How bad would Nebraska have beaten Michigan in 1997?

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I am guessing that you are too timid for this bet?

That's stupid.

1) As everyone has already shown, Nebraska is the rightful choice and as shown, it is also backed up by "experts". I don't need to concede anything, you on the other hand....
2) What does any of this have to do with the current team?

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Nice that you stepped up to protect @Blackshirts BLVD, but the post wasn't about you. The bet wasn't for you. Keep on fighting a battle that has been over 23+ years. Did Michigan give you PTSD? You would think that you have a good head coach and the future looks promising, that you would quit stressing out about a unified championship that you cannot win.

Everything put aside, that is an ugly ass ring. Probably looked better new, but you provided the picture. Missing a diamond, probably taken and given to the rightful championships as thanks for that pity trophy you got from the media since you hadn't touched a trophy is DECADES.

Here, you look a little silly, so let me help you out. This one looks a lot better...

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oops sorry, wrong picture, here....

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damn it, I swear I am trying to help you out...

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but seriously, this is a much better picture of the only ring Michigan has seen in nearly 100 years.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I also disagree with your statement that 2001 Miami would beat 2010 Auburn or 2010 Oregon now that I think about it.

CFB has changed dramatically since the early 2000s. First off, 2001 Miami saw nothing like the Auburn or Oregon spread offense. They would be caught off-guard by the scheme. Cam Newton was a phenom. The only player in that era that is close to Cam Newton was Michael Vick. Michael Vick made plays and scored points against some of the greatest defenses in the early 2000s. In 1999, he beat Miami's defense.

Auburn's defense in 2010 was also not something to be taken lightly. They were perhaps just as dominate physically as the 2001 Miami defense and they have more speed.

Michael Dyer, as a RB, was faster than any of the players on that Miami team.

As stated, a lot of this has to do with the evolution of the game. National Champions from 2000 would be 7-3 or 8-4 in the SEC today. The game has changed that much.

That 2001 Miami team was built on speed. They had a ton of it. Making a bullshit statement that Dyer was faster then anyone on Miami is just that, bullshit.

2010 Auburn D didn’t have more team speed the 2001 Miami.

You simply aren’t understanding how talented 2001 Miami was.

Going by your last sentence, 1995 Nebraska would be 8-4 in the SEC today? You got a hell of a fight coming if thats your opinion. I’m just warning you.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

You‘re so full of shit. You stated the more you think about it the more you doubt 01 Miami would beat 97 Nebraska. That view is retarded and bias.

Yes, the more I doubt an outright win for Miami. In layman terms, so you can understand, that means that I could see either team winning. Hence I said 50/50 in the other post before your dumbass chose to sound off.

I actually saw 2001 Miami play. (@PSU) The team averaged over 42 points a game. The defense averaged giving up less then 10 points a game. They beat 6 teams that finished in top 25 that year. What else do you need?

Oh, you saw them play? Oh shit, well that changes everything. Fuck, why didn't you start with that.

42ppg.... and? Many teams do that, fucking 97 Nebraska averaged 47ppg. They had a good defense, which I already said you would say, would you like me to lists a plethora of teams that had better defenses than them over the years, it isn't difficult, their defense was great for who they had to play, but it wasn't incredible. Shit, if you google some of the best ncaa football defenses, 01 Miami isn't even talked about a lot of the time lol.

They beat such and such, lol, and only 1 team inside the top 10. Even 97 Nebraska managed more than that with 5 teams that finished ranked and 2 inside the top ten.

Like I said, without mentioning the number of draft picks, its a good, but average national championship season.

Next!!

Stop citing 2 close games Miami had with top 25 teams while ignoring the close ones Nebraska had with 5 win teams when indicating why you think 97 Nebraska would beat 01 Miami.

I never said 97 Nebraska would win, I said I wouldn't be surprised if they did and I think it would be close. I didn't ignore anything you lame brain, learn to read shit. Nebraskas ONLY 2 close games were rivalry road games. While both were road games for Miami as well, I wouldn't consider either of them rivalries at the time, though wiki lists Va Tech as a rival even though at the time they had only played 19 times and Miami had won 14 of them, hardly a real rivalry.

Like I said, you know without mentioning that, this team is good, but nothing great. And that is what matters, what they ACTUALLY did on the field. Though good, not overly impressive.

