More Michigan Cheating

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I legitimately don't know. Under his reign he's let arguably the best basketball, best football and best baseball coach in Michigan history leave while fighting tooth and nail to keep a serial abuser as the hockey coach. He then hires Juwan who punches another coach....and doesn't get fired until he absolutely bombs. Even here, he didn't have to say shit. But instead of not saying anything he decides to say some "things came up" to the media about Moore's contract? Just absolute dunce. Fucking master class in doing everything wrong.
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You're not kidding. As far as the basketball coach thing goes, are you talking about Belein? I thought he went to the NBA, so I wouldn't really put that on Warde, but good god the Juwan Howard shit was unreal. He should've been fired the second he punched the other coach. If there does end up being penalties from the NCAA for this, I can't imagine there's a scenario where he keeps his job.
 
Voltaire said:
9-4ish is a good team. A team you shouldn't take for granted, but it is just a good team ... on a 1-10 scale 6.5.
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Sure, I don't disagree with you. But 9-4 is the aspiration for someone at like Purdue or Minnesota, not michigan. Certainly not with a coaching hire that received that much hoopla.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Believing any of the deflection & mental gymnastics coming from dUMb fans take a gigantic retarded leap of faith, common sense is not their strong point.
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Well think about it. For basically 20 years their program underachieved, was owned by their biggest rival (and only .500 against MSU in that timeframe), and then the coach that was the prodigal son for their program comes back, struggles to meet expectations, nearly gets fired, and then suddenly you reel off 40 wins, 3 B1G titles, beat OSU 3 times, and win a NC all in 3 years. Then it turns out the NCAA is investigating you for a multitude of shit, including on-field cheating. It keeps getting worse and worse as more comes out, and now their current head coach doesn't even have enough trust from the AD to be offered a formal contract.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
YOU claimed this was funded by the school. I said there’s no evidence of that.The only one flip flopping is you because you know what you said was wrong.

The university and no one on the coaching staff funded this. That’s what I’ll make a bet on. And I’ll even say that nil groups weren’t involved.

What I can’t say is that some individual booster wasn’t involved. You trying to equate a booster funding a 3rd party to a school funding a 3rd party is crazy.
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I looked back through your posts in this thread and you have flip flopped all over the map about everything, but specifically looking at who paid for this you have gone from "no one because it didn't happen" to "it's not illegal for the school to buy tickets for others" (as if that is even the fucking topic) and on and on.

So if you think no rules were broken in the funding of this scheme and Stallions was just buying some buddies some tickets on his own dime, then take the fucking bet. Stallions said in his documentary that he paid for everything on his own, and I call that bullshit.
 
Red_Alert said:
Yeah, you clearly added the word "coaching" to my word "staff".

It's not going to matter to the NCAA in the big scheme of things. A staffer (on Michigan's payroll) had been breaking the rules (to the word) for years to benefit the Michigan football program.
To give the Michigan football an edge on the playing field over it's opponents.
Said staffer's breaking of the rules (cheating) was benefitting the coaches and the overall program.
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I’ve had that in there the whole conversation.
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You added the word "coaching" to my word "staff", because that's what you've been doing the whole time?

Got it..... You're trying to distract.

Stalions was a member of the Michigan football staff. He was employed (paid) by the football department.

Stalions was as culpable in the failure to comply with NCAA rules as anyone in the program, coach or not.

The Michigan football program was benefitting in practice and on the field of play in knowing all of their opponents signs in advance of the games. A paid staffer used In-person Scouting of Future Opponents, using electronic means, to give them an advantage. That's what the NCAA knows.

The nuts and bolts of the rule breaking operation is actually secondary since most of the coaches (who may or may not have been in the know) have moved on. It's the Michigan football program that'll be held responsible.

Page 272 and maze&blew still doesn't get it.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Stallions was not part of the coaching staff. These are very defined rolls by the NCAA. Teams are allowed X number of on field coaches. Teams are allows X number of on field analysts and off the field analysts.

