More Michigan Cheating

[Across The Field]

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Thanks for proving my point.

Fact: The NCAA has launched an extensive investigation into cheating at michigan, unprecedented in the world of college football, and has uncovered evidence supporting the allegations.

Fact: Connor Stallions was caught illegally recruiting teams in direct violation of NCAA rules while an active member of the michigan football program, including being in disguise on the sideline of the CMU vs MSU game.

Fact: Sherone Moore has already been suspended for his part in this scandal.

You're only calling it subjective because it involves your team. If this involved any other team, the feelings of non-michigan fans would be the same.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Neither OSU nor any other school has had cheating violations rising even close to michigan's level.

Michigan had a staff member scheming to commit level 2, possibly level 3, violations. To my knowledge, there's nothing about the "scheming" that violates the rule any worse.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Thanks for proving my point.

Fact: The NCAA has launched an extensive investigation into cheating at michigan, unprecedented in the world of college football, and has uncovered evidence supporting the allegations.

Fact: Connor Stallions was caught illegally recruiting teams in direct violation of NCAA rules while an active member of the michigan football program, including being in disguise on the sideline of the CMU vs MSU game.

Fact: Sherone Moore has already been suspended for his part in this scandal.

You're only calling it subjective because it involves your team. If this involved any other team, the feelings of non-michigan fans would be the same.

Again, Moore was suspended for the perceived cooperation with the NCAA. Stallions was accused of something the NCAA already deemed minor.

If Ohio State sent a coach to the Penn State game to watch it, and self reported it, they'd be charged with a minor violation.

What we're talking about is repeated violations of a minor rule.

 

[Across The Field]

Again, Moore was suspended for the perceived cooperation with the NCAA. Stallions was accused of something the NCAA already deemed minor.

If Ohio State sent a coach to the Penn State game to watch it, and self reported it, they'd be charged with a minor violation.

What we're talking about is repeated violations of a minor rule.

Your "if" scenario is irrelevant because that's nothing compared to what's happening right now.

 

[Across The Field]

Michigan had a staff member scheming to commit level 2, possibly level 3, violations. To my knowledge, there's nothing about the "scheming" that violates the rule any worse.

Ah yes, the minor violation that was repeated dozens of times and costs tens of thousands of dollars to commit. I'm sure it totally didn't give them any advantage, which is why he did it for multiple years.

 

[Voltaire]

Thanks for proving my point.

Fact: The NCAA has launched an extensive investigation into cheating at michigan, unprecedented in the world of college football, and has uncovered evidence supporting the allegations.

Fact: Connor Stallions was caught illegally recruiting teams in direct violation of NCAA rules while an active member of the michigan football program, including being in disguise on the sideline of the CMU vs MSU game.

Fact: Sherone Moore has already been suspended for his part in this scandal.

You're only calling it subjective because it involves your team. If this involved any other team, the feelings of non-michigan fans would be the same.

Wow, you got that from my post? Time for you to check your scope on reality. I’m not one of these people who will remember your post. When this thing is resolved in its entirety, we shall have a better understanding. Get ready to wait 5+ more years.

 

[Across The Field]

Wow, you got that from my post? Time for you to check your scope on reality. I’m not one of these people who will remember your post. When this thing is resolved in its entirety, we shall have a better understanding. Get ready to wait 5+ more years.

...what

 

[Voltaire]

...what

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Depending on the outcome, Michigan is prepared to take this to court. You’re looking at a minimum of five years.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Your "if" scenario is irrelevant because that's nothing compared to what's happening right now.

Sure there is.

Hundreds of violations occurred in Tennessee football program over 3 seasons - NCAA.org

Over the course of three seasons, the Tennessee football program committed 18 Level I violations — encompassing more than 200 individual infractions — most of which

www.ncaa.org

Tennessee, for example, committed 18 level 1 violations spanning over 200 individual infractions. Michigan's is obviously way less significant than that.

The difference is the NCAA leaked the information during the season and continued to leak information throughout the last 2 years, which whipped up a media frenzy. THAT is actually unprecedented.

 

[Across The Field]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Depending on the outcome, Michigan is prepared to take this to court. You’re looking at a minimum of five years.

Sure they are. I couldn't care less what they do after it's over, what's done is done. You guys were sputtering under Harbaugh who was supposed to be your savior, then you cheated to save his job. Then when he got discovered, he left and took a bunch of coaches with him. Nothing you say to defend them will change the national perception.

