Do FSU & Clemson Have A Landing Spot?

WhosYourDawggy said:
There is no doubt that if you get clear of the GOR, the P2 is going to have some interest. What I think the article stands for is that the P2 has no desire to get involved until you get clear of the ACC. Moreover, you do have problems - the SEC probably doesn't want two more teams that will be losses for many of its existing members, and the B1G does in fact care about AAU status. If I had to guess, I would think you end up in a P2 at some point. But this idea that it's all cleared and they are just waiting for you never made sense to me. The last thing they want to to do is get caught up in litigation.
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You old hairy dawg supporting attorney!! You keep saying “…the SEC doesn’t want two more teams that will be losses for many of its existing members…”. If so why did they add Texas and OU?

Oops, I didn’t think that through. Those won’t be losses, huh?😂
 
Deep Creek said:
You old hairy dawg supporting attorney!! You keep saying “…the SEC doesn’t want two more teams that will be losses for many of its existing members…”. If so why did they add Texas and OU?

Oops, I didn’t think that through. Those won’t be losses, huh?😂
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At least Texas was a very cooperative and not at all a disruptive member in the BIG 12
Which was a big selling point :angel:
 
TaikoTiger said:
True and would be a more accurate article title than


But I get it. Go ahead and get those clicks 💰
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I get that you want the P2 invite, so this is bad news for you. But if you read the article he is simply sharing what he has heard from the sources that he has. This is the time of year where the conferences have their meetings, as you know, so he has max access to the top people this month. Sure there are inconsistencies, but he's just reporting what he is hearing.

Nothing in his article is a surprise to anyone not a Clemson or FSU fan.

- It's natural the conferences would wonder if they want schools in their conference that after 10 years of collecting money suddenly sue the conference and demand that confidential IP be revealed even though they agreed to it a decade ago.

- The idea that either P2 conference wouldn't want to get involved with the mess that is going to go on for years - that's how litigation works in real life - shouldn't surprise anyone.

- The idea that the B1G values AAU is no surprise. To their credit, but Clemson and FSU have come far in getting better rankings over the last decade. But AAU is special, something Clemson won't get for lack of certain requirements ... a med school for starters.

Etc, etc.
 
Deep Creek said:
You old hairy dawg supporting attorney!! You keep saying “…the SEC doesn’t want two more teams that will be losses for many of its existing members…”. If so why did they add Texas and OU?

Oops, I didn’t think that through. Those won’t be losses, huh?😂
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Timing, my friend, timing. You seem to miss that concept with ATM/Mizzou, and OU/TX.

If Clemson/FSU came before OU/TX, then the SEC is likely more interested. But, with the addition of OU/TX having already happened, the schools are saying "timeout, if they don't increase the size of the pie, the extra losses aren't worth it." FSU and Clemson, at best, earn an even share. They don't increase the pie like OU and TX did.

Also, OU/TX >>>>>> FSU/Clemson in so many ways. And that's not to take away from the fact that Clemson/FSU are the two teams that are capable of drawing viewers. Just from a history perspective, brand perspective, OU/TX >>>>> Clemson/FSU.

FWIW, it's not my opinion about this ... the schools that mutinied when they tried to go to a 9 game IC schedule let it be known that was the case. It's common sense. MSU, Arky, USCjr, and other low end teams like UF don't want more losses ... they have all they can handle right now.
 
TaikoTiger said:
At least Texas was a very cooperative and not at all a disruptive member in the BIG 12
Which was a big selling point :angel:
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In reality, on their way out they weren't disruptive. They waited 3 years and paid their exit fees. Same can't be said of Clemson and FSU.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Timing, my friend, timing. You seem to miss that concept with ATM/Mizzou, and OU/TX.

If Clemson/FSU came before OU/TX, then the SEC is likely more interested. But, with the addition of OU/TX having already happened, the schools are saying "timeout, if they don't increase the size of the pie, the extra losses aren't worth it." FSU and Clemson, at best, earn an even share. They don't increase the pie like OU and TX did.

