Don't stick a fork in the ACC yet...

Bring Back The Oilers said:
Florida should go ahead and jump to the ACC.

They ain't about to do a damn thing in the SEC in at least another half century.
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The thing Florida is going to do in the next half century is cash those big SEC checks. They ain't going anywhere. Wouldn't bother me one bit if they did jump. They can take A&M, Mizzu, and South Carolina with them. Then the ACC can keep FSU and Clemson.
 
Wild Turkey said:
The ACC isn’t going to lose Miami. I just recently watched the ESPN 30 for 30 on “The U” both part 1 & 2 and neither the SEC or B1G are going to touch them as there has been more BS and illegal shit going down with that program that I’d forgotten a third of it and never heard of another third and the third I remembered was bad enough. They missed a potential death penalty because the NCAA got caught doing some sketchy stuff in their investigation and had to just drop the charges.

Not to mention if the B1G invited them it would almost guarantee ND would never join.
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Definitely not a SEC take. We don’t put up with that rule breaking shizza.
 
CoalTrain said:
Definitely not a SEC take. We don’t put up with that rule breaking shizza.
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I don't see a scenario where Florida doesn't lose their mind if the SEC were to take both FSU and Miami. For one the pressure to make those 3 yearly opponents would be off the charts and that would mean that Florida would lose some traditional rivalries, it would be giving up a huge recruiting advantage in the state and both schools just plain hate each other.

I wouldn't be shocked if Florida tried to block it with a lawsuit (not that it makes any difference but pretty sure the threat would be issued).

We aren't talking about adding Texas over aTm's objections we are talking about adding a school with a very sketchy past against the objections of an SEC OG. Texas was a home run but if you potentially have Florida and FSU then Miami does nothing to move the needle.
 
duckboy33 said:
That's the beauty of settling. The GOR stands and you make it too expensive for most to leave.
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Nonsense. If you settle, you are telling UNC, Clemson, and the others that you need to keep that the GOR can't stand up. All they have to do is file a suit, and you will settle with them. The issues raised by FSU aren't specific to them. Settling is losing for the ACC. All they have to lose is a couple million in fees. That's nothing to a business like that.
 
duckboy33 said:
If the ACC has this approach, it could go way of the PAC 12. If it loses in court, it will be a mad dash out. Make it expensive to leave and end the lawsuits.
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How does settling make it expensive to leave? The GOR makes it expensive to leave. You never settle if you think you are right on the law, and I think they think they are right on the law. FSU has thrown all sorts of bullshit against the wall, very little of which means anything.
 
duckboy33 said:
Maybe but you have to answer a few questions.

1) Do you have a spot in the Big Ten or SEC? Nobody will pay a huge exit fee to go to the Big 12. The payouts in the ACC vs. the Big 12 are pretty similar. You have to be 100% confident that you have a spot in the P2 before you even entertaining paying the penalty.
2) Can you afford it and are you willing to pay it?
3) What are the political obstacles? UNC has an NC State problem. Think UCLA and Cal. UCLA owes Cal a big chunk of money. You could see similar dynamics for UNC. UCLA was willing to do it but they didn't have to pay a huge exit penalty which the ACC schools would be subjected to?

I think UNC ultimately leaves. Not sure what "others" you are referencing. Maybe Miami.
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If your logic is that only a few have a place to go, all the more reason to litigate it to the end. If you are basically saying that the only ones with a landing spot are FSU and Clemson, then you litigate to the end. If you lose it doesn't matter because, as you contend, no one has anywhere to go. You litigate to the end to get all the money from FSU and Clemson or hold them in.

If you look at what people are saying, we know that FSU and Clemson will go somewhere in the P2. Likely the B1G. I really don't see the value in UNC and UVa, and as you point out UNC has the NCSU problem to deal with. So, if all we are talking about are two teams there is less of an incentive to settle. As an attorney, no one is afraid of litigation. The conference doesn't look bad here, if that matters, and they have a ton of money to spend. They can easily drag it out 3 or 4 years. These cases take time, and then the appeals take time, too.
 
duckboy33 said:
If the ACC wants to fight this to the end, they may end up in the scenario you are hoping to afford. Settling lets you set the bar to exit high. If the ACC fights it in court, they could end up losing. Then it's a true free for all and the conference is either destroyed or becomes unrecognizable. It's a big gamble to fight this to the end.
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Settling lowers the bar. The bar is set ... about $500 million. How can you not see that ... settling inherently means you are giving up part of your current position? Their current position is media rights until 2036 + exit fees. That's too high. They will stick to their guns. You've given no rational reason to settle.
 
duckboy33 said:
The minute they are available, the Big Ten and SEC will offer FSU. The SEC may not "need" FSU but they won't want to share the Florida market with the Big Ten. The Big Ten will want FSU. There's no "may" about it.
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Explain why VU, Ky, MU, MSU, OM, USCjr, UF, AU, ATM would want another team in the SEC better than them? And that's assuming that UGA, UT, OU, UA, and LSU are ambivalent. FSU, at best, gets pro rata money, so no one makes more. Scheduling is fucked up. The have to additive CFP value. So, how do you convince that first set of schools to let in another team that is likely to beat them when they get nothing back from it?
 
ralphiewvu said:
While it’s a long shot I could see Duke as a possibility as a partner for UNC to the B1G. The basketball rivalry factor with them and Maryland plus the excellent academics they possess. It is very similar to UVA. Although still I think Duke would be a long shot. I just don’t think the SEC will want VaTech or NCSt for much of the same reason they don’t want WVU, the value just isn’t there to add to everyone else’s slice of pie. It sucks but it’s reality imo.

I believe Utah could go to the B1G, I just don’t think the B1G has decided when they are going to stop adding teams. There is a possibility too that the B1G doesn’t add anyone until ND leaves independence and joins a conference.
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Politically, can't happen. Recent legislation in NC ties NCSU to UNC for conference realignment.
 
ralphiewvu said:
For real?
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Also, a lot of recent discussion about the amount of money the state of NC has invested in the ACC ... moving the corporate office to Charlotte, guarantees of championships in the state, etc. The legislature is going to be involved one way or another. They see the ACC as an investment.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Also, a lot of recent discussion about the amount of money the state of NC has invested in the ACC ... moving the corporate office to Charlotte, guarantees of championships in the state, etc. The legislature is going to be involved one way or another. They see the ACC as an investment.
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While I think that’s very smart, it’s probably more valuable from a TV perspective to rotate Among the major cities some of their universities are in and around for championships in the bigger sports. But the state getting involved to try and keep the ACC together and in NC isn’t a bad thing imo.
 
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