Stallions being on staff an an analyst and funding this himself does not mean that Michigan was funding this.
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See. He didn't fund this himself. He may have laundered funds through his venmo, but it wasn't his money to start with. Otherwise he would have to be the highest paid "analyst" in the country.
 

fordman84 said:
I looked back through your posts in this thread and you have flip flopped all over the map about everything, but specifically looking at who paid for this you have gone from "no one because it didn't happen" to "it's not illegal for the school to buy tickets for others" (as if that is even the fucking topic) and on and on.

So if you think no rules were broken in the funding of this scheme and Stallions was just buying some buddies some tickets on his own dime, then take the fucking bet. Stallions said in his documentary that he paid for everything on his own, and I call that bullshit.
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I haven’t. At all. It would be illegal for the school to buy tickets for someone to scout in person.

It isn’t against the rules for stallions to buy tickets for a 3rd party to film. It’s certainly a violation of the spirit of the rule. It isn’t a blatant violation of the rule itself. That may be enough for the ncaa. Who knows.

That said. There is no evidence that this scheme extends beyond stallions. Especially in terms of funding. You said the school funded it. It did not
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I haven’t. At all. It would be illegal for the school to buy tickets for someone to scout in person.

It isn’t against the rules for stallions to buy tickets for a 3rd party to film. It’s certainly a violation of the spirit of the rule. It isn’t a blatant violation of the rule itself. That may be enough for the ncaa. Who knows.

That said. There is no evidence that this scheme extends beyond stallions. Especially in terms of funding. You said the school funded it. It did not
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Play your semantics game. I laid out the bet, take it or don't.
 
fordman84 said:
Play your semantics game. I laid out the bet, take it or don't.
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I will bet that the university nor the coaching staff nor an NIL fund funded stallions. If your argument is that there’s some entity unknown that funded him that hasn’t been leaked yet? Maybe but certainly a long shot, especially if it’s beyond a single individual. The evidence right now is that stallions funded this entirely on his own.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I will bet that the university nor the coaching staff nor an NIL fund funded stallions. If your argument is that there’s some entity unknown that funded him that hasn’t been leaked yet? Maybe but certainly a long shot, especially if it’s beyond a single individual.
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ok if it is a long shot then take my bet. here it is again:

So the bet is if Stallions did or didn't pay for the tickets, hotel, equipment, flights, or anything else related to this scheme. If at any point a single cent was paid or laundered through Stallions from another person or organization then you lose.
 
fordman84 said:
ok if it is a long shot then take my bet. here it is again:

So the bet is if Stallions did or didn't pay for the tickets, hotel, equipment, flights, or anything else related to this scheme. If at any point a single cent was paid or laundered through Stallions from another person or organization then you lose.
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Sure. Let’s let it ride.

What are we saying is the end point for this? Ncaa investigation over? And we’re not going off Twitter rumors. This has to be documented by an official entity.
 
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sure. Let’s let it ride.

What are we saying is the end point for this? Ncaa investigation over? And we’re not going off Twitter rumors. This has to be documented by an official entity.
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And to be clear. I fully know that I risk losing this because there was already an individual rumored to be tied to this “Mr T”. Which actually seems to totally plausible.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
And to be clear. I fully know that I risk losing this because there was already an individual rumored to be tied to this “Mr T”. Which actually seems to totally plausible.
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MR T :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound:

it was "Uncle T". The same supposed guy continues to flap his gums on dUMb's on3 insider board.

not this guy

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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sure. Let’s let it ride.

What are we saying is the end point for this? Ncaa investigation over? And we’re not going off Twitter rumors. This has to be documented by an official entity.
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I will never see the official report, so it will have to come from a reporter or twitter.

So to be clear, Stallions getting any money from anyone other than the University means I win.
 
fordman84 said:
I will never see the official report, so it will have to come from a reporter or twitter.

So to be clear, Stallions getting any money from anyone other than the University means I win.
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The ncaa report is public. All ncaa reports are.

We have the ncaa documentary and stallions says he funded it himself. By your terms how does that not make me the winner without something official?
 
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