Also, OU/TX >>>>>> FSU/Clemson in so many ways. And that's not to take away from the fact that Clemson/FSU are the two teams that are capable of drawing viewers. Just from a history perspective, brand perspective, OU/TX >>>>> Clemson/FSU.
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I miss many concepts. The only one I understand is that it is all about the money. This is an exclusive club. You are only allowed in if you bring enough money. No pobres allowed.
 
Deep Creek said:
I miss many concepts. The only one I understand is that it is all about the money. This is an exclusive club. You are only allowed in if you bring enough money. No pobres allowed.
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So, let's talk money. We agree on that. Clearly, with the SEC's contracts being renegotiated at the same time TX/OU made it known they were available, there would be more money. The same is not true for FSU/Clemson. At best, they get an even share. So, I'm MSU's AD, and I will vote to allow Clemson/FSU in, knowing that it is two more losses for me 90% of the time, and for that, I get ... what? No more money. Worse scheduling (18 is more complex than 16).

I've tried to explain this over and over. There comes a time with too many good teams is simply not going to work for the mid/lower teams. And they have a say in this. They made that clear in the IC scheduling mutiny.
 
Deep Creek said:
You’ll never convince the aggies or corn aggies of this!
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I mean, leaving in and of itself is disruptive. That I get. I don't think the P2 is concerned about them leaving. It's how it is being done, which some find offensive.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Here's a very well connected journalist with way better sources than the Twitteriots saying FSU and Clemson do not have landing spots in the P2. The most interesting aspect of this is how many said it's because they wouldn't be a good partner. Going after the conference commissioner and exposing the agreements turns out to not be a good idea perhaps.

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I have been saying all along - this overall tantrum FSU is throwing looks pretty bad to B1G presidents.
 
Deep Creek said:
why did they add Texas and OU?
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WhosYourDawggy said:
I mean, leaving in and of itself is disruptive. That I get. I don't think the P2 is concerned about them leaving. It's how it is being done, which some find offensive.
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You don’t understand. According to aggies and corn aggies, Texas is ALWAYS disruptive.
 
outofyourmind said:
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Bububububutttttt, bring Texas and OU in should be two more losses for many SEC teams. According to that hairy dawg attorney, the lower level SEC teams don’t want to bring in more teams that will cause additional losses. I guess those same teams have a price point at which they are willing to accept two more losses. OU and Texas exceeded that price point.
 
Deep Creek said:
Bububububutttttt, bring Texas and OU in should be two more losses for many SEC teams. According to that hairy dawg attorney, the lower level SEC teams don’t want to bring in more teams that will cause additional losses. I guess those same teams have a price point at which they are willing to accept two more losses. OU and Texas exceeded that price point.
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That's true ... MSU's AD was fine with an extra loss per year if he got an extra $10 million for baseball and other programs. The earliest you will see any extra from Clemson/FSU is 2034.
 
www.saturdaydownsouth.com

Hayes: Source says FSU's advisors 'doing them a disservice' in fight to leave ACC

A Big Ten source told Matt Hayes that FSU is getting bad advice in its public attempt to leave the ACC and find a new conference.
www.saturdaydownsouth.com

Sounds like the B1G REALLY doesn't like how FSU is handling themselves:

When asked Tuesday if Florida State’s process of leaving the ACC would end with a spot in the Big Ten, a Big Ten source told Saturday Down South, “I don’t know who’s advising (FSU) right now, but they’re doing them a disservice.”

“They’re showing themselves to not be a dependable partner,” a second Big Ten source told Saturday Down South. “At the end of the day, you have to trust your partners. You have to know everyone is zeroed in on the same goal, the same future.”

Over the past 3 months, Big Ten sources have told Saturday Down South that FSU wasn’t a “fit” with the league or a dependable “partner” with its public extraction from the ACC.


Now lets put this in perspective you have second tier media person at best talking with second tier people employed by B1G entities (which may have agendas as well) making these comments and reporting them. However this pass the smell test and common sense would tell you that FSU is making huge mistakes in how they are handling the situation.
 
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