Kirby Smart seriously needs to be fired

[Thiefery]

Stop ... there aren't a lot of UGA fans that want Kirby fired. I don't where this is coming from. I'll state my case later, but his seat is not the least bit warm with a large majority of fans, and certainly not with any big hitters who ultimately are who matters. That people are posting here as if its common knowledge that Smart is in trouble, or that fans are angry, is plain nuts. Do we need a better QB ... hell yeah, but so do 126 other schools.

That's the thing..he's brought in highly ranked QBs in.. just hasn't used/developed them

 

[Thiefery]

Explain why he hired a new OC, Monken, known for running wide open offenses. You act like he's an idiot, not a coach making 7 million a year. He has stated directly and publicly that he knows its changed. He still believes in D, and you have to have an O who can work with your D. If you don't believe me, just look at OU and the B12 in general. The great O teams that won NCs, or are doing great, also have good Ds. It's a balance. We've been heavy D, and will continue to be. But much has changed on our O, and it will continue to evolve.

I saw awhile back a breakdown between the old OC and the new one.. they pretty much ran the same stuff.. and they run the same amount of run plays over 50 percent.. Just the old OC threw the ball deeper more times that the new one, who also uses a lot more RPOs compared to his predecessor

 

[7samurai13]

That's the thing..he's brought in highly ranked QBs in.. just hasn't used/developed them

Jim Harbaugh has entered the chat.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I interact with a die hard GA fan through FB.. great guy and he is like the propaganda machine for them.. but he's done with Kirby after the FL loss.. it's been a slow workup ever since the KY win. He knows the change won't come this season, but he believes if he doesn't get to the CCG game next year, he's done.

Man if they get rid of Kirby they aren't going to get anyone to take that job. EVERYONE but Saban ends up having to rebuild every now and then and it's just Georgia's time. You could make an argument for Dabbo but he has gotten exceptionally lucky at the QB position.

I mean shit even tOSU missed the playoffs three times.

So Kirby has done better than Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day and Georgia fans want to boot him.

I hope they do it.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

glad you know the thousands of fans that have Kirby's back

I obviously don't, but I am not the one making broad assertions based on talking to some guy. But I am on UGA forums (Rivals and 247) which represents tens of thousands of fans, and the mood there is as far away from "fire Kirby" as you can get. And you can be sure if they felt that way they would be saying it. Hell, it's not bad even on Twitter and there isn't a bigger cesspool of negativity anywhere. I am fine with criticism of Smart ... he deserves it, and I doubt he would argue with it. There's just a lot of stuff off in this thread. I expect that from people not UGA fans ... none of us know other teams at the depth that true fans do, and I don't hold you or others to that higher standard. But, OP went off the deep end and he should know better.

 

[7samurai13]

If ya’ll haven’t gotten so worked up that you wished cancer on an innocent child then you aren’t ready to fire Kirby.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I obviously don't, but I am not the one making broad assertions based on talking to some guy. But I am on UGA forums (Rivals and 247) which represents tens of thousands of fans, and the mood there is as far away from "fire Kirby" as you can get. And you can be sure if they felt that way they would be saying it. Hell, it's not bad even on Twitter and there isn't a bigger cesspool of negativity anywhere. I am fine with criticism of Smart ... he deserves it, and I doubt he would argue with it. There's just a lot of stuff off in this thread. I expect that from people not UGA fans ... none of us know other teams at the depth that true fans do, and I don't hold you or others to that higher standard. But, OP went off the deep end and he should know better.

I'm not off the deep end, I'm just a frustrated fan.

If Kirby would at least learn from his mistakes and attempt to evolve with the game, it would be different, but every time we play Bama, we take a lead into half time and then turtle in the second half.

Our offense has gotten more predictable and bland, and you're gonna have to score to be able to win big games in modern college football.

It's gonna take winning a natty for choosing Fromm over Fields to be forgivable, and with him refusing to modernize the offense, I don't see that happening.

 

[fishinabarrel]

He was cleared to play in week 2. Kirby's history should tell you he was more familiar with Stetson Bennett, so that's who he was gonna stick with until the pressure got too much. He picked Jake Fromm over Justin Fields FFS.

Thank you, Kirby

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I'm not off the deep end, I'm just a frustrated fan.

If Kirby would at least learn from his mistakes and attempt to evolve with the game, it would be different, but every time we play Bama, we take a lead into half time and then turtle in the second half.

Our offense has gotten more predictable and bland, and you're gonna have to score to be able to win big games in modern college football.

It's gonna take winning a natty for choosing Fromm over Fields to be forgivable, and with him refusing to modernize the offense, I don't see that happening.

