More Michigan Cheating

broncosmitty said:
My favorite thing is the Natty. Nobody beat them.

It clearly didn’t hurt. All things considered.
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Winning the natty was good but for some reason when I look back at the season one of my favorite moments, likely gleefully jumping, was that 4th down stop against Bama and winnng the rose bowl.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You, in fact, dont. You’re entirely wrong about that. Because under the show cause the ncaa has already penalized the employee and likely school (michigan). The show cause is to prevent a coach from committing major violations and then jumping to another school to escape them. Whatever the ncaa rules here along with the show cause will be the end of it at Michigan and only impact future employment during the penalized period at other schools.

I have to apparently repeat. Sign stealing is legal. In person scouring to get information is illegal. A seemingly minor violation by even the ncaas own words and void of any major violations relating to in this initial draft.
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There are other rules in a show cause other than the transfer of violations. Michigan will absolutely have to follow those if Moore continues to be head coach. There is a reason why most coaches hit with season or longer show causes no longer continue to be employed by their schools, even if they are good. If any infractions occur, even minor cheeseburger ones, or self reported ones that many colleges report a ton of, the NCAA is more likely to be harsher with a coach on a show cause.

And like you have been told countless times when you repeat that sign stealing is legal, it is only legal when it is done through legal scouting means.
 
fishinabarrel said:
There are other rules in a show cause other than the transfer of violations. Michigan will absolutely have to follow those if Moore continues to be head coach. There is a reason why most coaches hit with season or longer show causes no longer continue to be employed by their schools, even if they are good. If any infractions occur, even minor cheeseburger ones, or self reported ones that many colleges report a ton of, the NCAA is more likely to be harsher with a coach on a show cause.

And like you have been told countless times when you repeat that sign stealing is legal, it is only legal when it is done through legal scouting means.
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The reason that most coaches leave is that most coaches hit with a show cause are directly involved in level 1 violations and fired by the school before the show cause is even implemented. This is clearly not the case for Moore, who was just hired and the school was fully aware of every allegation at the time.
It means the coach’s employing school must convince the NCAA it has sufficiently punished the coach, such as by firing or suspending him or her. The NCAA can sanction a school if it determines the school’s punishment scheme was inadequate. A show-cause penalty also haunts the coach if they secure a new NCAA coaching job, since the new school can potentially face sanctions for hiring the coach.
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This follows a coach to any institution they go to since that new school can face NEW penalties for hiring the coach during the show cause period. Another aspect:
a show-cause penalty is just that: a penalty requiring the employer of a penalized coach to appear before a committee every six months how and why said coach has stayed in line with the NCAA rulebook. It does not say a coach must be fired, or that he or she can not be rehired by another school.
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Michigan and the NCAA will likely have an agreed upon punishment when/if a show cause is issued for a current staff member and that will pretty much be the end of it; unless that coach wants to leave at some point to another school. Obviously this does not impact their NFL opportunities. All of the coaches who bolted for the NFL, who get a show cause, will have no impact outside of if they want to return to the college game. Then the institution who hires them will likely have to levie a NEW punishment.

And like I said a million times. Sign stealing is always legal. How you gather the information is regulated; and violations are almost certainly minor offenses.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
My favorite thing is that some people have truly convinced themselves it had an impact on the field; even after Michigan continued to dominate after.

Honestly the ncaa did us a favor by doing it mid season because it gave clear evidence that it wasn’t impactful.
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LMAO @ "dominate"
 
The way I see this playing out. I've told everyone from the start that this story was sensationalized during the season because it involved a huge school, huge controversial name (harbaugh), and Michigan was one of the top teams at the time. They took a story about minor NCAA violations and blew it up for clicks; and buckeye/spartan fans ate it up. Some people got caught up in that sensationalized story to think that 1. It was the reason Michigan was good and 2. The NCAA was going to hammer them because they viewed these as major violations.

What's happening now. Leaks are coming out that illustrate the actual allegations weren't as serious as the sensationalized stories for clicks made them out to be and people like Pete Thamel are backing away from any talk of serious punishment. The story is shifting to violations that involve disobedience with the NCAA and not anything to do with the sensationalized sign stealing scheme so many people (including posters on here) got caught up in believing.

What happens next is that Michigan, as rational fans predicted, will likely get a slap on the wrist. Maybe a fine. Maybe some scholarship losses. Former coaches who they deemed disobedient get a show cause from the NCAA. And predictably, the next conversation shift will be "of course the NCAA looked the other way for Michigan". "of course they got off easy". "The NCAA has no teeth". You can start to see that shift already happening in the last few pages here.
 
