More Michigan Cheating

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It must grind your gears that in the last 50 years both Michigan and Ohio State have the same number of national titles.
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No, Maize, they don’t.

The Suckeyes have two, UM has one. :facepalm:
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
LOL ...



Michigan fans: There's no proof Stallions was linked to the staff. He was a lone wolf so we are good.

Normal fans: Well a lot of coaches have already been fired or left the school and if the draft NOA is correct, servers were destroyed, text messages were deleted, documents were smuggled out of the building by players, players were told to lie by coaches and EVERYONE refused to cooperate with the investigation. Seems like destroying evidence IS evidence no?

Michigan fans: We are the real victims here!! Someone is leaking information of how we cheated for 4 years!!
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lol

Me - "no one thinks this way but ohio state fans and people who hate Michigan"
You - "everyone thinks that"
Me - "here's evidence of unbiased media members saying this is BS"
You - "Look at what this Ohio State fan says on Twitter"

:facepalm:
 
Knight&Day said:
No, Maize, they don’t.

The Suckeyes have two, UM has one. :facepalm:
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Even if you want to believe that lie, I'm not sure saying OSU has 1 more in 50 years is the argument you think it is....
 
fordman84 said:
I'm certain you are one of those types that have said "I don't care if we only win one game, if we beat <insert arch-rival name here> then it's a successful season".

Now you don't say that anymore and the game is worthless unless there is only a 4 team playoff. I've seen some goalposts get moved before but you just put these on a whole other fucking planet in this thread.
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Oh yes. I would have been. CFB has functionally been ruined though. I'd still like to beat Ohio State based purely on my long standing fandom and history watching those games, but I'd wager a fan growing up now will have an entirely different perspective on that game in 20-30 years.

That said, when I'm saying they're worthless I'm saying that in terms of the national perspective and meaning in relation to the playoff. The biggest games in the past would have found both teams with playoff spots locked, with a pre-determined matchup the very next week in the B10 title game. yay.....
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Because it used to be meaningful. The B10 and NCAA have done everything possible to turn it into just another game -- probably because Ohio State can't win it anymore. Can't have the B10's 2nd best team missing the playoff now can we?

If last year was applied to this system, Michigan and Ohio State play again the very next weekend....both are guarnteed playoff spots and would have a good shot at playing again weeks later in the 12 team playoff. Garbage system.
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You continue to say some dumb shit. In no way will that game ever mean nothing. Even if they will play again
 
Does anyone besides MSU/OSU fans think this is going to amount to anything more than a slap on the wrist?

There's not going to be a postseason ban or vacated games.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Does anyone besides MSU/OSU fans think this is going to amount to anything more than a slap on the wrist?

There's not going to be a postseason ban or vacated games.
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Depends on what you call a slap on the wrist.

- Moore will get a show-cause which will result in him being suspended 3-6 games without pay. Because it won't be done until after the 2025 season, there is a chance UM lets him go because they are going to suck for the next few years.

- Show cause for all the other coaches.

- $5 - $10 million fine

I know that Maze says you have to have ineligible players to get games vacated. I'd like to see that rule. I guess that they can do that if they determine you have an unfair advantage (that's what playing an ineligible player does, which gives you an unfair advantage). I can see the NCAA, if they want to really crack down on UM, say that they had an unfair advantage for the games that Stalion used scouted signs.

I don't think they will vacate the NC because it's not really an NCAA thing ... the CFP stands on its own. But we will all know it is tainted.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Depends on what you call a slap on the wrist.

- Moore will get a show-cause which will result in him being suspended 3-6 games without pay. Because it won't be done until after the 2025 season, there is a chance UM lets him go because they are going to suck for the next few years.

- Show cause for all the other coaches.

- $5 - $10 million fine

I know that Maze says you have to have ineligible players to get games vacated. I'd like to see that rule. I guess that they can do that if they determine you have an unfair advantage (that's what playing an ineligible player does, which gives you an unfair advantage). I can see the NCAA, if they want to really crack down on UM, say that they had an unfair advantage for the games that Stalion used scouted signs.

I don't think they will vacate the NC because it's not really an NCAA thing ... the CFP stands on its own. But we will all know it is tainted.
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I'd be surprised if any of that happened.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
I'd be surprised if any of that happened.
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The first three I mentioned are absolutely going to happen. Have you not read any of the things leaked about the draft NOA?

The only thing in doubt is the length of Moore's suspension, the amount of the fine, and whether they have games vacated. But all the coaches involved will get show cause penalties.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Depends on what you call a slap on the wrist.