He hired Monken as an OC, and he is running the O from QB decisions down. It was part of his agreement to come here. We will always have a strong running game, so does Bama, tOSU, and Clemson. We will always be strong on D, so have been the NC teams in the past 5 years. Our O is evolving ... if you watch play calling this year it is leaps and bounds better than Coley last year. The problem is very simple ... we don't have a QB who can hit wide open receivers. How and why we are where we are is the subject of another post. But, if you don't think that we are starting to evolve our O, you haven't been paying attention. But, it doesn't happen overnight.

FWIW, we didn't "turtle" in the second half. We just did have the QB to make it happen. The D played decent, but with Stetson playing terrible it wasn't going to happen.

The idea that you would fire a coach who is 19-2 against the SECE, and is 15-2 against our biggest rivals (UF, AU, UT, the Nerds), is idiotic, in my opinion. Smart easily has 3-5 years so long as he continues to recruit at the level he has recruited, and he continues the evolution of the O. If we let him go, he would be unemployed for about a day.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

He hired Monken as an OC, and he is running the O from QB decisions down. It was part of his agreement to come here. We will always have a strong running game, so does Bama, tOSU, and Clemson. We will always be strong on D, so have been the NC teams in the past 5 years. Our O is evolving ... if you watch play calling this year it is leaps and bounds better than Coley last year. The problem is very simple ... we don't have a QB who can hit wide open receivers. How and why we are where we are is the subject of another post. But, if you don't think that we are starting to evolve our O, you haven't been paying attention. But, it doesn't happen overnight.

FWIW, we didn't "turtle" in the second half. We just did have the QB to make it happen. The D played decent, but with Stetson playing terrible it wasn't going to happen.

The idea that you would fire a coach who is 19-2 against the SECE, and is 15-2 against our biggest rivals (UF, AU, UT, the Nerds), is idiotic, in my opinion. Smart easily has 3-5 years so long as he continues to recruit at the level he has recruited, and he continues the evolution of the O. If we let him go, he would be unemployed for about a day.

You know why we don't have a QB that can hit open receivers? Kirby chose Jake Fromm over Justin Fields.

We abandoned the run game that was so effective in the first half and scored 0 points in the second half, that's turtling.

There's a lot of hollow wins in there. He's 0fer against Bama, and just lost to Todd fucking Grantham. In reality he's not on any kind of hot seat, but things had better change, and if JT Daniels isn't getting the job done next season, Vandagriff had better be in the fucking game.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

There isn't a coach in the country that would have started Fields over Fromm in 2018. Period. Fromm was the better QB, left the field in the NC game ahead in 2017 and no one was starting an unproven Fields in 2018. Fields chose to leave, Smart didn't ask him to leave. Interestingly, had he stayed he would have been our starting QB in 2019 as Fromm devolved. You are looking at 2019 Fields and saying he should have been starting in 2018. 2018 Fields wasn't 2019 Fields so that makes no sense.

You suffer what in game theory is called results oriented thinking. Looking back you might say that, but with what was known at the time, I believe Smart made the right decision. That's all you can do.

You seem to have it out for Smart, so I find interesting that you haven't mentioned the main decision that Smart made that was wrong, and it's why we are where we are today. It wasn't Fromm over Fields, it was elevating Coley to OC. He was a step back on the O, unlike Monken. Which is why I can't understand how you can say Smart isn't dealing with it when he reversed his main mistake after one year. Fromm devolved under Coley, and that is why he left a year before he should have. Fromm under Monken would be great to see. It would have been a great bridge to better QB play in the future. You want your pound of Kirby flesh, your missing your best shot - Coley.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

There isn't a coach in the country that would have started Fields over Fromm in 2018. Period. Fromm was the better QB, left the field in the NC game ahead in 2017 and no one was starting an unproven Fields in 2018. Fields chose to leave, Smart didn't ask him to leave. Interestingly, had he stayed he would have been our starting QB in 2019 as Fromm devolved. You are looking at 2019 Fields and saying he should have been starting in 2018. 2018 Fields wasn't 2019 Fields so that makes no sense.

You suffer what in game theory is called results oriented thinking. Looking back you might say that, but with what was known at the time, I believe Smart made the right decision. That's all you can do.

You seem to have it out for Smart, so I find interesting that you haven't mentioned the main decision that Smart made that was wrong, and it's why we are where we are today. It wasn't Fromm over Fields, it was elevating Coley to OC. He was a step back on the O, unlike Monken. Which is why I can't understand how you can say Smart isn't dealing with it when he reversed his main mistake after one year. Fromm devolved under Coley, and that is why he left a year before he should have. Fromm under Monken would be great to see. It would have been a great bridge to better QB play in the future. You want your pound of Kirby flesh, your missing your best shot - Coley.