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Across The Field said:
LMAO @ "dominate"
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Michigan faced every single ranked team on their schedule after this news broke. 3 of those games our head coach was suspended for. And Michigan beat those teams 262-109 AFTER this news broke. Yeah, dominate.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Michigan faced every single ranked team on their schedule after this news broke. 3 of those games our head coach was suspended for. And Michigan beat those teams 262-109 AFTER this news broke. Yeah, dominate.
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LMAO that wasn't domination. You barely escaped Ohio State and Bama. Penn State & Maryland were way closer than they should have been, and Washington was a one score game midway through the 4th (and let's not forget the two massive calls michigan received to pull away there also). Congrats on dominating Iowa, even though it was only their third worst shutout loss of the year, but otherwise michigan was not dominant after Stallions was fired.
 
Across The Field said:
LMAO that wasn't domination. You barely escaped Ohio State and Bama. Penn State & Maryland were way closer than they should have been, and Washington was a one score game midway through the 4th (and let's not forget the two massive calls michigan received to pull away there also). Congrats on dominating Iowa, even though it was only their third worst shutout loss of the year, but otherwise michigan was not dominant after Stallions was fired.
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You mean....two of the top 5 best teams in CFB? And Ohio State and the Penn State wins were without a head coach....

I like how you tried to use portions of games before we dominated to suggest that we didn't. lol. That's a good one. "well. in the first quarter of the Maryland game...."
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You mean....two of the top 5 best teams in CFB? And Ohio State and the Penn State wins were without a head coach....

I like how you tried to use portions of games before we dominated to suggest that we didn't. lol. That's a good one. "well. in the first quarter of the Maryland game...."
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So you barely escaped and did not dominate OSU and Bama, as I said. Also Moore is your head coach, so I'm not sure how you can argue there was some major dropoff there. When Day filled in for Urban in 2018 for 3 games, no OSU fans were acting like that was some hinderance, so I'm not sure why it suddenly applies for your narrative here.

I'm not using portions before you dominated, dumbshit. Both Maryland and PSU were close games in which you did not actually dominate. You finally pulled away from Washington (the second lowest rated team to ever make the CFP), but it was a very close game for the first 3.5 quarters. Only Iowa was a "dominant" win, and they were trash.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
My favorite thing is that some people have truly convinced themselves it had an impact on the field; even after Michigan continued to dominate after.

Honestly the ncaa did us a favor by doing it mid season because it gave clear evidence that it wasn’t impactful.
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So you believe that once they got caught for this, everything they were doing up to that point stopped? Oh look we are good boys now...

They did this for 3 years, if it didnt help they wouldnt have done it. Those 3 years of cheating built that team.
 
ellupo said:
So you believe that once they got caught for this, everything they were doing up to that point stopped? Oh look we are good boys now...

They did this for 3 years, if it didnt help they wouldnt have done it. Those 3 years of cheating built that team.
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It helped stallions. His job became easier. Not Michigan.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Does anyone besides MSU/OSU fans think this is going to amount to anything more than a slap on the wrist?

There's not going to be a postseason ban or vacated games.
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Nope. It will be a "Jim can't coach in college again" because that is no big loss. There will be a monetary penalty that is recovered with some prime schedule next year, and the worst will be a couple game ban on Crybaby so the NCAA can save face as if they have any authority and power.
 
fordman84 said:
Nope. It will be a "Jim can't coach in college again" because that is no big loss. There will be a monetary penalty that is recovered with some prime schedule next year, and the worst will be a couple game ban on Crybaby so the NCAA can save face as if they have any authority and power.
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I do not expect much to happen other than maybe a suspension of a game or two for their previously suspended coach and money. There could also be some loss of scholarships for a short period. Overall this wont be very serious but it sure has been fun.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
What do you think a show cause is? It just means if they get hired elsewhere they have to “show cause” on why the ncaa should allow it and not penalize them during the specific period of the penalty. It actually has no impact on the current school or employment. Moore might get a game, at most two, but he's not being suspended half a season for something that was initially (without repeat offender status) a level 2 violation.

as I said the ncaa has never vacated wins for any other reason than ineligible players playing. In person scouting will likely be deemed secondary violations; and the ncaa has certainly never taken away wins for secondary violations of any scope.

The ncaa is mad because some people lied to them (on two separate investigations) -- stallions outright refused to cooperate and he’s making a Netflix doc about it. So they’re dinging coaches for nonsense. theyre not vacating wins because Moore deleted text messages or partridge told a player not to tell them anything. You know, the only level 1 violations were accused of.
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None of this is nonsense, no matter how far you stick your head in the ground.

I know exactly what a show-cause is. It's normally put on someone who has been fired. If Moore's behavior would be the level of putting a show-cause, and it is as a repeat cheater, UM will have to show cause as to why he should remain the coach. That could lead to his firing, or more likely a suspension.

I know what you said, and I am disagreeing. They vacate wins when using ineligible players because you got a competitive advantage. You got a competitive advantage knowing the other teams signs. So, I think that will be considered.

Of course, they are mad ... you are a bunch of low, arrogant, cheating motherfuckers. I hope they throw the book at you. They should.
 


Lmao. Harbaugh is such a clown.
 
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