More Michigan Cheating

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Well he was lined up as a TE, not a wideout, as he was lined up directly next to the LT. Again, you can't deduce tendencies from a play that's never been run out of a formation that has never been used without knowing ahead of time what it is.

Also, in the statement you linked, I see nothing at all stating they didn't find anything football-related on his computer. It simply states that investigation was unrelated, which is true because that specific investigation was initiated because he was committing cybercrimes.

Problem here is you've called everything you don't like a conspiracy or something along those lines. Remember when you said Stallions on the CMU sidelines was a conspiracy? The NCAA has evidence it's true. Remember when you said Stallions acted as a "lone wolf" and nobody else knew? The NCAA has evidence that multiple team interns and at least one staff member knew about it. Also if this idea that they had our practice footage is so outrageous, why did Stallions remove servers from the team's offices in 2023? What could have possibly been on those servers? But sure, alleging that the offensive coordinator who was found guilty of cybercrimes related to hacking could have never hacked OSU's practice film. That's just insane. Just like every other thing that has turned out to be true, right?

No, the problem is you are basing your entire theory off a conspiracy theory -- an unsupported rumor that makes no sense a year later.

There is a legitimate explanation for this and it's simple -- Michigan made a good play and scouted Ohio State well.

Yes, a lot of this came out and came out quick. And some of it seemed silly to start. But we're a year out. If Michigan was hacking Ohio State this wouldn't be sealed still.

 

[Voltaire]

I already did. Teams have tendencies; players line up in a certain formation or at certain spots and do certain things. This is how scouting works. Michigan might not have even been triggered to the screen by the TE lining up as a wideout -- it could have been who they brought in (a different RB?) a formation they were in, or any number of things. That's how scouting works. That's how defenses scout and prepare for teams. Let me put it in other terms, if Michigan brings in Alex Orji in any formation (even one they've never run) what do you think Michigan is going to do? (hint: run Alex Orji)

If you think someone hacked Ohio State -- who are they and how have they not been charged by now? this isn't something bound to an NCAA investigation.

And if you're going to say Matt Weiss, we already had a statement on this from a year ago


So in your conspiracy, an unnamed, not arrested, individual hacked Ohio State practice footage, gave it to Michigan and that's how we spotted a TE screen in 2022/2023?

Seriously, after Russian Collusion, Ukraine Quid Pro Quo, January 6th, Christine Blasey Ford, etc ... You probably should be bring up bullshit conspiracies. You are not a proper messenger for this.

 

[Across The Field]

That is a question I have been asking. Why is in-person scouting against the rules ... because some teams (that fill the stadiums, sell merch, have TV contract, etc $$$$$$) can't afford it.

Again, the better question is - if there's no advantage to doing it, why would he have shelled out tens of thousands for at least 58 games to do it? Why was one specific team (take a guess who that was) scouted at 7 different games in 2022? Why risk his job and reputation if there was nothing to be gained?

 

[fordman84]

That is a question I have been asking. Why is in-person scouting against the rules ... because some teams (that fill the stadiums, sell merch, have TV contract, etc $$$$$$) can't afford it.

It's against the rules because it is against the rules. If you don't like the rule then change it but don't break it and expect to have no punishment. There are tons of rules and laws I don't agree with but that doesn't matter one bit.

There is a reason it is on the books. Every other school seems to be able to abide by it, but UM thinks is special and it doesn't apply to them. They are about to find out otherwise.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

"tHeRe'S No aDvAnTaGe To iN-PeRsOn ScOuTiNg oF FuTuRe oPPoNeNtS uSiNg eLeCtRoNiC MeAnS, bUt We'Re gOnnA SpEnD aLL tHiS MoNeY aNd TiMe dOiNg iT"

Great point -- there isn't one. The advantage was that it made Stallion's job easier, which is what I've said from the start. The advantage wasn't to the football team, it was to stallions -- who instead of having to dig through hours of footage to get the information he needed, he was able to just get the film of exactly what he needed.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Seriously, after Russian Collusion, Ukraine Quid Pro Quo, January 6th, Christine Blasey Ford, etc ... You probably should be bring up bullshit conspiracies. You are not a proper messenger for this.