Fields isn't starting the year over Fromm in 2018, but Fromm was noticeably worse, and a QB change could have and should have been made. Get the highest rated recruit in program history and he transfers out without ever starting a game.

I didn't mind promoting from within to fill both vacant coordinator jobs. He did good with Lanning, and Coley had experience, which is probably why he picked him over Del McGee, and letting Jim Chaney walk after Tennessee made him the highest paid OC in the country at the time was the right move. But that's the thing with Kirby, he always takes the "safe" route, and that's why we haven't had a good offense since Chubb, Michel and Wims went pro.

 

[Deep Creek]

Explain why he hired a new OC, Monken, known for running wide open offenses. You act like he's an idiot, not a coach making 7 million a year. He has stated directly and publicly that he knows its changed. He still believes in D, and you have to have an O who can work with your D. If you don't believe me, just look at OU and the B12 in general. The great O teams that won NCs, or are doing great, also have good Ds. It's a balance. We've been heavy D, and will continue to be. But much has changed on our O, and it will continue to evolve.

Where the fuck did I say he was an idiot?

 

[Thiefery]

There isn't a coach in the country that would have started Fields over Fromm in 2018. Period. Fromm was the better QB, left the field in the NC game ahead in 2017 and no one was starting an unproven Fields in 2018. Fields chose to leave, Smart didn't ask him to leave. Interestingly, had he stayed he would have been our starting QB in 2019 as Fromm devolved. You are looking at 2019 Fields and saying he should have been starting in 2018. 2018 Fields wasn't 2019 Fields so that makes no sense.

You suffer what in game theory is called results oriented thinking. Looking back you might say that, but with what was known at the time, I believe Smart made the right decision. That's all you can do.

You seem to have it out for Smart, so I find interesting that you haven't mentioned the main decision that Smart made that was wrong, and it's why we are where we are today. It wasn't Fromm over Fields, it was elevating Coley to OC. He was a step back on the O, unlike Monken. Which is why I can't understand how you can say Smart isn't dealing with it when he reversed his main mistake after one year. Fromm devolved under Coley, and that is why he left a year before he should have. Fromm under Monken would be great to see. It would have been a great bridge to better QB play in the future. You want your pound of Kirby flesh, your missing your best shot - Coley.

there are coaches that would have easily made the switch seeing how he was struggling in '19.. Dabo, Saban have..

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Where the fuck did I say he was an idiot?

You didn't and I didn't say you did. Here's your post:

Kirby hasn't accepted the reality that college football has changed. It really looks like he is scared to death to risk having his beloved defense on the field for longer periods of time. Why, I don't know because UGA has enough depth that is really wouldn't be that big of an issue.

When I said he's not an idiot it's because if you and everyone that follows sports knows that, a HC like CKS knows that. It's ridiculous to state that a 7 mill a year coach doesn't understand that football has changed when (1) he went out and hired a big time OC known to run an air raid O; and (2) has literally stated, in public, on the record, that he knows the game has changed. I repeat what I said above ... the best teams will have good O and D. When Clemson beat Bama in 2018 it was just as much because of their D as their O, which was also very good. But Tua was pressured like a mofo that night, and I think Clemson has 3 DL get drafted in the first round that year.

 

[outofyourmind]

Some Coaches ease into new things.
Some Coaches jump right in.




Hope that helps.

 

[Deep Creek]

You didn't and I didn't say you did. Here's your post:

Kirby hasn't accepted the reality that college football has changed. It really looks like he is scared to death to risk having his beloved defense on the field for longer periods of time. Why, I don't know because UGA has enough depth that is really wouldn't be that big of an issue.

When I said he's not an idiot it's because if you and everyone that follows sports knows that, a HC like CKS knows that. It's ridiculous to state that a 7 mill a year coach doesn't understand that football has changed when (1) he went out and hired a big time OC known to run an air raid O; and (2) has literally stated, in public, on the record, that he knows the game has changed. I repeat what I said above ... the best teams will have good O and D. When Clemson beat Bama in 2018 it was just as much because of their D as their O, which was also very good. But Tua was pressured like a mofo that night, and I think Clemson has 3 DL get drafted in the first round that year.

So, the $7 million man went out and hired a "big time OC". And, he will turn said hire loose?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

there are coaches that would have easily made the switch seeing how he was struggling in '19.. Dabo, Saban have..

I believe you are wrong. Dabo took a clearly less talented player in Bryant and replaced him after 4 games with Sunshine. It had to be done by the 4 game red shirt rule. That took balls only because he had to figure that Bryan might leave, which he did. But, they play in the ACC where they skated through the rest of the season. But, I do give Dabo credit for that. But that's it. Saban's situation is way different. He didn't start Tua a single game in 2017, and only brought him in when UGA was beating him at half. Ballsy move, but not necessarily one of choice. So, that is not a good comparison. So, Dabo made the switch you say Smart should have, but Saban sure didn't.

