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What the retard was going on in this game?

 
osubuckeye89 said:
With how this first season is going? Yes. We might end up with multiple 3 loss teams in the 12 team field.

Remember in most years it looked like not even 4 teams really belonged when you had the 4 teamer.
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ELTEXAN said:
Hmmmm. I seem to remember good old ElTex arguing that in an extended playoff we’d no longer argue who the best team in the land is, but instead who deserves to get into the end of the season tournament. #alwaysright

FOUR teams is best. While in a rare year, one may argue the #3 team is the best in the land, only the truly bombastic would ever argue the #5 team is the best in the land in any year… and after the Champ just beat two of the best teams in CFP to win the natty, those bombastic arguments about the #5 would truly fall to the wayside.
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NewPhoneWhoDis said:
We didn't have a single sack and it had little to do with Howard's legs -- Howard only ran the ball 4 times all game and 3 were on design. Michigan wasn't worried about bringing pressure on Howard -- they took the run the away.

Howard is good if you are throwing to open guys against lesser teams. He is good if you can throw quick hitting passes that the RB and WR turn into big plays. Michigan made him have to make the throws he isn't comfortable making.

Other reason Michigan won yesterday is -- we could rush with 4 guys on the defensive line, we used a LB as a spy and if he saw it was a pass -- he came to bring pressure. If it was a run -- he rallied to the ball. Our safeties played up taking away underneath routes because there was little threat of Howard throwing deep, especially on drives when you were going into the wind. Howard doesn't have the arm to make those throws.

But you are right -- the guy who has thrown for like 4,500 yards and led Syracuse to a 9-3 record definitely wouldn't have been able to throw on Michigan's secondary filled with backups. 😂

McCord would have thrown for 400+ yards on our secondary yesterday. We also wouldn't have been able to use the defensive game plan we used against McCord.

But Ty to Ohio for bringing Howard in. He gave an inferior Michigan team another win!!!
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Here's what you don't seem to understand still - McCord threw for over 4000 yards but he threw it 47 times a game. There were 2 guys in the nation that had over 500 attempts, and McCord had the most by nearly 50 attempts. He still averaged nearly a yard and a half per attempt less than Howard playing far weaker defenses throughout the year. We're still talking about a guy who had 5 INTs against a very bad Pitt pass defense that only finished the entire year with 12.

With Saturday's idiotic playcalling display from Chip (and of course the missed FGs, which is a whole different can of worms), OSU likely loses 13-3 with McCord at best. It really didn't matter who was playing QB. Howard would get into a rhythm and then Chip would go back to trying to run it up the gut again and kill it. It was a masterclass in idiocy.
 
As long as OSU is making the 12 team playoff every year, it’s gonna be tough to move on from Day. Just the optics would make the job less appealing for the next coach.

Probably gonna have to suffer through a 4 loss season before you can really move on from him. Sucks for y’all, but is what it is
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
As long as OSU is making the 12 team playoff every year, it’s gonna be tough to move on from Day. Just the optics would make the job less appealing for the next coach.

Probably gonna have to suffer through a 4 loss season before you can really move on from him. Sucks for y’all, but is what it is
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If we lose first round of the playoff this year after a 10-2 season losing to a putrid michigan team, and having this happen directly because of his decisions (hiring Chip, putting 0 emphasis on improving special teams), I think he's gone. They practically pushed Urban out the door at the end. New AD has zero ties to Day and could want to make a change.
 
Across The Field said:
If we lose first round of the playoff this year after a 10-2 season losing to a putrid michigan team, and having this happen directly because of his decisions (hiring Chip, putting 0 emphasis on improving special teams), I think he's gone. They practically pushed Urban out the door at the end. New AD has zero ties to Day and could want to make a change.
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Urban was pushed out for off the field stuff. Day doesn’t have that baggage.

I think Day is a joke, I have for years, you used to argue with me about it. But I don’t think you can fire him now.

And if you do, you’d better already have a deal in place with your top choice
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Urban was pushed out for off the field stuff. Day doesn’t have that baggage.

