Fuck the recruiting thread, this deserves its own. #1 player in the nation QB Bryce Underwood flipping to Michigan!

Having a 5* QB is great, but putting him on a team with shitty talent around him is basically putting a Ferrari engine in a riding mower. Especially with what they're losing after this season, they have a long, long way to go.
He’s not just a five star QB, he’s the best prospect in the class. Go look up any #1 player in any class, the success rate is astronomical. See Ohio state freshman Jeremiah Smith.

But as I said earlier, they have more work to do; especially on the portal.
 
Had. You HAD a money cannon. Guessing they will be searching cushions and asking the team to pay for gas in the busses next season.
Doesn’t sound like it. Seems like this is actually just ramping up. Check out all the projected flips that came in last night after underwood committed.
 
He’s not just a five star QB, he’s the best prospect in the class. Go look up any #1 player in any class, the success rate is astronomical. See Ohio state freshman Jeremiah Smith.

But as I said earlier, they have more work to do; especially on the portal.
There's a reason the #1 player in most classes has success - they're normally going to a well-established program with elite coaching and elite talent elsewhere. You don't see a lot of #1 overall recruits going to the Iowas and NC States of the world. Past history means nothing here.
 
NIL played a huge part in keeping together your 2023 team. Those kids were very well paid.
Prior to this -- Michigan's idea of NIL was the 'one more year fund' where fans could donate and all the money was split between all the seniors who stay.

What they are doing now is not something we have done in the past.

I love that we got Underwood, but unless we have an endless supply of money -- I think this is a bad way to go about it, as it will end up dividing the locker room IMO.
 
Ask OU about the #1 5 star qb in the class playing behind a bad one line. Hasn't worked out so well.
I'm not really concerned about Michigan with the OL. That is the one area on the field we always have a ton of talent.
 
Prior to this -- Michigan's idea of NIL was the 'one more year fund' where fans could donate and all the money was split between all the seniors who stay.

What they are doing now is not something we have done in the past.

I love that we got Underwood, but unless we have an endless supply of money -- I think this is a bad way to go about it, as it will end up dividing the locker room IMO.
I feel like this is common with basically every big program now, though. I don't think it has to be an endless supply if you're using large sums to bring in guys who can lead the team to success. I suppose that's the coaches' job now, though.
 
There's a reason the #1 player in most classes has success - they're normally going to a well-established program with elite coaching and elite talent elsewhere. You don't see a lot of #1 overall recruits going to the Iowas and NC States of the world. Past history means nothing here.
I wouldn’t call Michigan “unestablished”. Put it this way, if Michigan had even an average QB on the roster this year, we’re probably talking about an 8 win Michigan team and not a 5/6 win Michigan team.

But none the less, the portal changes everything. You can flip an entire team in one season.

Not having a QB was probably a pretty decent selling point actually.
 
I feel like this is common with basically every big program now, though. I don't think it has to be an endless supply if you're using large sums to bring in guys who can lead the team to success. I suppose that's the coaches' job now, though.
Personally - I think it is a recipe for disaster, as it will lead to issues in the locker room. As I said -- I like we were able to get Underwood, but I don't agree with giving out that type of money to someone who has never played a down of CFB.
 
Personally - I think it is a recipe for disaster, as it will lead to issues in the locker room. As I said -- I like we were able to get Underwood, but I don't agree with giving out that type of money to someone who has never played a down of CFB.
I think that’s the world we live in now. Unless the ncaa implements some sort of salary cap to this, it’s going to get wild. I think the days of developing a team over 3-4 seasons is gone.

Each year we’re going to have a new look roster with guys coming and going in the portal. Only supplemented with kids in the recruiting classes; who may or may not stick around for more than a year or two before bolting
 
I wouldn’t call Michigan “unestablished”. Put it this way, if Michigan had even an average QB on the roster this year, we’re probably talking about an 8 win Michigan team and not a 5/6 win Michigan team.

But none the less, the portal changes everything. You can flip an entire team in one season.