You guys are making up shit about 2018 and Fromm to support your argument. Coming off being a play from winning a NC as a freshman, he had an 11-1 record, and had UGA ahead of Bama in the SECCG until 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. Read that again. The guy you say should have benched for a true freshman (who didn't play all that well when he was in), was the the no. 5 ranked QB behind Tua, Will Grier, Haskins and Kyler Murray, and was 5 minutes away from the SECC and a trip to the CFP. There isn't a coach that would have benched him - not Saban or Dabo. I truly think you guys don't even remember that Fromm of 2018 wasn't Fromm of 2019, and Fields of 2018 wasn't Fields of 2019. There is no way a coach surrenders a season and plays a QB that wasn't ready and would have lost games, when he as the 5th ranked QB running his team to 11-1 and the SECCG. Now, Smart might have played Fields differently to try to get him to stay, but Fields was on record as he arrived at UGA that he wouldn't even have minded taking a redshirt. At the end of the day, in 2018 Smart did what 100% of the other coaches would have done, and then Field decided he wanted to transfer.

I'd like to point out that if you think tOSU did fantastic in this, let's not forget that the reason that Fields has a spot to transfer to at tOSU was that they decided not to play a QB by the name of Burrows. So he transferred, won the Heisman, went 15-0, and the best QB performance ever in college football, and won the natty, and was drafted no. 1. Meanwhile, Fields has 1 less NC appearance than Jake Fromm. Sometimes things line up, sometimes they don't. tOSU did what they thought was right, just as Smart did.

The narrative of Smart, QBs, 2018 Fields v. Fromm, etc. is way overblown. If you lived it you'd be like me saying what the fuck are you guys talking about?

 

[Thiefery]

I believe you are wrong. Dabo took a clearly less talented player in Bryant and replaced him after 4 games with Sunshine. It had to be done by the 4 game red shirt rule. That took balls only because he had to figure that Bryan might leave, which he did. But, they play in the ACC where they skated through the rest of the season. But, I do give Dabo credit for that. But that's it. Saban's situation is way different. He didn't start Tua a single game in 2017, and only brought him in when UGA was beating him at half. Ballsy move, but not necessarily one of choice. So, that is not a good comparison. So, Dabo made the switch you say Smart should have, but Saban sure didn't.

You guys are making up shit about 2018 and Fromm to support your argument. Coming off being a play from winning a NC as a freshman, he had an 11-1 record, and had UGA ahead of Bama in the SECCG until 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. Read that again. The guy you say should have benched for a true freshman (who didn't play all that well when he was in), was the the no. 5 ranked QB behind Tua, Will Grier, Haskins and Kyler Murray, and was 5 minutes away from the SECC and a trip to the CFP. There isn't a coach that would have benched him - not Saban or Dabo. I truly think you guys don't even remember that Fromm of 2018 wasn't Fromm of 2019, and Fields of 2018 wasn't Fields of 2019. There is no way a coach surrenders a season and plays a QB that wasn't ready and would have lost games, when he as the 5th ranked QB running his team to 11-1 and the SECCG. Now, Smart might have played Fields differently to try to get him to stay, but Fields was on record as he arrived at UGA that he wouldn't even have minded taking a redshirt. At the end of the day, in 2018 Smart did what 100% of the other coaches would have done, and then Field decided he wanted to transfer.

I'd like to point out that if you think tOSU did fantastic in this, let's not forget that the reason that Fields has a spot to transfer to at tOSU was that they decided not to play a QB by the name of Burrows. So he transferred, won the Heisman, went 15-0, and the best QB performance ever in college football, and won the natty, and was drafted no. 1. Meanwhile, Fields has 1 less NC appearance than Jake Fromm. Sometimes things line up, sometimes they don't. tOSU did what they thought was right, just as Smart did.

The narrative of Smart, QBs, 2018 Fields v. Fromm, etc. is way overblown. If you lived it you'd be like me saying what the fuck are you guys talking about?

hell Burrows wasn't Burrows til Brady unlocked him.. but we'll see how the offense for UGA unfolds over the next year

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

So, the $7 million man went out and hired a "big time OC". And, he will turn said hire loose?

He is turned loose. Monken has total control over the O ... he is making the QB decisions, it's his O. What he doesn't have is a QB taller than 5'8" who can hit WRs that are wide open all over the field. I get you guys don't follow UGA football like I do, I respect that. But Monken has called great games, and has schemed WRs open all year. We can't get the ball to them. If you watch the highlights of the UF game, you will see 2 TD passes where we had guys wide open and were overthrown by 5 yards. We'll get to see JT Daniels can be that guy this weekend. I'll be there, my first game of the year.