The ACC

Deep Creek said:
Absolutely. I just don't see it increasing the per school payout by combining them. Maybe the media would pay more. But is is already full of games that don't crack the 4 million viewer threshold.

It could well increase the payout in hoops...depending on which basketball brands from both head to the B1G and SEC. Only problem with that is the B1G and the SEC already have plenty of football programs that resemble the Big 12/ACC hoops blue bloods in that sport. I don't see the media wanting more football inventory of games like Duke vs Minnesota or Kansas vs Rutgers. They already have plenty of Purdue vs Maryland.
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I don't think it increases, but I think the B12 adding (4 to 6) ACC teams keeps it the same. Adding an eastern wing to the conference too. This addition would be pretty much for football. The addition of some rivalry games may help things. But it's really going to depend on who gets into the P2 from the ACC.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I don't think it increases, but I think the B12 adding (4 to 6) ACC teams keeps it the same. Adding an eastern wing to the conference too. This addition would be pretty much for football. The addition of some rivalry games may help things. But it's really going to depend on who gets into the P2 from the ACC.
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The big ten would take Virginia, but not Virginia Tech; UNC and Duke but not NC State or Wake. After that, I'm having a hard time believing any of the other schools would get a call. Maybe GT.

The SEC wouldn't take anybody after FSU and Clemson, and even those two aren't gimmes. I'm not sure if Florida and South Carolina have veto power anymore, since the league expanded...but I know they aren't in favor
 
Hu War Yu said:
The big ten would take Virginia, but not Virginia Tech; UNC and Duke but not NC State or Wake. After that, I'm having a hard time believing any of the other schools would get a call. Maybe GT.

The SEC wouldn't take anybody after FSU and Clemson, and even those two aren't gimmes. I'm not sure if Florida and South Carolina have veto power anymore, since the league expanded...but I know they aren't in favor
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Your first paragraph is pretty much exactly what the B12 would benefit from. UNC, Virginia, and Duke would never join the B12. Same with FSU. So they myswell be the ones picked by the P2.

The interesting one to me is Clemson. I don't believe Clemson would ever get into the B1G and so there hope is the SEC. But the SEC doesn't really need them. If Clemson is stuck in the ACC I believe it survives as I don't see them hoping to the B12 ether.

The B12s best opportunity to get the the most realistic ACC adds (Virginia Tech and NCstate) is the four schools of UNC, FSU, Clemson and Virginia getting into the SEC/B1G in however manner.
 
Deep Creek said:
Merging two mediocre conferences just produces a larger mediocre conference. No?
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yep, which is why the ACC/Big 12 merger idea has always been retarded. No network is going to shell out bucks for a super mediocre league.
 
TaikoTiger said:
Might as well merge this into the LOL thread

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SMU lost to Penn St
Clemson lost to tejas
Miami lost to Iowa St
Georgia Tech lost to Vandy
Boston College lost to Nebraska
Pitt lost to Toledo
N.C. State lost to East Carolina
North Carolina lost to UConn
Cal lost to UNLV

Syracuse beat Washington St

Louisville vs Washington, Duke vs Ole Miss, and Virginia Tech vs Minnesota, are on stage.
 
Red_Alert said:
SMU lost to Penn St
Clemson lost to tejas
Miami lost to Iowa St
Georgia Tech lost to Vandy
Boston College lost to Nebraska
Pitt lost to Toledo
N.C. State lost to East Carolina
North Carolina lost to UConn
Cal lost to UNLV

Syracuse beat Washington St

Louisville vs Washington, Duke vs Ole Miss, and Virginia Tech vs Minnesota, are on stage.
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Go Cards!
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Go Cards!
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We suck, however I still have to respond.....

Screw You Go Away GIF
 
Honestly, it really just goes to show the networks don't care about on field/court success and it really is about the number of eyeballs you can get. The ACC would be making B1G money if that was the case. The B1G has won, what, 5 combined titles in CFB, CBB, WCBB, and MCWS. Off the top of my head the ACC has at least 15 since 2000?

