the more eastern schools in the Big12 (WVU,UCF,Cincy) to be the first to be contacted and tempted due to travel budget advantages that the ACC might be able to offer but.. that’s assuming the money for both the ACC and Big12 would be close post FSU,Clemson,UNC ect. leaving which… may not be, we’ll see. Maybe the ACC’s deal with Notre Dame will keep the conference from reaching AAC levels of revenue but again, we’ll see how it shakes out.
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Just curious why you think the ACC isn't already "Big 12 relevant"? IMO they occupy about the same level of national viewer interest as the Big 12 does. But, I may be missing something.

And, I doubt adding Utah changes the viewer dynamics much. JMO.
 
78Cyclones said:
Huh? The Big 12 has been poached by the B1G and SEC, but they are responsible for all of this? If anything, the Big 12 has been a super suvivor and doing a-okay in this mess created by others.
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It’s actually mostly the Pac12’s fault. I said that. Almost no exposure to a nationwide audience because of horrible time slots and pushing lame Olympic sports that nobody watches. Said lack of exposure leads to a lack of competitiveness because of recruiting and such.

Yeah, the Big12 deserves some blame because of the “one true champion” stunt they pulled in 2014 with TCU & Baylor. The delayed realignment thing also didn’t help (I think it was 2017). Big12 apparently showed interest in a handful of teams (BSU, UCF, USF, BYU, and I think Memphis), said teams all do a big self-promotion thing, then the Big12 backpedals and doesn’t add anyone.

By comparison, most of the stupidity that the ACC engages in seems small and insignificant. Courting Big12 teams instead of adding WSU/ORST, leaving FSU out in the cold in the recent CFP, etc.
 
Knight&Day said:
It’s actually mostly the Pac12’s fault. I said that. Almost no exposure to a nationwide audience because of horrible time slots and pushing lame Olympic sports that nobody watches. Said lack of exposure leads to a lack of competitiveness because of recruiting and such.

Yeah, the Big12 deserves some blame because of the “one true champion” stunt they pulled in 2014 with TCU & Baylor. The delayed realignment thing also didn’t help (I think it was 2017). Big12 apparently showed interest in a handful of teams (BSU, UCF, USF, BYU, and I think Memphis), said teams all do a big self-promotion thing, then the Big12 backpedals and doesn’t add anyone.

By comparison, most of the stupidity that the ACC engages in seems small and insignificant. Courting Big12 teams instead of adding WSU/ORST, leaving FSU out in the cold in the recent CFP, etc.
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All of this is totally the Big12’s fault. They allowed Texas and Oklahoma to create a two tier system and piss off Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and aTm.

If they had an equal revenue share like the SEC and the B1G (used to have) and equal voting rights and Longhorn network then nobody leaves.

Two teams can’t carry a conference but Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and aTm would have been plenty to boast ratings. There would have been some big ratings games between those schools.

My bet is the PAC still implodes because of how terribly it was run and how they handled COVID but wouldn’t have been surprised if USC had reached out to the Big 12 as well at that point because their revenue package and travel would have been much better.

Anyone that says otherwise is mistaken.
 
Wild Turkey said:
All of this is totally the Big12’s fault. They allowed Texas and Oklahoma to create a two tier system and piss off Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and aTm.

If they had an equal revenue share like the SEC and the B1G (used to have) and equal voting rights and Longhorn network then nobody leaves.

Two teams can’t carry a conference but Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and aTm would have been plenty to boast ratings. There would have been some big ratings games between those schools.

My bet is the PAC still implodes because of how terribly it was run and how they handled COVID but wouldn’t have been surprised if USC had reached out to the Big 12 as well at that point because their revenue package and travel would have been much better.

Anyone that says otherwise is mistaken.
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Dan Beebe says "HI".

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I can understand why the ACC would want Utah. I don't understand why Utah would want to join the ACC.

ACC did the same thing last year about Oregon and Washington joining the conference. Utah, Arizona and ASU already explored the ACC option and decided the Big 12 was the better option (and I think they were right). Why would they reverse course now that the ACC looks more vulnerable?
 
CoalTrain said:
100%, Credit to the former and current leadership for the Big12, all things considered it’s amazing that they still exist at all.

I’ve been curious to see what the ACC might do to try n at least stay alive similar to the Big12. This move (Utah) may or may not be legit but I would expect the ACC to start making moves of some kind to try n stay “Big12 relevant” (meaning that neither will be near SEC/BIG regardless) post valuable brand departures which seem to be coming sooner rather than later. Personally I expect the more eastern schools in the Big12 (WVU,UCF,Cincy) to be the first to be contacted and tempted due to travel budget advantages that the ACC might be able to offer but.. that’s assuming the money for both the ACC and Big12 would be close post FSU,Clemson,UNC ect. leaving which… may not be, we’ll see. Maybe the ACC’s deal with Notre Dame will keep the conference from reaching AAC levels of revenue but again, we’ll see how it shakes out.
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I think the ACC has already taken steps in preparing for the eventual departure of FSU, Clemson, UNC and possibly others. It's no coincidence that Stanford, California and SMU were brought into the conference and FSU, Clemson and UNC were the only "no" votes. Those are the replacement schools. I think there are others schools that could be on the ACC's radar. A western branch that includes Oregon State and Washington State makes sense. USF would make sense, especially if the ACC loses Miami and FSU. UConn wouldn't be a bad fit either.
 
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