More Michigan Cheating

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The one thing I read is they had no evidence of sending pics to others or using the pics to blackmail or for monetary reasons. The NY DA for sexual cyber crimes said she has never seen a case like this and it is the most people affected when involving a single person.

I guess when you are making 800,000 a year -- you don't need to blackmail or hold it over a person for monetary gain. But from reading the article, it was like he had a collection of these athletes pics. It is so unbelievably creepy.

The guy needs to be in jail for a long time. I feel bad for his kids. The guy has a wife and 3 kids doing this. It is just a bizarre case.
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Yeah I don't think this was some massive ring of perverts. He had the means and opportunity for doing what he did, so he did it. Fortunately he got caught and he deserves the strongest of possible punishments he can get. It makes my skin crawl to think about that. If I had a daughter that was one of his victims I would have a hard time not tracking him down and taking care of things myself.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The one thing I read is they had no evidence of sending pics to others or using the pics to blackmail or for monetary reasons. The NY DA for sexual cyber crimes said she has never seen a case like this and it is the most people affected when involving a single person.

I guess when you are making 800,000 a year -- you don't need to blackmail or hold it over a person for monetary gain. But from reading the article, it was like he had a collection of these athletes pics. It is so unbelievably creepy.

The guy needs to be in jail for a long time. I feel bad for his kids. The guy has a wife and 3 kids doing this. It is just a bizarre case.
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I think with these sort of people its not ever about money, even if they could make money about it. It's like a power trip thing. It makes them get intoxicated feeling like they have power and are in control of something. Yes of course there is a sexual perversion aspect as well obviously.

You see this a lot with people who are well off, they get bored with their lives so they end up seeing how much they can push the boundaries for a rush. That's why you end up with millionaire/billionaire pedophiles.
 
No mention of the University of Michigan and Matt Weiss named in a class action lawsuit? 17 plaintiffs and counting. They always go after the deep pockets and Weiss ain’t it.
 
Voltaire said:
No mention of the University of Michigan and Matt Weiss named in a class action lawsuit? 17 plaintiffs and counting. They always go after the deep pockets and Weiss ain’t it.
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True that.

Why isn't the 3rd party named in the suit? When, Where, Why, and How did Weiss get hooked up with said 3rd party? It's like we've lost those basic rules of journalism in the last 20 years. Is there a deeper story? Are they already bankrupt? If there were anything to squeeze out of them then the victims lawyers would have surely named them, no?
The creep literally Phished the victims personal 'cloud' passwords through the 3rd party. "Their dog's name is Fido. Let's try that".

If this statement from Michigan is true then I have to take their side in the matter.

"Count 23 of the indictment is specific to the University of Michigan and alleges that Weiss accessed protected UM computers without or in excess of authorization from December 21, 2022 to December 23, 2022," Jarvis said in a statement. "Upon learning of potentially concerning activity in its systems, the University promptly placed Mr. Weiss on leave, forwarded this matter to law enforcement authorities and moved forward with Mr. Weiss' termination on January 21, 2023."

The creep was apparently on the same Phishing expedition at Michigan and they caught him in 3 days. That's not weeks, months, a year, years.
I'm not seeing negligence there on Michigan. Nobody bats a thousand.
Without the 3rd party that started the mess to begin with being named in the suit, it's a hung jury if I'm on it. Even if Weiss were to walk too.

 
Red_Alert said:
True that.

Why isn't the 3rd party named in the suit? When, Where, Why, and How did Weiss get hooked up with said 3rd party? It's like we've lost those basic rules of journalism in the last 20 years. Is there a deeper story? Are they already bankrupt? If there were anything to squeeze out of them then the victims lawyers would have surely named them, no?
The creep literally Phished the victims personal 'cloud' passwords through the 3rd party. "Their dog's name is Fido. Let's try that".

If this statement from Michigan is true then I have to take their side in the matter.

"Count 23 of the indictment is specific to the University of Michigan and alleges that Weiss accessed protected UM computers without or in excess of authorization from December 21, 2022 to December 23, 2022," Jarvis said in a statement. "Upon learning of potentially concerning activity in its systems, the University promptly placed Mr. Weiss on leave, forwarded this matter to law enforcement authorities and moved forward with Mr. Weiss' termination on January 21, 2023."

The creep was apparently on the same Phishing expedition at Michigan and they caught him in 3 days. That's not weeks, months, a year, years.
I'm not seeing negligence there on Michigan. Nobody bats a thousand.
Without the 3rd party that started the mess to begin with being named in the suit, it's a hung jury if I'm on it. Even if Weiss were to walk too.

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The lawsuit probably says et al. This whole thing will be settled after a criminal case (if there is one).
 
Red_Alert said:
True that.

Why isn't the 3rd party named in the suit? When, Where, Why, and How did Weiss get hooked up with said 3rd party? It's like we've lost those basic rules of journalism in the last 20 years. Is there a deeper story? Are they already bankrupt? If there were anything to squeeze out of them then the victims lawyers would have surely named them, no?
The creep literally Phished the victims personal 'cloud' passwords through the 3rd party. "Their dog's name is Fido. Let's try that".

If this statement from Michigan is true then I have to take their side in the matter.