Not having a QB was probably a pretty decent selling point actually.
It their current iteration, I'd absolutely say they're unestablished. Stallions or not, everyone responsible for the success in 21-23 is gone. Moore was a great OL coach, a decent OC, and honestly a bit of a wreck at HC. The odds of Underwood being ready to play next year behind yet another green OL is very small, so he desperately needs to get a QB in the portal quick or things will be even worse next year.
 
Personally - I think it is a recipe for disaster, as it will lead to issues in the locker room. As I said -- I like we were able to get Underwood, but I don't agree with giving out that type of money to someone who has never played a down of CFB.
Strongly agree here. That mentality has cost OSU some recruits recently (Mathis in this class, Justin Scott last year come to mind), but I'm fine with that. Spend most of the NIL on already established players unless you have a truly can't miss prospect (JJ Smith, for example).
 
Strongly agree here. That mentality has cost OSU some recruits recently (Mathis in this class, Justin Scott last year come to mind), but I'm fine with that. Spend most of the NIL on already established players unless you have a truly can't miss prospect (JJ Smith, for example).
That is Michigan's problem -- we can't do that for already established players from the portal, that is why the ovewhelming majority of guys you see us sign from the portal are graduates already.

Our only other option is if player has only taken core classes. I've heard UM will accept the core class credits, but they will not accept any transfer credits towards a major. So UM is out on a lot of guys before they even attempt to go after them.

CFB is a so wild right now.
 
That is Michigan's problem -- we can't do that for already established players from the portal, that is why the ovewhelming majority of guys you see us sign from the portal are graduates already.

Our only other option is if player has only taken core classes. I've heard UM will accept the core class credits, but they will not accept any transfer credits towards a major. So UM is out on a lot of guys before they even attempt to go after them.

CFB is a so wild right now.
I feel like the majority of college kids after year 1 or 2 has likely taken nearly all core classes and not major classes though, so that shouldn't be a major issue. Like you said, you guys were late to the NIL party so we'll see how things are looking forward now that you seem to be catching up. I think the much, much larger problem is your coaching staff though.
 
Another school that can shut up about A&M and NIL. :suds:
 
That is Michigan's problem -- we can't do that for already established players from the portal, that is why the ovewhelming majority of guys you see us sign from the portal are graduates already.

Our only other option is if player has only taken core classes. I've heard UM will accept the core class credits, but they will not accept any transfer credits towards a major. So UM is out on a lot of guys before they even attempt to go after them.

CFB is a so wild right now.
I haven't read the entire string, but do you think the majority of the top football recruits are caring about if their CHEM 101 and 201 credits transfer?
 
I haven't read the entire string, but do you think the majority of the top football recruits are caring about if their CHEM 101 and 201 credits transfer?
I think the transfer problem was typically more relating to the "old" system. I'm not sure that impacts us in the new world order. but our admissions standards still hurt us with getting some actual recruits; I'm going to be pissed about Xavier Worthy for a while.
 
It their current iteration, I'd absolutely say they're unestablished. Stallions or not, everyone responsible for the success in 21-23 is gone. Moore was a great OL coach, a decent OC, and honestly a bit of a wreck at HC. The odds of Underwood being ready to play next year behind yet another green OL is very small, so he desperately needs to get a QB in the portal quick or things will be even worse next year.
Maybe I'm being naive but I think it's hard to imagine it being worse than this year. We're starting a walk-on at QB after cycling through a 7th year multi transfer product who quit football, and a TE cosplaying as QB. Michigan's RB room is relatively stacked well, we have a lot of young talent still to play at offensive line (we had 5 offensive lineman in the 2024 class, including our highest rated recruit) and defense has recruited well.


Throw in a couple transfer prospects at OL, get a couple WR's and I think the offense can make a pretty quick turnaround. But they need to get that in the portal. I think Underwood is starting no matter what, but I think they need to get a backup prospect in the portal.
 
I think the transfer problem was typically more relating to the "old" system. I'm not sure that impacts us in the new world order. but our admissions standards still hurt us with getting some actual recruits; I'm going to be pissed about Xavier Worthy for a while.
Yeah I have heard about the standards hurting HS recruits, but transfers to me are more like mercenaries. Typically spending one year to get more exposure before they are off the NFL. I know there are more "depth transfers" as well, but those kids aren't the big names everyone is trying to get.
 
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