The Official SEC thread

osubuckeye89 said:
As ive mentioned 1000 times I think the metric ranking systems are all bullshit in their own ways, I see that's what is cited here
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So, what is the best way to compare conferences or schedules?

At some point, they all can't be wrong:

1. HS recruiting
2. Transfer portal
3. SOS
4. Conf v. conf results
5. NCs over a particular period of time
6. No. of teams that have won NCs over a period of time

What else do you want to look at? At the end of the day, the SEC and the B1G are the dominant conferences. The B1Gs main win is the size of the alumni-based. That is what drives their revenue. I would argue the SEC's passionate fanbase - southern rednecks - and their domination the last quarter century drives their revenue.

What metrics do you have that would indicate the B1G is better than the SEC. I am genuinely open to it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
So, what is the best way to compare conferences or schedules?

At some point, they all can't be wrong:

1. HS recruiting
2. Transfer portal
3. SOS
4. Conf v. conf results
5. NCs over a particular period of time
6. No. of teams that have won NCs over a period of time

What else do you want to look at? At the end of the day, the SEC and the B1G are the dominant conferences. The B1Gs main win is the size of the alumni-based. That is what drives their revenue. I would argue the SEC's passionate fanbase - southern rednecks - and their domination the last quarter century drives their revenue.

What metrics do you have that would indicate the B1G is better than the SEC. I am genuinely open to it.
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I'm saying the "ITS A GAUNTLET" every year shit the SEC tries to push is bullshit, of course there are times where the SEC is clearly better but it's hilarious to basically claim that all of the SEC faces a immovable brick wall of a schedule every year. They are basically playing the "losses should matter less in the SEC!" card.

Bama got "left out" because they lost 3 games with 2 being to 7-6 and 6-7 teams. At SOME POINT losses have to matter.
 
If Ohio State in 2024 went 9-3 with losses to Oregon, Michigan & say Nebraska absolutely no one would be arguing for us to be in the playoff, besides Ohio State fans of course.

But we are supposed to act like it's some travesty that Bama and Ole Miss didn't make it because they both had multiple losses to meh teams.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
NIL and the transfer portal has completely evened the playing field…
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Not sure about “completely” but it has definitely mitigated things. There is still a hug, and widening” revenue gap that has to be overcome to varying degrees. I think the B1G has been better the last couple of years and the SEC has been down from their previous years.
 
Deep Creek said:
Not sure about “completely” but it has definitely mitigated things. There is still a hug, and widening” revenue gap that has to be overcome to varying degrees. I think the B1G has been better the last couple of years and the SEC has been down from their previous years.
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I guess I should say more so that it has loosened the SECs death grip of being the high and mighty.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Obviously the ACC and Big 12 are a step back from the B1G and the SEC. And it will be that way going forward.
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And the gap is also huge between the ACC and Big 12 compared to the rest of the FBS conferences. So the gap between the P@ and the G5s is enormous.

Which is why I've said all along that the G5 needs a separate playoff.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I'm saying the "ITS A GAUNTLET" every year shit the SEC tries to push is bullshit, of course there are times where the SEC is clearly better but it's hilarious to basically claim that all of the SEC faces a immovable brick wall of a schedule every year. They are basically playing the "losses should matter less in the SEC!" card.

Bama got "left out" because they lost 3 games with 2 being to 7-6 and 6-7 teams. At SOME POINT losses have to matter.
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I've not advocated for Bama. I agree with you on that. And I understand why no one wants to hear the gauntlet thing. But it's also a bitch to be in a conference where you do play more better teams and then people look at IU's loss column. Lots of frustration to go around.
 
Deep Creek said:
And the gap is also huge between the ACC and Big 12 compared to the rest of the FBS conferences. So the gap between the P@ and the G5s is enormous.

