More Michigan Cheating

Voltaire · Sunday at 5:01 PM

Red_Alert said:
You're wrong (as usual).

The rest of your post is meaningless and typical maze&blew distraction.

If it wasn’t for meaningless posts we wouldn’t be at 6,921 :postwhore2:

Red_Alert · Sunday at 5:27 PM

cwerph said:
Once the investigation has closed, the NCAA enforcement staff sends a notice of allegations to an institution and involved individuals. The notice of allegations outlines the rules that the institution is alleged to have broken and describes the facts of the case.

Once an institution receives a notice of allegations, it has up to 90 days to respond in writing. Extensions can be provided. Evidence − including recorded interviews, summaries and transcripts − can be reviewed at the national office or through a private, secure website.

Prepare thyself for typical maze&blew mental gymnastics.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sunday at 5:53 PM

Voltaire said:
It has nothing to do with the alleged Michigan “cheating”. I know it was @MAIZEandBLUE09 who posted it and you were just replying, but I need to reply to get this thread 10,000 posts

Other than if you go back and look through here, he’s been used as a source on this nonsense for as while.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sunday at 5:55 PM

Red_Alert said:
Prepare thyself for typical maze&blew mental gymnastics.

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“Is available for review”…what are you going on about?

Red_Alert · Sunday at 6:10 PM

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
“Is available for review”…what are you going on about?

Evidence is 'available for review' because it's not "all" included in the NOA.

That is why an institution who's been levied an NOA needs to request it separately. i.e. After they receive the NOA.

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Right. They give Michigan the notice and include all evidence of the violations.

The NOA does NOT contain "all" evidence.

You are wrong.

Red_Alert · Sunday at 6:16 PM

The fact is Michigan was leaking NOA stuff in attempt to get ahead of the narrative.

Once Michigan requested and received "all" of the evidence, they got real quiet and began the plea bargain process like.....

"We'LL SuSpEnD oUr CoAcH fOr TwO GaMeS."

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sunday at 6:36 PM

Red_Alert said:
Evidence is 'available for review' because it's not "all" included in the NOA.

That is why an institution who's been levied an NOA needs to request it separately. i.e. After they receive the NOA.

The NOA does NOT contain "all" evidence.

You are wrong.

Jesus man. All the evidence was open to Michigan well before this meeting. You were wrong.

Red_Alert · Sunday at 6:52 PM

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Jesus man. All the evidence was open to Michigan well before this meeting. You were wrong.

Stop moving the goalposts.

You claimed "ALL" of the evidence was included in the original NOA document that was handed down to Michigan.

It wasn't and never is.

An institution has to request evidence AFTER receiving the NOA.

Of course Michigan requested it and had it before the meeting.

The NCAA then provided the evidence to the Committee of Infractions in the recent meeting.

Are you so dumb as to think Michigan would have provided the NCAA's evidence to the Committee? :facepalm:

Voltaire · Sunday at 7:11 PM

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Other than if you go back and look through here, he’s been used as a source on this nonsense for as while.

This whole thing is nonsense … no one who has posted on here, X, or wherever knows anything. Let’s just keep on moving forward towards 10,000 posts.

cwerph · Sunday at 8:23 PM

Red_Alert said:
Stop moving the goalposts.

You claimed "ALL" of the evidence was included in the original NOA document that was handed down to Michigan.

It wasn't and never is.

An institution has to request evidence AFTER receiving the NOA.

Of course Michigan requested it and had it before the meeting.

The NCAA then provided the evidence to the Committee of Infractions in the recent meeting.

Are you so dumb as to think Michigan would have provided the NCAA's evidence to the Committee?

I know that logic went out the window on this thing a long time ago, but the reason the evidence isn't part of the NOA and is held separately on a secure website seems obvious - the NOA at a public institution is subject to FOIA requests. If the evidence were part of the NOA, all of that would also be subject to the FOIA.

There may be stuff in there that the general public just doesn't need to know and may not even be relevant to the allegations or is later proven false. Therefore, it is silo'd from the NOA.

cwerph · Sunday at 8:24 PM

Voltaire said:
This whole thing is nonsense … no one who has posted on here, X, or wherever knows anything. Let’s just keep on moving forward towards 10,000 posts.

I'm rooting for you. Given the "speed" at which the NCAA works, I think you've got a shot at it.

Jon Deaux · Sunday at 8:27 PM

6932

hope that helps

Red_Alert · Sunday at 8:31 PM

cwerph said:
I know that logic went out the window on this thing a long time ago, but the reason the evidence isn't part of the NOA and is held separately on a secure website seems obvious - the NOA at a public institution is subject to FOIA requests. If the evidence were part of the NOA, all of that would also be subject to the FOIA.

There may be stuff in there that the general public just doesn't need to know and may not even be relevant to the allegations or is later proven false. Therefore, it is silo'd from the NOA.

Has the full NOA even been released via FOIA?

cwerph · Sunday at 8:40 PM

Red_Alert said:
Has the full NOA even been released via FOIA?

If you are willing to break the rules as much as this school has, do you think you will immediately comply with the law? It's only been 10 months. These things take time!

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Monday at 5:36 AM

Red_Alert said:
Stop moving the goalposts.

You claimed "ALL" of the evidence was included in the original NOA document that was handed down to Michigan.

It wasn't and never is.

An institution has to request evidence AFTER receiving the NOA.

Of course Michigan requested it and had it before the meeting.

The NCAA then provided the evidence to the Committee of Infractions in the recent meeting.

Are you so dumb as to think Michigan would have provided the NCAA's evidence to the Committee?

No. you claimed new evidence would be presented at this hearing .

YOU were wrong

All the evidence is either directly put into the NOA or made available to Michigan at the time the NOA is delivered. This is a distinction without a meaningful difference regarding what we’re talking about.

Red_Alert · Monday at 9:31 AM

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
No. you claimed new evidence would be presented at this hearing .

YOU were wrong

All the evidence is either directly put into the NOA or made available to Michigan at the time the NOA is delivered. This is a distinction without a meaningful difference regarding what we’re talking about.

I did not claim that at all.

I said the NCAA would present their evidence at the meeting.

Meaning it would be evidence that Michigan requested, but hasn't leaked.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Monday at 11:23 AM

Red_Alert said:
I did not claim that at all.

I said the NCAA would present their evidence at the meeting.

Meaning it would be evidence that Michigan requested, but hasn't leaked.

the ncaa presented their argument at the meeting, which included already shared evidence. No new evidence would have come from the meeting.

Across The Field · Monday at 1:31 PM

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
the ncaa presented their argument at the meeting, which included already shared evidence. No new evidence would have come from the meeting.

Unless it did...

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Monday at 2:51 PM

Across The Field said:
Unless it did...

no.

Enforcement Process: Charging

www.ncaa.org

Once an institution receives a notice of allegations, it has up to 90 days to respond in writing. Extensions can be provided. Evidence − including recorded interviews, summaries and transcripts − can be reviewed at the national office or through a private, secure website.

When all parties have had the opportunity to respond, a hearing is set before the Committee on Infractions.

osubuckeye89 · Monday at 3:11 PM

A bit off topic but Santa Ono is one of the biggest clowns there is.

Guy thought he had the Florida job in the bag and now he's unemployed. He tried playing the political game and lost very badly

Santa Ono Officially Resigns From Michigan Faculty

Santa Ono has resigned from the faculty at the University of Michigan, MLive reported, following his departure as president to pursue the top job at the University of Florida, which he was ultimately denied.

www.insidehighered.com