I think Day is a joke, I have for years, you used to argue with me about it. But I don’t think you can fire him now.

And if you do, you’d better already have a deal in place with your top choice
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Or what? We're Ohio State, are you saying we're gonna struggle to find a new coach or something?
 
You know, I was thinking more about how hilarious this was and I have to say -- those intentional PI that Michigan DB's took to prevent touchdowns literally saved this game. It also possibly made Ryan Day alter his approach, disastrously, in the second half.
 
Across The Field said:
Lol I mean, I guess? That's kind of a stretch but alright.
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I’m just saying, if you fire Day, you better not miss with the replacement. The floor for every program, OSU included is a lot lower than losing to your biggest rival, but still have a shot at a natty every season.

The time to fire him was last season after Lou Holtz made him cry. Now that there’s an expanded playoff, it’s gonna be harder to move on
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You know, I was thinking more about how hilarious this was and I have to say -- those intentional PI that Michigan DB's took to prevent touchdowns literally saved this game. It also possibly made Ryan Day alter his approach, disastrously, in the second half.
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No question the PIs definitely took points off the board, but my god, that should mean keep throwing to JJ Smith with that matchup and keep getting 15 yards. Instead he got one target the entire 2nd half. Unfathomably stupid coaching.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
I’m just saying, if you fire Day, you better not miss with the replacement. The floor for every program, OSU included is a lot lower than losing to your biggest rival, but still have a shot at a natty every season.

The time to fire him was last season after Lou Holtz made him cry. Now that there’s an expanded playoff, it’s gonna be harder to move on
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You mean when we went on the road and beat ND and Day called Holtz out? Why would you fire him after doing his job on the road?
 
Across The Field said:
You mean when we went on the road and beat ND and Day called Holtz out? Why would you fire him after doing his job on the road?
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Letting a 95 year old make you cry makes the world think you’re soft, and when you’re the HC and you’re soft, the team is gonna be soft.

And Lou broke Day. Now Day has it in his mind that he’s a pussy if he doesn’t beat Michigan with runs up the middle
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Letting a 95 year old make you cry makes the world think you’re soft, and when you’re the HC and you’re soft, the team is gonna be soft.

And Lou broke Day. Now Day has it in his mind that he’s a pussy if he doesn’t beat Michigan with runs up the middle
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You're still very confused about what "crying" means. He beat Holtz' team on his own field and called him out after the game. Plenty of things to rip on Day for but this one has you befuddled still somehow.
 
Across The Field said:
No question the PIs definitely took points off the board, but my god, that should mean keep throwing to JJ Smith with that matchup and keep getting 15 yards. Instead he got one target the entire 2nd half. Unfathomably stupid coaching.
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It's wild. It felt all year like OSU was underutilizing their wide receivers, but I wondered how much of that was keeping things under wraps for The Game. Guess not. Klatt was saying for a while that OSU needs to have a game (or even half/quarter) where they pretty much just throw to Smith and let him take over a game, and it never really felt like they tried to do that this year. I still find it very surprising how little they used Howard's legs, especially in a Kelly offense. But given Day's tendency to not use his QB's legs a whole lot, it really begs the question of whether it was Kelly or Day actually calling the plays.
 
Across The Field said:
You're still very confused about what "crying" means. He beat Holtz' team on his own field and called him out after the game. Plenty of things to rip on Day for but this one has you befuddled still somehow.
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You think Nick Saban would have even acknowledged Holtz publicly under identical circumstances?

Lou Holtz was right about everything he said about Day, ND is just soft too. Day knows Holtz was right and that’s why he was so offended.

You can’t have a coach that cries over the truth
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You know, I was thinking more about how hilarious this was and I have to say -- those intentional PI that Michigan DB's took to prevent touchdowns literally saved this game. It also possibly made Ryan Day alter his approach, disastrously, in the second half.
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Yeah, those ended up being very smart penalties. I think OSU committed that 12th man on the field on purpose too
 
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