More Michigan Cheating

[Red_Alert]

I don't know if someone else outside the UNiversity paid for it -- that isn't an NCAA violation and the NCAA has no power to enforce that. If the school funded it, as you claimed, that would be a pretty massive bombshell. I will absolutely bet you that the school, or coaching staff, didn't fund it.

It should be pretty obvious that someone else was funding the rule breaking through Stalions. Who that was I have no idea.
Most likely a booster, or even one of the higher paid coaches and paid in cash.

What we do know is that at least one person on the Michigan football staff knew about the In-Person Scouting of Future Opponents, and using electronic means to do so.
That "at least one person" is Stalions himself.

So it really doesn't matter if a booster was funding it.
It doesn't matter if it were third parties doing the In-person Scouting of Michigan's Future Opponents and using electronic devices to do so.
A Michigan football staffer knew about it and knew it was providing them an unfair advantage on the playing field for three years.

The entire purpose of the two NCAA rules are to even the field of play. Knowingly breaking them is cheating and there will be punishment forthcoming.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm going to guess it has to do with deleting text messages and the potential punishment being discussed for that.

But that information came out in August, over 6 months after he was named coach, so that wouldn't be it.

 

[osubuckeye89]

But that information came out in August, over 6 months after he was named coach, so that wouldn't be it.

Michigan is the North Korea of college football with all of the sunshine pumping and comical misinformation that comes from the dear leaders there.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Essentially tried to con players and recruits into thinking there's stability in the program. They have absolutely no integrity.

 

[Across The Field]

That was the only difference. It wouldn't have been every single year. But if Michigan had two big ten titles in the first 6 years and then 3 in the last 3, you wouldn't be arguing "see, they all of a sudden got good".

So you're regularly getting smoked by Ohio State, losing at least 2 other games each and every year, only being in contention for the division title 33% of the time WITHOUT actually factoring in the OSU game (which you lost every year), finished 2 games under .500 in 2020... and then reel off 40 wins in 3 years, winning the Big Ten each year while only losing 1 conference game in those 3 years. Yeah dude, that's the definition of "coming out of nowhere".

 

[fordman84]

You said it was school funded


I don't know if someone else outside the UNiversity paid for it -- that isn't an NCAA violation and the NCAA has no power to enforce that. If the school funded it, as you claimed, that would be a pretty massive bombshell. I will absolutely bet you that the school, or coaching staff, didn't fund it.

And I consider NIL groups to be part of the school since they would be working directly for the benefit of the team. You have spent nearly a year flip flopping around on if an "analyst is not a staff member", if a booster is a staff member, if Stallions buying them and getting reimbursed is the reimburser paying for the tickets.

I'm removing any and all wiggle room. Even in this post you are trying to fuck around and make wiggle room. So the bet is if Stallions did or didn't pay for the tickets, hotel, equipment, flights, or anything else related to this scheme. If at any point a single cent was paid or laundered through Stallions from another person or organization then you lose.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

And I consider NIL groups to be part of the school since they would be working directly for the benefit of the team. You have spent nearly a year flip flopping around on if an "analyst is not a staff member", if a booster is a staff member, if Stallions buying them and getting reimbursed is the reimburser paying for the tickets.

I'm removing any and all wiggle room. Even in this post you are trying to fuck around and make wiggle room. So the bet is if Stallions did or didn't pay for the tickets, hotel, equipment, flights, or anything else related to this scheme. If at any point a single cent was paid or laundered through Stallions from another person or organization then you lose.

YOU claimed this was funded by the school. I said there’s no evidence of that.The only one flip flopping is you because you know what you said was wrong.

The university and no one on the coaching staff funded this. That’s what I’ll make a bet on. And I’ll even say that nil groups weren’t involved.

What I can’t say is that some individual booster wasn’t involved. You trying to equate a booster funding a 3rd party to a school funding a 3rd party is crazy.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

But that information came out in August, over 6 months after he was named coach, so that wouldn't be it.

Maybe they're just waiting until the NCAA case is settled completely.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It should be pretty obvious that someone else was funding the rule breaking through Stalions. Who that was I have no idea.
Most likely a booster, or even one of the higher paid coaches and paid in cash.

What we do know is that at least one person on the Michigan football staff knew about the In-Person Scouting of Future Opponents, and using electronic means to do so.
That "at least one person" is Stalions himself.

So it really doesn't matter if a booster was funding it.
It doesn't matter if it were third parties doing the In-person Scouting of Michigan's Future Opponents and using electronic devices to do so.
A Michigan football staffer knew about it and knew it was providing them an unfair advantage on the playing field for three years.

The entire purpose of the two NCAA rules are to even the field of play. Knowingly breaking them is cheating and there will be punishment forthcoming.

Stallions was not part of the coaching staff. These are very defined rolls by the NCAA. Teams are allowed X number of on field coaches. Teams are allows X number of on field analysts and off the field analysts.

Stallions being on staff an an analyst and funding this himself does not mean that Michigan was funding this.

 

[Across The Field]

Maybe they're just waiting until the NCAA case is settled completely.