This is more in the ballpark of "we didn't land on the moon" and not "what is your definition of insurrection"

 

[fordman84]

Again, the better question is - if there's no advantage to doing it, why would he have shelled out tens of thousands for at least 58 games to do it? Why was one specific team (take a guess who that was) scouted at 7 different games in 2022? Why risk his job and reputation if there was nothing to be gained?

And dipshits hairball and stallions think if they claim Stallions paid for it himself and it was just to help out his friends then he is free.

Once again a dumbass thinks he is smarter than everyone else and is going to find out otherwise. Prisons and unemployment lines are full of those people.

 

[Across The Field]

No, the problem is you are basing your entire theory off a conspiracy theory -- an unsupported rumor that makes no sense a year later.

There is a legitimate explanation for this and it's simple -- Michigan made a good play and scouted Ohio State well.

Yes, a lot of this came out and came out quick. And some of it seemed silly to start. But we're a year out. If Michigan was hacking Ohio State this wouldn't be sealed still.

See, you calling this a conspiracy theory holds no merit considering all the other stuff you've called a conspiracy theory has been true. Again, you dodge the question of how "scouting" would somehow allow you to perfectly deduce a play that could not have possibly been scouted.

Also, OSU wasn't given a copy of the NOA, only michigan was. So using your reasoning, if this was not part of the allegations - and moreso, if the NOA wasn't that damning in total - why hasn't anyone come out with that yet?

 

[fordman84]

Great point -- there isn't one. The advantage was that it made Stallion's job easier, which is what I've said from the start. The advantage wasn't to the football team, it was to stallions -- who instead of having to dig through hours of footage to get the information he needed, he was able to just get the film of exactly what he needed.

Then the institution should have been aware and put a stop to it. But they lacked that control.

 

[Across The Field]

Great point -- there isn't one. The advantage was that it made Stallion's job easier, which is what I've said from the start. The advantage wasn't to the football team, it was to stallions -- who instead of having to dig through hours of footage to get the information he needed, he was able to just get the film of exactly what he needed.

So I'm the conspiracy theorist but you think a dude shelling out tens of thousands of dollars to "make his job easier" when he's making low level staffer money just makes all the sense in the world.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

See, you calling this a conspiracy theory holds no merit considering all the other stuff you've called a conspiracy theory has been true. Again, you dodge the question of how "scouting" would somehow allow you to perfectly deduce a play that could not have possibly been scouted.

Also, OSU wasn't given a copy of the NOA, only michigan was. So using your reasoning, if this was not part of the allegations - and moreso, if the NOA wasn't that damning in total - why hasn't anyone come out with that yet?

ESPN was given a draft. Weird that "hacking ohio state practice film" wasn't part of it.....

Your suggestion is a conspiracy because it meets all the requirements. It's an entirely unsupported rumor that makes absolutely no sense given the facts that we have now.

 

[Red_Alert]

The rumor at the time was that he inappropriately accessed Cade's email account, Cade was somehow notified of the breach, and that's what started this -- which actually makes more sense now that the Iowa stuff came out with Cade.

Everything on the Michigan end that was released suggests he was in trouble for accessing accounts within the University.

If he was hacking other Universities, I feel like that would have leaked by now. Too many people would know about that.

No idea, and not gonna go there with the Weiss thing.
The Stalions thing is bad enough on it's own and there's no doubt what was going on there. The Stalions violations are unquestionably in the NOA.
Something like hacking into another universities practice film would just be icing on the cake.

 

[Voltaire]

It's against the rules because it is against the rules. If you don't like the rule then change it but don't break it and expect to have no punishment. There are tons of rules and laws I don't agree with but that doesn't matter one bit.