Talk about full of shit, you can't even properly defend a team without mentioning that ONE thing that is irrelevant, LOL.

 

[NU_WTF?]

Nice that you stepped up to protect @Blackshirts BLVD, but the post wasn't about you. The bet wasn't for you. Keep on fighting a battle that has been over 23+ years. Did Michigan give you PTSD? You would think that you have a good head coach and the future looks promising, that you would quit stressing out about a unified championship that you cannot win.

Ring that you guys made yourself

 

[Volbound1700]

That 2001 Miami team was built on speed. They had a ton of it. Making a bullshit statement that Dyer was faster then anyone on Miami is just that, bullshit.

2010 Auburn D didn’t have more team speed the 2001 Miami.

You simply aren’t understanding how talented 2001 Miami was.

Going by your last sentence, 1995 Nebraska would be 8-4 in the SEC today? You got a hell of a fight coming if thats your opinion. I’m just warning you.

I do think that. The teams in the 1990s would not be competitive against football teams today. I also think that is true at the NFL level as well. The speed and size of the athletes (especially speed) is greater now than in the past. New schemes were created in the mid-2000s that teams in the early 2000s or 1990s would not be prepared to play against.

Mark my words, the Alabama and Clemson teams that are hitting the field now would manhandled any of the teams from the early 2000s or 1990s.

Think about this, Michael Vick (and later Vince Young) where a BIG DEAL for the sport when they hit the field and they dominated defenses. There are 10-15 Michael Vick type QBs now in CFB on a regular basis.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yes, the more I doubt an outright win for Miami. In layman terms, so you can understand, that means that I could see either team winning. Hence I said 50/50 in the other post before your dumbass chose to sound off.

Oh, you saw them play? Oh shit, well that changes everything. Fuck, why didn't you start with that.

42ppg.... and? Many teams do that, fucking 97 Nebraska averaged 47ppg. They had a good defense, which I already said you would say, would you like me to lists a plethora of teams that had better defenses than them over the years, it isn't difficult, their defense was great for who they had to play, but it wasn't incredible. Shit, if you google some of the best ncaa football defenses, 01 Miami isn't even talked about a lot of the time lol.

They beat such and such, lol, and only 1 team inside the top 10. Even 97 Nebraska managed more than that with 5 teams that finished ranked and 2 inside the top ten.

Like I said, without mentioning the number of draft picks, its a good, but average national championship season.

Next!!

I never said 97 Nebraska would win, I said I wouldn't be surprised if they did and I think it would be close. I didn't ignore anything you lame brain, learn to read shit. Nebraskas ONLY 2 close games were rivalry road games. While both were road games for Miami as well, I wouldn't consider either of them rivalries at the time, though wiki lists Va Tech as a rival even though at the time they had only played 19 times and Miami had won 14 of them, hardly a real rivalry.

Like I said, you know without mentioning that, this team is good, but nothing great. And that is what matters, what they ACTUALLY did on the field. Though good, not overly impressive.

Talk about full of shit, you can't even properly defend a team without mentioning that ONE thing that is irrelevant, LOL.

Don’t fucking move the goal posts, you stated you doubt Miami would win “AT ALL”. Don’t fucking pretend you didn’t.

Congrats on 97 Nebraska having a better offense while not having a better defense then 01 Miami.

Spare me the schedule bullshit and how VPI (who was in the NC game 2 years prior) is a reason to give Miami shit for it being close. Colorado no matter how much a rival was a 5 win team. Same with UCF and that’s not even touching your absolute prayer to win in Missouri.

What did I mention that was irrelevant? Quite fucking moving goalposts and own your stupid comment.

 

[Voltaire]

That's stupid.

1) As everyone has already shown, Nebraska is the rightful choice and as shown, it is also backed up by "experts". I don't need to concede anything, you on the other hand....
2) What does any of this have to do with the current team?

Not a damn thing and the argument is old. I validated Michigan's claim to National Championship and in fairness acknowledged that Nebraska had a rightful clam as well. The myopic vision of Nebraska Cornhusker Fans seems to be prevalent in this thread.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I do think that. The teams in the 1990s would not be competitive against football teams today. I also think that is true at the NFL level as well. The speed and size of the athletes (especially speed) is greater now than in the past. New schemes were created in the mid-2000s that teams in the early 2000s or 1990s would not be prepared to play against.