Hmm. Almost as if there's reason to believe he's going to be implicated in all of this and they'll have to fire him.

Where have I seen this before? Something about a michigan coach working without a contract because of a scandal which led to him being fired... oh yeah, Mel Pearson. 2 years ago. What the fuck is wrong with your athletic department?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Hmm. Almost as if there's reason to believe he's going to be implicated in all of this and they'll have to fire him.

Where have I seen this before? Something about a michigan coach working without a contract because of a scandal which led to him being fired... oh yeah, Mel Pearson. 2 years ago. What the fuck is wrong with your athletic department?

Well, first off, we all want Warde fired because he fucks up literally everything -- including that Mel thing. He wasn't even going to fire him until it pissed everyone off. I don't share that concern with Moore.

 

[Across The Field]

Well, first off, we all want Warde fired because he fucks up literally everything -- including that Mel thing. He wasn't even going to fire him until it pissed everyone off. I don't share that concern with Moore.

The nature of the scandal is different (not that michigan football has been short of massive piles of human shit completely unrelated to Stallions), but yeah, I can see why you guys want Warde fired. How the hell does he still even have a job?

 

[osubuckeye89]

Hmm. Almost as if there's reason to believe he's going to be implicated in all of this and they'll have to fire him.

Where have I seen this before? Something about a michigan coach working without a contract because of a scandal which led to him being fired... oh yeah, Mel Pearson. 2 years ago. What the fuck is wrong with your athletic department?

Yep if the NCAA case really is a big nothing like their sunshine pumpers keep feeding them then whats the hold up on actually contracting Moore? Maybe because it's more than nothing.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

The nature of the scandal is different (not that michigan football has been short of massive piles of human shit completely unrelated to Stallions), but yeah, I can see why you guys want Warde fired. How the hell does he still even have a job?

I legitimately don't know. Under his reign he's let arguably the best basketball, best football and best baseball coach in Michigan history leave while fighting tooth and nail to keep a serial abuser as the hockey coach. He then hires Juwan who punches another coach....and doesn't get fired until he absolutely bombs. Even here, he didn't have to say shit. But instead of not saying anything he decides to say some "things came up" to the media about Moore's contract? Just absolute dunce. Fucking master class in doing everything wrong.

 

[Red_Alert]

Stallions was not part of the coaching staff. These are very defined rolls by the NCAA. Teams are allowed X number of on field coaches. Teams are allows X number of on field analysts and off the field analysts.

Stallions being on staff an an analyst and funding this himself does not mean that Michigan was funding this.

There you go with the mental gymnastics by adding the word "coaching" to staff. I never used the word "coaching". I said "staff".

He was on the payroll of the Michigan athletic department. Specifically for football.

He was on the Michigan football staff. His job was in support of the Michigan football program.

Michigan's compliance department is responsible that the entire football program from the athletic director, head coach, all the way down the chain remains in compliance of NCAA rules.

The In-person Scouting of Future Opponents, using electronic means is a failure to comply. It's a Lack of Institutional Control.
Adding that to the previous failure to comply issues (recruiting), it's become a "Pattern of Noncompliance"

Page 271 and maze&blew still doesn't get it.

 

[Voltaire]

They were fine, but it certainly wasn't what was expected considering his coaching history. You can take the Covid year out of the equation if you want, and michigan was still on average a 9-4ish team.

9-4ish is a good team. A team you shouldn't take for granted, but it is just a good team ... on a 1-10 scale 6.5.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

There you go with the mental gymnastics by adding the word "coaching".

He was on the payroll of the Michigan athletic department. Specifically for football.

He was on the Michigan football staff. His job was in support of the Michigan football program.

Michigan's compliance department is responsible that the entire football program from the athletic director, head coach, all the way down the chain remains in compliance of NCAA rules.

The In-person Scouting of Future Opponents, using electronic means is a failure to comply. It's a Lack of Institutional Control.
Adding that to the previous failure to comply issues (recruiting), it's become a "Pattern of Noncompliance"

Page 271 and maze&blew still doesn't get it.

I've been pretty clear here. There should be no confusion.

 

[Red_Alert]

I've been pretty clear here. There should be no confusion.

Yeah, you clearly added the word "coaching" to my word "staff".

It's not going to matter to the NCAA in the big scheme of things. A staffer (on Michigan's payroll) had been breaking the rules (to the word) for years to benefit the Michigan football program.
To give the Michigan football an edge on the playing field over it's opponents.
Said staffer's breaking of the rules (cheating) was benefitting the coaches and the overall program.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Yeah, you clearly added the word "coaching" to my word "staff".

It's not going to matter to the NCAA in the big scheme of things. A staffer (on Michigan's payroll) had been breaking the rules (to the word) for years to benefit the Michigan football program.
To give the Michigan football an edge on the playing field over it's opponents.
Said staffer's breaking of the rules (cheating) was benefitting the coaches and the overall program.

I’ve had that in there the whole conversation.

 

[Across The Field]

Yep if the NCAA case really is a big nothing like their sunshine pumpers keep feeding them then whats the hold up on actually contracting Moore? Maybe because it's more than nothing.

That's the only scenario that makes any sense.