- Moore will get a show-cause which will result in him being suspended 3-6 games without pay. Because it won't be done until after the 2025 season, there is a chance UM lets him go because they are going to suck for the next few years.

- Show cause for all the other coaches.

- $5 - $10 million fine

I know that Maze says you have to have ineligible players to get games vacated. I'd like to see that rule. I guess that they can do that if they determine you have an unfair advantage (that's what playing an ineligible player does, which gives you an unfair advantage). I can see the NCAA, if they want to really crack down on UM, say that they had an unfair advantage for the games that Stalion used scouted signs.

I don't think they will vacate the NC because it's not really an NCAA thing ... the CFP stands on its own. But we will all know it is tainted.
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What do you think a show cause is? It just means if they get hired elsewhere they have to “show cause” on why the ncaa should allow it and not penalize them during the specific period of the penalty. It actually has no impact on the current school or employment. Moore might get a game, at most two, but he's not being suspended half a season for something that was initially (without repeat offender status) a level 2 violation.

as I said the ncaa has never vacated wins for any other reason than ineligible players playing. In person scouting will likely be deemed secondary violations; and the ncaa has certainly never taken away wins for secondary violations of any scope.

The ncaa is mad because some people lied to them (on two separate investigations) -- stallions outright refused to cooperate and he’s making a Netflix doc about it. So they’re dinging coaches for nonsense. theyre not vacating wins because Moore deleted text messages or partridge told a player not to tell them anything. You know, the only level 1 violations were accused of.
 
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
What do you think a show cause is? It just means if they get hired elsewhere they have to “show cause” on why the ncaa should allow it and not penalize them during the specific period of the penalty. It actually has no impact on the current school or employment. Moore might get a game, at most two, but he's not being suspended half a season for something that was initially (without repeat offender status) a level 2 violation.

as I said the ncaa has never vacated wins for any other reason than ineligible players playing. In person scouting will likely be deemed secondary violations; and the ncaa has certainly never taken away wins for secondary violations of any scope.

The ncaa is mad because some people lied to them (on two separate investigations) -- stallions outright refused to cooperate and he’s making a Netflix doc about it. So they’re dinging coaches for nonsense. theyre not vacating wins because Moore deleted text messages or partridge told a player not to tell them anything. You know, the only level 1 violations were accused of.
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You absolutely have to show cause for continuing someone's employment under a show cause penalty. It doesn't just apply to new hires.

I'm not sure what penalties, if any, scUM receives, and frankly, I don't care, but stop acting like there is precedent to what was done here. Scouting is about getting tendencies and seeing patterns. This was never about that. This was done to steal play calls and know the exact play or type of play about to be run.

So you saying the NCAA has never vacated wins except for ineligible players is true, but that's because nothing exactly like this has been seen before that I know of
 
broncosmitty said:
Dudes the GOAT advance scout.
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My favorite thing is that some people have truly convinced themselves it had an impact on the field; even after Michigan continued to dominate after.

Honestly the ncaa did us a favor by doing it mid season because it gave clear evidence that it wasn’t impactful.
 
fishinabarrel said:
You absolutely have to show cause for continuing someone's employment under a show cause penalty. It doesn't just apply to new hires.

I'm not sure what penalties, if any, scUM receives, and frankly, I don't care, but stop acting like there is precedent to what was done here. Scouting is about getting tendencies and seeing patterns. This was never about that. This was done to steal play calls and know the exact play or type of play about to be run. So you saying the NCAA has never vacated wins except for ineligible players is true, but that's because nothing exactly like this has been seen before that I know of
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You, in fact, dont. You’re entirely wrong about that. Because under the show cause the ncaa has already penalized the employee and likely school (michigan). The show cause is to prevent a coach from committing major violations and then jumping to another school to escape them. Whatever the ncaa rules here along with the show cause will be the end of it at Michigan and only impact future employment during the penalized period at other schools.

I have to apparently repeat. Sign stealing is legal. In person scouring to get information is illegal. A seemingly minor violation by even the ncaas own words and void of any major violations relating to in this initial draft.

Now. Do they come up with something because of the volume and “scheme” of secondary violations. Maybe?

The ncaa isn’t vacating wins. And if they do, by their own presidents admission, it isn’t going to be the one buckeye fans care about because it came after this was announced.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
My favorite thing is that some people have truly convinced themselves it had an impact on the field; even after Michigan continued to dominate after.

Honestly the ncaa did us a favor by doing it mid season because it gave clear evidence that it wasn’t impactful.
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My favorite thing is the Natty. Nobody beat them.

It clearly didn’t hurt. All things considered.
 
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