Mark my words, the Alabama and Clemson teams that are hitting the field now would manhandled any of the teams from the early 2000s or 1990s.

Think about this, Michael Vick (and later Vince Young) where a BIG DEAL for the sport when they hit the field and they dominated defenses. There are 10-15 Michael Vick type QBs now in CFB on a regular basis.

I wouldn’t beat the drum on that hard. A certain Midwest fan base will fight tooth and nail on that.

 

[Voltaire]

I do think that. The teams in the 1990s would not be competitive against football teams today. I also think that is true at the NFL level as well. The speed and size of the athletes (especially speed) is greater now than in the past. New schemes were created in the mid-2000s that teams in the early 2000s or 1990s would not be prepared to play against.

Mark my words, the Alabama and Clemson teams that are hitting the field now would manhandled any of the teams from the early 2000s or 1990s.

Think about this, Michael Vick (and later Vince Young) where a BIG DEAL for the sport when they hit the field and they dominated defenses. There are 10-15 Michael Vick type QBs now in CFB on a regular basis.

Add that fucking ohio state in there. Today's athletes are better trained then 1990's athletes.

 

[Volbound1700]

Add that fucking ohio state in there. Today's athletes are better trained then 1990's athletes.

Good point, Ohio State has had some great teams as well.

 

[Voltaire]

Good point, Ohio State has had some great teams as well.

I hate ohio state, but the only true measure of superiority is on the scoreboard. I have tried to argue with a scoreboard, but it never listens.

 

[Volbound1700]

To be honest, any poll that doesn't have 2019 LSU and 2020 Alabama as #1 and #2 is basically trolling now. Those teams would flatten anyone. 2015 Clemson and 2017 Alabama/Georgia were also great. Heck, 2014 Ohio State is in the picture.

The issue with doing a top 10 all-time CFB teams would be that it would have to be stacked with Alabama/Clemson teams. The teams they are putting out on the field now are unprecedented in CFB as are the runs they are having. It makes the poll boring but it is the truth if people sit down and look at the teams logically and identify their flaws.

2001 Miami has two MAJOR flaws that put them way behind these teams. One is QB play. Ken Dorsey is not on the level of any of the QBs that are gracing the rosters of Alabama and Clemson today (or Joe Burrow). Miami would have a very hard time scoring points against Alabama or Clemson.

The second is coaching. Saban and Swinney would be able to make adjustments to anything Miami does and outscheme the defense.

IMO, 2001 Miami would not even be able to keep it close against some of the modern National Title teams.

 

[Wamu]

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[ralphiewvu]

To be honest, any poll that doesn't have 2019 LSU and 2020 Alabama as #1 and #2 is basically trolling now. Those teams would flatten anyone. 2015 Clemson and 2017 Alabama/Georgia were also great. Heck, 2014 Ohio State is in the picture.

The issue with doing a top 10 all-time CFB teams would be that it would have to be stacked with Alabama/Clemson teams. The teams they are putting out on the field now are unprecedented in CFB as are the runs they are having. It makes the poll boring but it is the truth if people sit down and look at the teams logically and identify their flaws.

2001 Miami has two MAJOR flaws that put them way behind these teams. One is QB play. Ken Dorsey is not on the level of any of the QBs that are gracing the rosters of Alabama and Clemson today (or Joe Burrow). Miami would have a very hard time scoring points against Alabama or Clemson.

The second is coaching. Saban and Swinney would be able to make adjustments to anything Miami does and outscheme the defense.

IMO, 2001 Miami would not even be able to keep it close against some of the modern National Title teams.

lol delusional

That Miami team was one of the most athletic ever. It’s nice to have these opinions because we’ll truly never know. But I disagree entirely with the thought that saban or Sweeney would just out scheme a Miami or any of those great Nebraska teams of the 90’s And that’s all it’d take.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Don’t fucking move the goal posts, you stated you doubt Miami would win “AT ALL”. Don’t fucking pretend you didn’t.

It isn't moving goal posts ralphie, it's called the english language. Try learning it. Yes, I doubt they would win at all, BECAUSE I think it is 50/50, it could go either way. Meaning, I do not believe it to be a sure victory for Miami.

Congrats on 97 Nebraska having a better offense while not having a better defense then 01 Miami.

Ok, you brought up the offense. And again, 01 Miamis defense was certainly good, but nothing unbelievable.