There is a reason it is on the books. Every other school seems to be able to abide by it, but UM thinks is special and it doesn't apply to them. They are about to find out otherwise.

I'm not saying they didn't break the rule (I don't know) and I am not accusing any other team. I am just asking what is the purpose and how serious is the rule. Driving 5 miles over the speed limit is against the law, so is murder. There is a world of difference between the two.

On a scale of 1 to 10 where is in-person scouting. Please explain your answer so I can understand.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So I'm the conspiracy theorist but you think a dude shelling out tens of thousands of dollars to "make his job easier" when he's making low level staffer money just makes all the sense in the world.

Stallions is a proven nutcase. His goal was to make Michigan proud and seemingly did everything to do that. So I think a dude dedicating his entire existence to Michigan football makes a ton of sense. He spent his money to make his job easier and to look good to the coaching staff.

You have a guy that spends his life's fortune to attend memorials for former players, dressed in costume and sign his catchphrase. We have Stallions.

 

[Voltaire]

This is more in the ballpark of "we didn't land on the moon" and not "what is your definition of insurrection"

Let's start with being armed.

 

[Red_Alert]

That is a question I have been asking. Why is in-person scouting against the rules ... because some teams (that fill the stadiums, sell merch, have TV contract, etc $$$$$$) can't afford it.

Yes. It's a means of leveling the playing field economically.

 

[fordman84]

I'm not saying they didn't break the rule (I don't know) and I am not accusing any other team. I am just asking what is the purpose and how serious is the rule. Driving 5 miles over the speed limit is against the law, so is murder. There is a world of difference between the two.

On a scale of 1 to 10 where is in-person scouting. Please explain your answer so I can understand.

To give you an honest answer I need data I don't have. If it is just in person scouting by a single person in the nose-bleeds who is enjoying the game and looking for trick plays then not much to be gained.

If it is a single person, or persons, sitting behind the team bench and using video cameras then there is a TON of data that can be gained and later sorted through that the shared game tapes just don't pick up because they don't have that angle and every coach in the world knows they don't have that angle.

 

[Across The Field]

ESPN was given a draft. Weird that "hacking ohio state practice film" wasn't part of it.....

Your suggestion is a conspiracy because it meets all the requirements. It's an entirely unsupported rumor that makes absolutely no sense given the facts that we have now.

I mean, it actually makes a ton of sense, you just don't want to admit it. An OC being investigated for hacking by the FBI and a former staffer removing hard drives from the team's football offices. Not a stretch in the slightest, you just haven't come up with the right spin for if this also turns out to be true, just like everything else.

ESPN got a leaked draft well before it was formally sent to michigan, meaning it likely wasn't even complete, as they reported. So many things you said were made up conspiracies turned out to be true, but this also has to just be a conspiracy? Sorry, I know this is hard for you.

 

[Across The Field]

Stallions is a proven nutcase. His goal was to make Michigan proud and seemingly did everything to do that. So I think a dude dedicating his entire existence to Michigan football makes a ton of sense. He spent his money to make his job easier and to look good to the coaching staff.

You have a guy that spends his life's fortune to attend memorials for former players, dressed in costume and sign his catchphrase. We have Stallions.

We have a guy with season tickets that he's had for decades. You have an employee of the university spending tens of thousands sending people to at least 20 games a season in order to blatantly cheat. We are not the same.

 

[Red_Alert]

Great point -- there isn't one. The advantage was that it made Stallion's job easier, which is what I've said from the start. The advantage wasn't to the football team, it was to stallions -- who instead of having to dig through hours of footage to get the information he needed, he was able to just get the film of exactly what he needed.

LOL

Stalions was on the Michigan football staff. He was an employee of the Michigan athletic department. He was on the Michigan sidelines telling the OC/DC/HC exactly what plays their opponents were going to run so they they could adjust their O and D formations.

Of course Michigan benefitted from him In-person Scouting of Future Opponents, using electronic means.