Don't get me wrong the ACC has been terrible early on in basketball and bad during bowl season(not that it means much), but outside of the SEC, it's been the 2nd best overall conference (excluding Olympic sports) since 2000 and it's not that close.

I'll give the B1G credit, they have marketed themselves extremely well to be in the position they are, because the success hasn't really been there.
 
After all of Lane’s chirping the funniest thing ever would be for Duke to win.
 
ericd7633 said:
Honestly, it really just goes to show the networks don't care about on field/court success and it really is about the number of eyeballs you can get. The ACC would be making B1G money if that was the case. The B1G has won, what, 5 combined titles in CFB, CBB, WCBB, and MCWS. Off the top of my head the ACC has at least 15 since 2000?

Don't get me wrong the ACC has been terrible early on in basketball and bad during bowl season(not that it means much), but outside of the SEC, it's been the 2nd best overall conference (excluding Olympic sports) since 2000 and it's not that close.

I'll give the B1G credit, they have marketed themselves extremely well to be in the position they are, because the success hasn't really been there.
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well, their football brands were built before 2000. The Michigan/Ohio State rivalry was instrumental in the sport's popularity boom. and it helps that their conference is mostly big state schools. Northwestern was the only private school in the Big Ten for a long time.

Before the 2011/12 expansion, the ACC had Boston College, Duke, Miami and Wake Forest. and while Georgia Tech is a public school they are built like a private school. Every major at Tech has a section of calculus. It's a hard school to stay enrolled in. Having so many private schools hurt. Wake Forest should not be in a FBS conference. I can hardly tell the difference between Wake, High Point University and Elon.

the killer for the ACC is that UNC and UVa don't fund their football programs like the big state schools in the SEC. If they put more money and resources in football, then they would probably be powers. the same deal applied to Maryland when they were in the league. even tho College Park is a shithole compared to Chapel Hill and Charlottesville.

pre 2011/12 expansion ACC in theory should have been a solid football league: FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVa, Maryland, GT. but it never happened. and it won't ever happen.
 
Hitman Hart said:
well, their football brands were built before 2000. The Michigan/Ohio State rivalry was instrumental in the sport's popularity boom. and it helps that their conference is mostly big state schools. Northwestern was the only private school in the Big Ten for a long time.

Before the 2011/12 expansion, the ACC had Boston College, Duke, Miami and Wake Forest. and while Georgia Tech is a public school they are built like a private school. Every major at Tech has a section of calculus. It's a hard school to stay enrolled in. Having so many private schools hurt. Wake Forest should not be in a FBS conference. I can hardly tell the difference between Wake, High Point University and Elon.

the killer for the ACC is that UNC and UVa don't fund their football programs like the big state schools in the SEC. If they put more money and resources in football, then they would probably be powers. the same deal applied to Maryland when they were in the league. even tho College Park is a shithole compared to Chapel Hill and Charlottesville.

pre 2011/12 expansion ACC in theory should have been a solid football league: FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVa, Maryland, GT. but it never happened. and it won't ever happen.
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UVa isn't a big state school. It's private. Now go sit in the corner.
 
Hu War Yu said:
The big ten would take Virginia, but not Virginia Tech; UNC and Duke but not NC State or Wake. After that, I'm having a hard time believing any of the other schools would get a call. Maybe GT.

The SEC wouldn't take anybody after FSU and Clemson, and even those two aren't gimmes. I'm not sure if Florida and South Carolina have veto power anymore, since the league expanded...but I know they aren't in favor
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I don't see any appetite on the part of the SEC or B1G to add any more teams, especially teams that could add losses. If we learned anything, we learned that conferences are too large such that teams can't play each other and you get teams like Indiana and Texas who don't play good IC schedules. That is a fault of the conferences, not the teams ... you play who you play. But adding more teams won't help.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't see any appetite on the part of the SEC or B1G to add any more teams, especially teams that could add losses. If we learned anything, we learned that conferences are too large such that teams can't play each other and you get teams like Indiana and Texas who don't play good IC schedules. That is a fault of the conferences, not the teams ... you play who you play. But adding more teams won't help.
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At least we didn't have a scenario where tejas got in, but Georgia got left out.

That would have been :facepalm:
 
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