Spare me the schedule bullshit and how VPI (who was in the NC game 2 years prior) is a reason to give Miami shit for it being close.

What does a Va Tech team from 2 years prior have to do with anything?? Talk about moving goal posts, but I'm sure you don't even know what you mean - so I'll let it slide.

Colorado no matter how much a rival was a 5 win team.

And? I am not claiming 97 Nebraska is one of the greatest of all time, but you have about 01 Miami - the hilarious fact is that you seem to be just realizing how unimpressive those 17 first rounders were in college. 01 Miami has the draft picks, no denying that, too bad that has nothing to do with what they actually accomplished on the field. Again, with that many, you would think they would have beaten everyone by 50+ points. They were talented, but they weren't capable of putting all that talent together to dominate everyone and that is a fact. And when you look at the stats side by side, it makes sense that 97 would have a good shot at them.

Like I said, 01 Miami is a good national championship team, they just weren't great. Same with 97 Nebraska and 97 Michigan.

Same with UCF and that’s not even touching your absolute prayer to win in Missouri.

UCF, a team we beat by multiple possessions. I love how you guys think that means something lol.

Ahhh the ole tired and tried Missouri argument... again, another rival road game in which Nebraska won. All that matters. I already admitted it, Nebraska had 2 close games that year, both were road, both were rival, both were won. You can say the same about Miami except that both were rival, weigh that however... I am sure you won't weigh it at all.

What did I mention that was irrelevant? Quite fucking moving goalposts and own your stupid comment.

Reading is hard, I know. The irrelevant thing is the only argument you hear whenever someone ever brings up Miami... the draft picks. It's irrelevant.

Again, no goalposts were moved, but I have been reading your arguments with other posters lately. This is your goto lately, for some reason reading comprehension escapes you and you claim the other is just moving goal posts. Whatever, you do you.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Not a damn thing and the argument is old. I validated Michigan's claim to National Championship and in fairness acknowledged that Nebraska had a rightful clam as well. The myopic vision of Nebraska Cornhusker Fans seems to be prevalent in this thread.

You validated Michigan's claim? LOL in what way? Talking about a common opponent.

Fucking A you guys are a laugh today. Did you guys coordinate this?

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Think about this, Michael Vick (and later Vince Young) where a BIG DEAL for the sport when they hit the field and they dominated defenses. There are 10-15 Michael Vick type QBs now in CFB on a regular basis.

Vick wasn't the best passer, but he was capable. But who out there at the QB spot now is as fast and as athletic as Vick was?

 

[ralphiewvu]

It isn't moving goal posts ralphie, it's called the english language. Try learning it. Yes, I doubt they would win at all, BECAUSE I think it is 50/50, it could go either way. Meaning, I do not believe it to be a sure victory for Miami.

Ok, you brought up the offense. And again, 01 Miamis defense was certainly good, but nothing unbelievable.

What does a Va Tech team from 2 years prior have to do with anything?? Talk about moving goal posts, but I'm sure you don't even know what you mean - so I'll let it slide.

And? I am not claiming 97 Nebraska is one of the greatest of all time, but you have about 01 Miami - the hilarious fact is that you seem to be just realizing how unimpressive those 17 first rounders were in college. 01 Miami has the draft picks, no denying that, too bad that has nothing to do with what they actually accomplished on the field. Again, with that many, you would think they would have beaten everyone by 50+ points. They were talented, but they weren't capable of putting all that talent together to dominate everyone and that is a fact. And when you look at the stats side by side, it makes sense that 97 would have a good shot at them.

Like I said, 01 Miami is a good national championship team, they just weren't great. Same with 97 Nebraska and 97 Michigan.

UCF, a team we beat by multiple possessions. I love how you guys think that means something lol.

Ahhh the ole tired and tried Missouri argument... again, another rival road game in which Nebraska won. All that matters. I already admitted it, Nebraska had 2 close games that year, both were road, both were rival, both were won. You can say the same about Miami except that both were rival, weigh that however... I am sure you won't weigh it at all.

Reading is hard, I know. The irrelevant thing is the only argument you hear whenever someone ever brings up Miami... the draft picks. It's irrelevant.

Again, no goalposts were moved, but I have been reading your arguments with other posters lately. This is your goto lately, for some reason reading comprehension escapes you and you claim the other is just moving goal posts. Whatever, you do you.

