More Michigan Cheating

Across The Field said:
I mean, it actually makes a ton of sense, you just don't want to admit it. An OC being investigated for hacking by the FBI and a former staffer removing hard drives from the team's football offices. Not a stretch in the slightest, you just haven't come up with the right spin for if this also turns out to be true, just like everything else.

ESPN got a leaked draft well before it was formally sent to michigan, meaning it likely wasn't even complete, as they reported. So many things you said were made up conspiracies turned out to be true, but this also has to just be a conspiracy? Sorry, I know this is hard for you.
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It makes a ton of sense that it would be useful to do. Yes, if Michigan could have hacked into OSU's system and stolen practice footage that would be useful. It would also be useful for Ohio State to hack into Michigan's practice footage and do the same thing.

That's not what doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that there's no evidence that this happened, anyone capable of doing this was involved in any way, no charges of this have every been mentioned by any authority and the NCAA draft to ESPN, and now full NOA to Michigan, mentions this 0%.

It's a conspiracy because it lacks anything to legitimize the claim other than "this is a far fetched possibility on why Michigan beat Ohio State on a single play".
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL

Stalions was on the Michigan football staff. He was an employee of the Michigan athletic department. He was on the Michigan sidelines telling the OC/DC/HC exactly what plays their opponents were going to run so they they could adjust their O and D formations.

Of course Michigan benefitted from him In-person Scouting of Future Opponents, using electronic means.
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Michigan got the same data they would have had anyway. Stallions benefited because he spent less time collecting it.
 
Across The Field said:
We have a guy with season tickets that he's had for decades. You have an employee of the university spending tens of thousands sending people to at least 20 games a season in order to blatantly cheat. We are not the same.
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But the motivations are the same. A normal person does not do either.
 
Red_Alert said:
Yes. It's a means of leveling the playing field economically.
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If you can’t afford it get out of Division. Nebraska (as an example) can draw $90,000 + people for a volleyball game. Name a team that couldn’t afford it.
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL

Stalions was on the Michigan football staff. He was an employee of the Michigan athletic department. He was on the Michigan sidelines telling the OC/DC/HC exactly what plays their opponents were going to run so they they could adjust their O and D formations.

Of course Michigan benefitted from him In-person Scouting of Future Opponents, using electronic means.
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And again if he is able to afford all of that, be at the UM games but still have this indepth knowledge and not a single other UM person knew about it then they had a rogue staffer who was out of control of the institution.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Michigan got the same data they would have had anyway. Stallions benefited because he spent less time collecting it.
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You have no way of knowing that unless you know what data he got. You are just talking out of your ass.
 
Voltaire said:
If you can’t afford it get out of Division. Nebraska (as an example) can draw $90,000 + people for a volleyball game. Name a team that couldn’t afford it.
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Michigan, if you believe Stallions and certain posters here. Poor guy had to pay for it all himself.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It makes a ton of sense that it would be useful to do. Yes, if Michigan could have hacked into OSU's system and stolen practice footage that would be useful. It would also be useful for Ohio State to hack into Michigan's practice footage and do the same thing.

That's not what doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that there's no evidence that this happened, anyone capable of doing this was involved in any way, no charges of this have every been mentioned by any authority and the NCAA draft to ESPN, and now full NOA to Michigan, mentions this 0%.

It's a conspiracy because it lacks anything to legitimize the claim other than "this is a far fetched possibility on why Michigan beat Ohio State on a single play".
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Well, one team had the offensive coordinator literally being investigated by the FBI for hacking with another employee removing servers from the team's facilities, while the other team has none of that happening. So your comparison is highly illogical.

Everything you've said thusfar is "well that hasn't been proven at all" and then it's proven. You don't have a single clue what's in the full NOA that michigan got, but the initial leak showed all the things you said were "conspiracy theories" were actually true. Might be time for you to get a grip on reality and understand that this is bigger than what you realize. Then again that would take a logical person, and you clearly are not that.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But the motivations are the same. A normal person does not do either.
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LOL what? So you're saying the OSU superfan is also trying to make his job easier? Also OSU has dozens of season ticket holders who have had them for decades. Does michigan not have that? Man, the wheels are really coming off your spin cycle express here. Sorry again, I know this is tough.
 
fordman84 said:
Michigan, if you believe Stallions and certain posters here. Poor guy had to pay for it all himself.
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I don’t know … I know a lot of boosters and alumni do a lot of things with their own money. They keep bugging me for donations, but I am working class and paying for my granddaughter to go to college.
 
Voltaire said:
I'm not saying they didn't break the rule (I don't know) and I am not accusing any other team. I am just asking what is the purpose and how serious is the rule. Driving 5 miles over the speed limit is against the law, so is murder. There is a world of difference between the two.

On a scale of 1 to 10 where is in-person scouting. Please explain your answer so I can understand.
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I'd think any violation that directly gives a team an advantage over another on the playing field is pretty serious.

IMO the bigger problem is probably going to be a 'Pattern of Non-compliance' dating back a few years.
i.e. They were already in the doghouse and then pulled this stunt.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It makes a ton of sense that it would be useful to do. Yes, if Michigan could have hacked into OSU's system and stolen practice footage that would be useful. It would also be useful for Ohio State to hack into Michigan's practice footage and do the same thing.

That's not what doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that there's no evidence that this happened, anyone capable of doing this was involved in any way, no charges of this have every been mentioned by any authority and the NCAA draft to ESPN, and now full NOA to Michigan, mentions this 0%.

It's a conspiracy because it lacks anything to legitimize the claim other than "this is a far fetched possibility on why Michigan beat Ohio State on a single play".
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You have a copy of the final NOA?

Link?
 
Across The Field said:
Where's your proof? This is a massive conspiracy theory unless you can provide proof.
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Sign stealing is legal and multiple coaches have come out already (from other teams) and openly stated that they go into a game assuming all their signs have been stolen. What Stallions did that was different was come up with an easy method of applying those signs in game.
 
Voltaire said:
I don’t know … I know a lot of boosters and alumni do a lot of things with their own money. They keep bugging me for donations, but I am working class and paying for my granddaughter to go to college.
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boosters and alumni aren't lowly paid staffers.
 
Across The Field said:
LOL what? So you're saying the OSU superfan is also trying to make his job easier? Also OSU has dozens of season ticket holders who have had them for decades. Does michigan not have that? Man, the wheels are really coming off your spin cycle express here. Sorry again, I know this is tough.
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No, I'm saying the same crazy fandom that makes him do what he does, made Stallions spend his money on this endeavor.
 
Red_Alert said:
You have a copy of the final NOA?

Link?
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It's hilarious how he is fully justified making assumptions like this if they favor michigan, but if anyone else says something that would be severely damning of michigan he immediately demands concrete evidence. Then again he's been this way all along.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sign stealing is legal and multiple coaches have come out already (from other teams) and openly stated that they go into a game assuming all their signs have been stolen. What Stallions did that was different was come up with an easy method of applying those signs in game.
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So the guy who isn't smart enough to use cash when perpetrating something that he knows is against the rules came up with an elaborate way that no other staff in the history of CFB has been able to come up with.

Sure.
 
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