Barry Bonds 1-Yr Stint as Marlins Hitting Coach "Complete Disaster"

[broncosmitty]

We agree on more things than you want to admit.

I like the Allman Brothers too.

 

[Guy Incognito]

He has 1000 more walks than strikeouts.

A THOUSAND!

He had about 300 more before the juice. The strikeouts went way down when no one wanted to pitch to him.

He averaged over 38 homers and 33 steals from '92 - '98. Monster numbers.

 

[fordman84]

Bull.

Fucking.

Shit.

I hate Barry Bonds because of his titanic cheating, but pretending that he wasn't the best offensive player of his generation, pre-PEDs, is ridiculous.

He's the only 400 homer - 400 steal player in the game's history, and almost certainly would have been a clean 500 - 500 player (he had 411 HR and 445 SB after his age-32 season, before the roiding).

The steroids took Bonds from "maybe the best speed/power hitter ever" to best hitter since Ruth, and anyone who tries to claim otherwise is silly, but pretending that Bonds wasn't a generational talent before he took a single shot is almost as stupid.

Pre steroids Canseco was a more feared speed/power guy, IMO.

 

[navamind]

Barry stole a lot more bases (514 to Jose's 200) and at a much better success rate (78.5%; Jose's was 69%). Even in Canseco's 40 stolen base season he got caught 16 times.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Pre steroids Canseco was a more feared speed/power guy, IMO.

Canseco wasn't as good of a base stealer. Only stole more than 20 bags in 3 seasons in his career. His 40/40 season was an anomaly. He was probably a bigger power threat than Bonds, but he was not a regular 30 steals guy. Bonds stole 30-50 bases in 10 of his first 14 seasons. And 3 of the 4 years he didn't steal 30, he stole 28 or 29 bags.

14 seasons averaging 38 dingers and 32 steals.

"Not a generational talent."

Lulz.

 

[DragonFromTo]

He had about 300 more before the juice. The strikeouts went way down when no one wanted to pitch to him.

He averaged over 38 homers and 33 steals from '92 - '98. Monster numbers.

The strikeout totals went down but his rate also went down.

I get one K every 6.27 ABs (or about 112 per 700) from 1987-2000 and one every 6.83 ABs from 2001-2007 (102 per 700). It's not a monstrous difference but it's more than nothing.

 

[DragonFromTo]

Pre steroids Canseco was a more feared speed/power guy, IMO.

Are you talking about pre steroids Canseco or Bonds here? I'm assuming Bonds?

 

[calsnowskier]

Are you talking about pre steroids Canseco or Bonds here? I'm assuming Bonds?

I am not certain “pre-steroids Canseco” ever existed.

 

[DragonFromTo]

I am not certain “pre-steroids Canseco” ever existed.

This is exactly why I was asking

 

[ojb81]

Barry Bonds: The greatest human being, that has ever lived.