Your first paragraph makes absolutely no sense. You know exactly what you meant. When you say at all, that means you don’t think they’d win. Stop this mental gymnastics word game bullshit. Just admit you fucked up thinking that shit.

What do you mean I don’t know what I mean. How is bringing up VaTech moving goal posts? You are the one to bring them up forgetting they were a top 25 team and Miami held on after an early lead, away. Me bringing up VPI from 2 years prior was to show they weren’t just some flash in the pan, they were a good program and a good team.

The whole reason I’m in this thread is because you made ridiculous claim about Miami struggling with VPI and BC as to some point that 97 Nebraska could win against 2001 Miami. You then went stupid and stated you didn’t think Miami would win at all. Now you are doubling down on what that all meant.

Again, my opinion they were the greatest NC of all time.

I bring up UCF because you brought up BC. BC finished in the top 25.

It took a prayer for you to beat Missouri. You hung on against Colorado. I don’t care if they are rivals or not, don’t sling shit to another team for having close calls with Ranked teams on the road and ignore your Teams close calls with shit teams when comparing.

That last paragraph is rich coming from A husker fan. Reading isnt hard. Doubling down on stupid is hard to read though. “But when I say not at all I mean 50/50”..…GMFB I don’t give a shit about your or anyone else’s opinion of me. But stop playing stupid with these long drawn out novels in response.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Your first paragraph makes absolutely no sense. You know exactly what you meant. When you say at all, that means you don’t think they’d win. Stop this mental gymnastics word game bullshit. Just admit you fucked up thinking that shit.

I swear you are the only one that struggles this hard with the english language. You are right... I know what I meant, and I said what I meant. I think either team could win.

You make pitying you too easy.

What do you mean I don’t know what I mean. How is bringing up VaTech moving goal posts? You are the one to bring them up forgetting they were a top 25 team and Miami held on after an early lead, away. Me bringing up VPI from 2 years prior was to show they weren’t just some flash in the pan, they were a good program and a good team.

But that is kind of the point, they were a flash in the pan. Or are you saying an undefeated team is nearly as good as a 4 loss team?

The whole reason I’m in this thread is because you made ridiculous claim about Miami struggling with VPI and BC as to some point that 97 Nebraska could win against 2001 Miami. You then went stupid and stated you didn’t think Miami would win at all. Now you are doubling down on what that all meant.

Yeah I am, because I do doubt that they would win. I would not be surprised at all if Nebraska won. I wouldn't be surprised if Miami won either.

Ah fuck, I think I just confused ralphie again.

Again, my opinion they were the greatest NC of all time.

That's because you're stupid.

I bring up UCF because you brought up BC. BC finished in the top 25.

Difference, Nebraska had the game controlled and won leading 31-17 going into the 4th quarter. Miami didn't you idiot. And anyone that watched the BC game knows that was practically their miracle game... you see, they are even more like 97 than you think.

"However, in the final minute of the fourth quarter, with Miami clinging to a 12–7 lead, BC quarterback Brian St. Pierre led the Eagles from their own 30-yard line all the way down to the Hurricanes' 9-yard line. With BC on the verge of a momentous upset, St. Pierre attempted to pass to receiver Ryan Read at the Miami 2-yard line. However, the ball ricocheted off the leg of Miami cornerback Mike Rumph, landing in the hands of defensive end Matt Walters. Walters ran ten yards with the ball before teammate Ed Reed grabbed the ball out of his hands at around the Miami 20-yard line and raced the remaining 80-yards for a touchdown. Miami won 18–7."

It took a prayer for you to beat Missouri.

See above. Mo-ron.

You hung on against Colorado.

Just like they did against Va Tech.

I don’t care if they are rivals or not, don’t sling shit to another team for having close calls with Ranked teams on the road and ignore your Teams close calls with shit teams when comparing.

Being rivals matters. Teams often get up for those games regardless of current record.

That last paragraph is rich coming from A husker fan. Reading isnt hard. Doubling down on stupid is hard to read though. “But when I say not at all I mean 50/50”..…GMFB I don’t give a shit about your or anyone else’s opinion of me. But stop playing stupid with these long drawn out novels in response.

"At all" as in "period" as in I doubt Miami could win at all... or I doubt Miami could win period. Meaning that I think Nebraska has a fair shot.

Damn, is reading that fucking difficult for you?