"Count 23 of the indictment is specific to the University of Michigan and alleges that Weiss accessed protected UM computers without or in excess of authorization from December 21, 2022 to December 23, 2022," Jarvis said in a statement. "Upon learning of potentially concerning activity in its systems, the University promptly placed Mr. Weiss on leave, forwarded this matter to law enforcement authorities and moved forward with Mr. Weiss' termination on January 21, 2023."

The creep was apparently on the same Phishing expedition at Michigan and they caught him in 3 days. That's not weeks, months, a year, years.
I'm not seeing negligence there on Michigan. Nobody bats a thousand.
Without the 3rd party that started the mess to begin with being named in the suit, it's a hung jury if I'm on it. Even if Weiss were to walk too.

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I feel like you called me an idiot at some point recently for basically saying just this. I haven’t seen anything that indicates Michigan acted inappropriately here as an organization or was negligent in some way.

Sometimes no one is to blame but the criminal.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
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It is kind of stupid that in this day and age we can’t just know exactly where the ball is on the field when any ref blows a whistle for the first time on a down. It may be the dumbest thing in sports when they roll out the measuring tape on an estimated spot and measure the estimate down to the millimeter.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I feel like you called me an idiot at some point recently for basically saying just this. I haven’t seen anything that indicates Michigan acted inappropriately here as an organization or was negligent in some way.

Sometimes no one is to blame but the criminal.
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Did Weiss do any of this on Michigan equipment or while he was “on the clock” for Michigan? The employer is always gonna take the hit. I don’t like it, but I am familiar with civil cases.
 
Voltaire said:
Did Weiss do any of this on Michigan equipment or while he was “on the clock” for Michigan? The employer is always gonna take the hit. I don’t like it, but I am familiar with civil cases.
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I’m sure he used umich equipment but that also seems to be what got him caught. I don’t think an employer is responsible unless they did something wrong. I don’t think you’ll find a case of an employer being responsible for their employee committing a crime unless they handled it wrong or somehow allowed it to go on longer than it should have.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I feel like you called me an idiot at some point recently for basically saying just this. I haven’t seen anything that indicates Michigan acted inappropriately here as an organization or was negligent in some way.

Sometimes no one is to blame but the criminal.
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I think you've got Michigan's problems confused. I've certainly called you an idiot regarding Michigan's illegal scouting of future opponents sign stealing scheme.

I'm also giving Michigan the benefit of the doubt here on Weiss being caught within just three days.
 
Red_Alert said:
I think you've got Michigan's problems confused. I've certainly called you an idiot regarding Michigan's illegal scouting of future opponents sign stealing scheme.

I'm also giving Michigan the benefit of the doubt here on Weiss being caught within just three days.
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It was 3 pages ago.
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More Michigan Cheating

I was very much defending the position that there is no information that suggests Michigan acted negligently. Michigan IT policy was being discussed and the loose argument was that they should have been monitoring his every move on the internet to catch him sooner, thus they were negligent. Which was absurd, and then you chimed in to back that up.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I’m sure he used umich equipment but that also seems to be what got him caught. I don’t think an employer is responsible unless they did something wrong. I don’t think you’ll find a case of an employer being responsible for their employee committing a crime unless they handled it wrong or somehow allowed it to go on longer than it should have.
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Unfortunately, I can not divulge any cases. I worked 30 years at a major law enforcement agency in metro Detroit. I handled many cases (civil and criminal) with attorneys. You don't understand the attack Michigan is going to be coming under. My guess is there will be a settlement, no admission of guilt and all the plaintiffs will be handsomely paid. This is me knowing nothing more about the case than anyone else on here.

The Michigan cheating bullshit is minor instead they show something else.
 
Voltaire said:
Unfortunately, I can not divulge any cases. I worked 30 years at a major law enforcement agency in metro Detroit. I handled many cases (civil and criminal) with attorneys. You don't understand the attack Michigan is going to be coming under. My guess is there will be a settlement, no admission of guilt and all the plaintiffs will be handsomely paid. This is me knowing nothing more about the case than anyone else on here.

The Michigan cheating bullshit is minor instead they show something else.
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I don’t think anyone can make an argument that Michigan is more responsible than the Ravens. He first broke into the site information at the ravens. Committed most of the crimes while there. And it just carried over to UM where UM caught him.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It was 3 pages ago.
Post in thread 'More Michigan Cheating'
More Michigan Cheating

I was very much defending the position that there is no information that suggests Michigan acted negligently. Michigan IT policy was being discussed and the loose argument was that they should have been monitoring his every move on the internet to catch him sooner, thus they were negligent. Which was absurd, and then you chimed in to back that up.
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Well there was 'inappropriate use' of Michigan's equipment.

"Weiss accessed protected UM computers without or in excess of authorization" - Michigan

My earlier reply also stated "If this statement from Michigan is true" in regards to catching him within three days.
That's just a public statement by Michigan and not sworn testimony. Naturally Michigan would hope to taint public perception of the incident before a civil case is heard.

Civil and criminal cases also have a different burden of proof. To me three days is rather quick in detecting 'inappropriate use' and by whom. A civil jury may not agree with me because it can be seen as a Yes or No issue.

Did Weiss "Inappropriately use" Michigan equipment that Michigan was responsible for protecting against?
Yes. Yes he did.

Will a civil jury view that as Michigan having inadequate security protocol? Possibly.
 
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