Which is why I've said all along that the G5 needs a separate playoff.
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I am with you on that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I've not advocated for Bama. I agree with you on that. And I understand why no one wants to hear the gauntlet thing. But it's also a bitch to be in a conference where you do play more better teams and then people look at IU's loss column. Lots of frustration to go around.
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Indiana got handed about the weakest B1G schedule possible, nobody is gonna deny that. We are going to see this quite often I think with the unbalanced scheduling, some team that's in reality just ok ending up in the playoff because the conference scheduling handed them the easiest path.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I guess I should say more so that it has loosened the SECs death grip of being the high and mighty.
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So far in the NIL era, it's 2 SEC NC, and 2 B1G NC. We'll see how it goes from here. But as I posted above, the metrics don't indicate the B1G is suddenly going to pull a 2000-2024 SEC run.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Indiana got handed about the weakest B1G schedule possible, nobody is gonna deny that. We are going to see this quite often I think with the unbalanced scheduling, some team that's in reality just ok ending up in the playoff because the conference scheduling handed them the easiest path.
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That's on the conferences. I could do a better job than they did, hammered.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I've not advocated for Bama. I agree with you on that. And I understand why no one wants to hear the gauntlet thing. But it's also a bitch to be in a conference where you do play more better teams and then people look at IU's loss column. Lots of frustration to go around.
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Indiana only had 1 loss though (to the eventual national champion), it's gonna be hard to keep them out for a 3 loss team regardless, especially when those 3 loss teams (Bama & Ole Miss) had 2/3 of their losses come against average at best teams.

SMU is the team really getting attacked or should be, considering they absolutely embarrassed themselves against Ped State. I think going forward the committee will look back and use that as example and in the future go with the meh 3 loss Bama type team instead.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
If Ohio State in 2024 went 9-3 with losses to Oregon, Michigan & say Nebraska absolutely no one would be arguing for us to be in the playoff, besides Ohio State fans of course.

But we are supposed to act like it's some travesty that Bama and Ole Miss didn't make it because they both had multiple losses to meh teams.
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Yes you would. I might against those 3 teams depending on other outcomes. I would over a 2 loss SMU who didn't play anyone, or didn't beat anyone. That same tOSU team would have had wins over IU, Iowa, and PSU. Who did BSU or SMU beat. That's where the comparison comes in - is a 3 loss B1G team with some good wins, a good loss, and a couple bad losses better than an SMU with 2 losses and no really good wins? tOSU with the no. 2 SOS, SMU with the 42nd SOS. That stuff matters.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Yes you would. I might against those 3 teams depending on other outcomes. I would over a 2 loss SMU who didn't play anyone, or didn't beat anyone. That same tOSU team would have had wins over IU, Iowa, and PSU. Who did BSU or SMU beat. That's where the comparison comes in - is a 3 loss B1G team with some good wins, a good loss, and a couple bad losses better than an SMU with 2 losses and no really good wins? tOSU with the no. 2 SOS, SMU with the 42nd SOS. That stuff matters.
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Losses have to actually matter at some point though.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Indiana only had 1 loss though (to the eventual national champion), it's gonna be hard to keep them out for a 3 loss team regardless, especially when those 3 loss teams (Bama & Ole Miss) had 2/3 of their losses come against average at best teams.

SMU is the team really getting attacked or should be, considering they absolutely embarrassed themselves against Ped State. I think going forward the committee will look back and use that as example and in the future go with the meh 3 loss Bama type team instead.
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We can pick out individual teams as we both have, but at the end of the day they have to figure out to determine if a 3 loss B1G/SEC team is better than a 1 loss other team that has a terrible SOS. I pointed out all year long that Texas got the benefit of the doubt, so this isn't an SEC thing as much as just wanting a system that looks at the disparity in schedules and and competition. It's hard with 136 teams, but it has to be done or we have to go with AQs.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Losses have to actually matter at some point though.
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Sure at some point. But losses are directly related to the competition you play. So you can't consider one and ignore the other. Someone with the no. 2 SOS and 3 losses v. someone with a 90 SOS and 1 loss. Do you really go straight to the L column? Without considering how they get there?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Sure at some point. But losses are directly related to the competition you play. So you can't consider one and ignore the other. Someone with the no. 2 SOS and 3 losses v. someone with a 90 SOS and 1 loss. Do you really go straight to the L column? Without considering how they get there?
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Who the losses come to really matter in my mind.

It's hard to take Bama or Ole Miss side when 2 of their 3 losses came to 5 6 7 or 8 loss teams.
 
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