More Michigan Cheating

Across The Field said:
Well, one team had the offensive coordinator literally being investigated by the FBI for hacking with another employee removing servers from the team's facilities, while the other team has none of that happening. So your comparison is highly illogical.

Everything you've said thusfar is "well that hasn't been proven at all" and then it's proven. You don't have a single clue what's in the full NOA that michigan got, but the initial leak showed all the things you said were "conspiracy theories" were actually true. Might be time for you to get a grip on reality and understand that this is bigger than what you realize. Then again that would take a logical person, and you clearly are not that.
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lol, my god this is delusion at it's finest.

Our offensive coordinator was fired for accessing university accounts and deleted files from a cloud storage. That is not hacking Ohio state.

This is a conspiracy rooted in nothing, that started when the Weis thing began but should have (through normal people's eyes) been squashed long ago by the fact that they've already come out and said it has nothing to do with the NCAA investigation.
 
fordman84 said:
So the guy who isn't smart enough to use cash when perpetrating something that he knows is against the rules came up with an elaborate way that no other staff in the history of CFB has been able to come up with.

Sure.
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Yes. He actually explained it pretty well in the Netflix episode.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sign stealing is legal and multiple coaches have come out already (from other teams) and openly stated that they go into a game assuming all their signs have been stolen. What Stallions did that was different was come up with an easy method of applying those signs in game.
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So that must mean the coaches have all seen all of the information Stallions was able to retrieve and were able to confirm there was nothing to be gained then, right? Got a link to that?
 
Across The Field said:
So that must mean the coaches have all seen all of the information Stallions was able to retrieve and were able to confirm there was nothing to be gained then, right? Got a link to that?
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Yes. It does. Because what we've found out since then is that teams give each other the information. Teams steal playbooks and trade those with each other. Teams have full access to all TV broadcasts, are required to record and share game film beyond that and do all sorts of thigns to get their hands on this information. Stallions simply did it with a shortcut.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Yes. It does. Because what we've found out since then is that teams give each other the information. Teams steal playbooks and trade those with each other. Teams have full access to all TV broadcasts, are required to record and share game film beyond that and do all sorts of thigns to get their hands on this information. Stallions simply did it with a shortcut.
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have you ever seen the camera angle of the game film they share?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
lol, my god this is delusion at it's finest.

Our offensive coordinator was fired for accessing university accounts and deleted files from a cloud storage. That is not hacking Ohio state.

This is a conspiracy rooted in nothing, that started when the Weis thing began but should have (through normal people's eyes) been squashed long ago by the fact that they've already come out and said it has nothing to do with the NCAA investigation.
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Again, what was said is that the Weis investigation was not linked to cheating. Yes, that investigation was initially about him committing cybercrimes. I've yet to see any kind of concrete proof that the NCAA said nothing at all was found on his server that also was linked to cheating on the field. Again, I see you still can't explain why it was Stallions removed the servers from the team's official offices.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Yes. It does. Because what we've found out since then is that teams give each other the information. Teams steal playbooks and trade those with each other. Teams have full access to all TV broadcasts, are required to record and share game film beyond that and do all sorts of thigns to get their hands on this information. Stallions simply did it with a shortcut.
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If it were that simple, don't you think this all would've been over a long time ago? Of course it's not that simple, you're just too delusional to admit it.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Yes. He actually explained it pretty well in the Netflix episode.
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He explained it? You mean the guy that stole university servers, wouldn't give the university access to his cell phone, concocted an elaborate cheating scheme where he misled the people he was directing into believing it wasn't a massive NCAA violation, and wouldn't admit to attending the CMU game when the NCAA has evidence he did? How could any logical, objective person believe a word he says?
 
Across The Field said:
If it were that simple, don't you think this all would've been over a long time ago? Of course it's not that simple, you're just too delusional to admit it.
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Well there's some question about the legality...soooo
 
Across The Field said:
He explained it? You mean the guy that stole university servers, wouldn't give the university access to his cell phone, concocted an elaborate cheating scheme where he misled the people he was directing into believing it wasn't a massive NCAA violation, and wouldn't admit to attending the CMU game when the NCAA has evidence he did? How could any logical, objective person believe a word he says?
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Same crowd who believes Harbaugh when he says he's never lied in his life. Consider the source.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Same crowd who believes Harbaugh when he says he's never lied in his life. Consider the source.
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Cut from the same cloth. The NCAA has receipts from Harbaugh paying for a meal with a potential recruit when he wasn't allowed to, and he "doesn't recall". The NCAA has evidence Stallions was on the sidelines at the CMU game, and he "doesn't recall". Absolute scum of the earth.
 
Across The Field said:
Again, what was said is that the Weis investigation was not linked to cheating. Yes, that investigation was initially about him committing cybercrimes. I've yet to see any kind of concrete proof that the NCAA said nothing at all was found on his server that also was linked to cheating on the field. Again, I see you still can't explain why it was Stallions removed the servers from the team's official offices.
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You're using rumors of shit to try and support rumors based on those rumors....it's fascinating.

The NCAA was investigating sign stealing. The draft of the NOA names a bunch of individuals, including stallions. It doesn't name Weiss. This is over man. This isn't it.
 
Across The Field said:
Cut from the same cloth. The NCAA has receipts from Harbaugh paying for a meal with a potential recruit when he wasn't allowed to, and he "doesn't recall". The NCAA has evidence Stallions was on the sidelines at the CMU game, and he "doesn't recall". Absolute scum of the earth.
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Everyone besides dUMb fans can clearly recognize that Harbaugh's humble virtuous clueless goober act is complete bullshit.

Stallions is even more of a completely obvious liar.
 
Voltaire said:
If you can’t afford it get out of Division. Nebraska (as an example) can draw $90,000 + people for a volleyball game. Name a team that couldn’t afford it.
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I believe the rule was written in 1994. It's likely there were teams that couldn't afford to In-person Scout Future Opponents using electronic means back then. Not by the dozens anyway.

The issue isn't how old the rules are. That's a distraction I've read many times.
The issue is that the rules are still on the books and were violated. The NCAA had to adjust their rules to allow in-helmet communications going forward based solely on Michigan's violations.

As I've already stated, I'd bet anyone that the rules against In-person Scouting of Future Opponents and using electronic means to do so stay on the books, even with the now permissible helmet communications.
 
fordman84 said:
have you ever seen the camera angle of the game film they share?
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Sure. And it gives you every formation they run. And if you cross reference that with other sources (broadcast film especially or information given to you from other teams), it's not hard to come up with the signs for everything -- it just takes work.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You're using rumors of shit to try and support rumors based on those rumors....it's fascinating.

The NCAA was investigating sign stealing. The draft of the NOA names a bunch of individuals, including stallions. It doesn't name Weiss. This is over man. This isn't it.
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I know you so desperately want that to be true. The NCAA was investigating cheating. The FBI was investigating cybercrimes. Nowhere has it been stated that the Weis investigation didn't turn up evidence that was given to the NCAA. The statement you keep bringing up simply stated that the Weis investigation by the FBI wasn't related to cheating.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sure. And it gives you every formation they run. And if you cross reference that with other sources (broadcast film especially or information given to you from other teams), it's not hard to come up with the signs for everything -- it just takes work.
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Formation, correct. But it is overhead view and doesn't give you anything from the sidelines. Gotta go in person to see that, or piece together whatever might air on TV on accident.

And no, it isn't possible to come up with all the same stuff. There will be dozens of plays you can't see the sidelines. You can ONLY get that from being there in person and ignoring the game while watching the sidelines.
 
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