 

[Across The Field]

Sure there is.

Hundreds of violations occurred in Tennessee football program over 3 seasons - NCAA.org

Over the course of three seasons, the Tennessee football program committed 18 Level I violations — encompassing more than 200 individual infractions — most of which

www.ncaa.org

Tennessee, for example, committed 18 level 1 violations spanning over 200 individual infractions. Michigan's is obviously way less significant than that.

The difference is the NCAA leaked the information during the season and continued to leak information throughout the last 2 years, which whipped up a media frenzy. THAT is actually unprecedented.

I see you're back to the "michigan is the real victim" part of the narrative. I'll miss your squirming and goalpost moving after this is all over.

 

[fordman84]

Nah. I caught an employee stealing from us, first thing I did before he was even officially fired is delete all our conversations in slack and removed his calendar from my view. Seems like a pretty typical response if you ask me.

No reason to delete anything unrelated, you are just desperate to diminish all of this.

 

[fordman84]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Depending on the outcome, Michigan is prepared to take this to court. You’re looking at a minimum of five years.

"your honor we admit we broke rules as is evidenced by our suspension of our HC. However we find it unfair that the NCAA has found us guilty of breaking rules and trying to punish us, even though we give them that express right"

Not gonna take 5 years to toss that shit out of court.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

No reason to delete anything unrelated, you are just desperate to diminish all of this.

He just deleted the entire conversation. It's not like he cherry picked critical information

 

[occupant]

Mutherfukkers better be cheating, because OU is going in DRY.

 

[Voltaire]

Sure they are. I couldn't care less what they do after it's over, what's done is done. You guys were sputtering under Harbaugh who was supposed to be your savior, then you cheated to save his job. Then when he got discovered, he left and took a bunch of coaches with him. Nothing you say to defend them will change the national perception.

... and now y'all are sputtering after we have been living life under the microscope, while your team is going unchecked. We have been hurt by inability to recruit in the same manner as other teams, and real damage to our reputation. I never claimed that we were innocent. I just said, from what I read on this thread, the violations, if actual, are fairly minor. Also, anyone who was aware that we were decoding your signals and couldn't defend it are rather dumb.

As far as national perception, remember nation perception is what got Joe Biden elected - not the truth.

 

[Voltaire]

"your honor we admit we broke rules as is evidenced by our suspension of our HC. However we find it unfair that the NCAA has found us guilty of breaking rules and trying to punish us, even though we give them that express right"

Not gonna take 5 years to toss that shit out of court.

The NCAA hasn't revealed it's investigation and it's punishment. Michigan hasn't revealed it's Defense. to make that statement is a little premature. 5 years is nothing for a civil case.

 

[fordman84]

He just deleted the entire conversation. It's not like he cherry picked critical information

Sorry, I don't believe the school decided to suspend him for 2 games because he deleted a conversation that had no talk about anything against the rules.

If he deleted chats about rule infractions and everything else then I'm not sure your point. It just means he broke rules and was lazy, making it even easier to figure out he deleted them. "You mean to tell me you never once texted with this guy who was cheating? Not even to tell him what kind of coffee to pick up one morning???"

 

[fordman84]

The NCAA hasn't revealed it's investigation and it's punishment. Michigan hasn't revealed it's Defense. to make that statement is a little premature. 5 years is nothing for a civil case.

Michigan announced a suspension, so they clearly think some rules were broken. I don't think it is any big leap of faith to think the NCAA will also find out at least what Michigan found out, so the NCAA is going to announce some rule was broken.

Not sure what is premature, unless you think no rules were broken and Michigan simply suspended their head coach for 2 games because they like a challenge.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Sorry, I don't believe the school decided to suspend him for 2 games because he deleted a conversation that had no talk about anything against the rules.

If he deleted chats about rule infractions and everything else then I'm not sure your point. It just means he broke rules and was lazy, making it even easier to figure out he deleted them. "You mean to tell me you never once texted with this guy who was cheating? Not even to tell him what kind of coffee to pick up one morning???"

It's because he was on probation already from the cheeseburger-gate. That's it. That's why this is happening. Probably would not have been suspended two games if he wasn't already suspended a game two years ago for the recruiting incident.