How did the best head coaches do in the first 6 years?

With or without NIL -- it wasn't going to matter for Wisconsin. They are never winning a national title anyway -- they can't compete in recruiting. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but just being honest.
It ain't about Wisconsin. I've been a fan for near 55 years. I used to be a college football fan. I'd never miss a Georgia- Georgia Tech game or the Egg Bowl. A Nebraska-Oklahoma game was must see. I'd watch 3 games on New Years Day. Now, I'll watch Wisconsin play but have no interest otherwise. Congrats to the teams that win nattys. But, it means zip to me.
 
It ain't about Wisconsin. I've been a fan for near 55 years. I used to be a college football fan. I'd never miss a Georgia- Georgia Tech game or the Egg Bowl. A Nebraska-Oklahoma game was must see. I'd watch 3 games on New Years Day. Now, I'll watch Wisconsin play but have no interest otherwise. Congrats to the teams that win nattys. But, it means zip to me.
Unfortunately -- they have enough interest that they aren't interested in change. Profits are at record highs. It is what it is.
 
If you don't have that advantage, you are NEVER recruiting like those schools, unless you pull an A&M and buy a class.
You do know that A&M IS one of "those schools" don't you? Yep. Right up there with Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan, Texas, Florida, etal.

At least that is what my Aggie neighbor tells me. :beer2:
 
You do know that A&M IS one of "those schools" don't you? Yep. Right up there with Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan, Texas, Florida, etal.

At least that is what my Aggie neighbor tells me. :beer2:
I'm just curious what A&M would be like if they weren't in a state where they can easily pick up the scraps that Texas leaves them and still be OK? What's crazy is A&M has had only a single season with more than 10 wins since 1999. The NIL has really changed things given when they were able to do this last class in recruiting. They pulled 9 of the top 20 kids in the state. And all but one (ranked 105) were in the 247 top 100.
 
I'm just curious what A&M would be like if they weren't in a state where they can easily pick up the scraps that Texas leaves them and still be OK? What's crazy is A&M has had only a single season with more than 10 wins since 1999. The NIL has really changed things given when they were able to do this last class in recruiting. They pulled 9 of the top 20 kids in the state. And all but one (ranked 105) were in the 247 top 100.

Not too difficult to recruit against this...

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I'm just curious what A&M would be like if they weren't in a state where they can easily pick up the scraps that Texas leaves them and still be OK? What's crazy is A&M has had only a single season with more than 10 wins since 1999. The NIL has really changed things given when they were able to do this last class in recruiting. They pulled 9 of the top 20 kids in the state. And all but one (ranked 105) were in the 247 top 100.
While I'll be one of the first to admit it, A&M really is a good school. I just like to give all the aggies around here a hard time...as does every other "non aggie" Texas folk. (Hell, even some of the aggies give the aggies a hard time.)

That said, you just have to live around 'em to understand 'em. They are "tradition" to the core an will die on those swords of tradition. They are loyal as hell too. They are willing to spend whatever it takes to win.....even if they go 22+ years with only one 10 win season as you noted. (Their in state brethren in Austin are also willing to spend a shit pot full of money for shitty results. I call it the Jerry Jones way of measuring football success.)
 
I'm just curious what A&M would be like if they weren't in a state where they can easily pick up the scraps that Texas leaves them and still be OK? What's crazy is A&M has had only a single season with more than 10 wins since 1999. The NIL has really changed things given when they were able to do this last class in recruiting. They pulled 9 of the top 20 kids in the state. And all but one (ranked 105) were in the 247 top 100.

Not too difficult to recruit against this...

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Red is right, Texas having it's worst decade of football, has really opened things up in the state to others. Gone are the days where Mack would get his pick of the litter and let schools fight over the ones he didn't offer a spot after Jr Day are over.
That '22 class they signed was tough, people can make fun of them buying a class and all but they did it and no one can do anything about it now. Now from here on out they have to show some real development and to be able to keep everyone in the fold once the season starts rolling. They are so deep at DL, it's ridiculous. Going to take some jedi mind tricks to keep everyone on board with that much talent.
 
Red is right, Texas having it's worst decade of football, has really opened things up in the state to others. Gone are the days where Mack would get his pick of the litter and let schools fight over the ones he didn't offer a spot after Jr Day are over.
That '22 class they signed was tough, people can make fun of them buying a class and all but they did it and no one can do anything about it now. Now from here on out they have to show some real development and to be able to keep everyone in the fold once the season starts rolling. They are so deep at DL, it's ridiculous. Going to take some jedi mind tricks to keep everyone on board with that much talent.
Georgia showed everyone that is the formula for a natty. The best and deepest DL can offset any high flying QB.

So, as long as you can stack most of the NFL level DL..............

Actually Bama and LSU showed that formula long before Georgia. That also a characteristic of Clem's best teams as well.
 
Georgia showed everyone that is the formula for a natty. The best and deepest DL can offset any high flying QB.

So, as long as you can stack most of the NFL level DL..............

Actually Bama and LSU showed that formula long before Georgia. That also a characteristic of Clem's best teams as well.
and catch a few breaks here and there like most champions

but on paper..this DL class, ESPECIALLY if Overton chooses them this spring (reclassification), blows out GA/Bama DL classes in any class
 
You do know that A&M IS one of "those schools" don't you? Yep. Right up there with Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan, Texas, Florida, etal.

At least that is what my Aggie neighbor tells me. :beer2:

There is a hierarchy even when talking about "those schools". Michigan is NEVER going to have the #1 recruiting class. Oklahoma is in the same boat, Notre Dame is in the same boat. Texas A&M was in that boat to until they open up the purse string and purchased a class.

Pretty simple why those teams won't sign the top overall class -- they are relying almost solely on out of state talent when recruiting. ND is ranked 1st right now for 2023 and i bet they aren't top 5 by the time signing day hits for 2023.

When a select few teams start each class multiple in state 5 star recruits or a bunch of top 100 recruits in state -- it is next to impossible for other schools without that type of talent in state to catch up.

If ND could recruit like LSU -- Brian Kelly wouldn't have left. If OU could recruit like USC -- Lincoln Riley wouldn't have left. It isn't that OU and ND don't give you an advantage over other schools, it obviously does, but the advantage is much larger at LSU and USC.
 
I'm sure it doesn't come as a surprise to OU fans. I wouldn't think they are delusional enough to think they will sign the #1. It is why the class Lincoln Riley had put together was such a big deal for them and why it sucks for them Lincoln Riley went to the area where they were signing so many elite recruits. It is like getting screwed twice over by him.

Schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma will always bring in top 20 recruiting classes because of their blue blood status and national brands -- with very little in state talent -- they will never recruit consistently like the elite programs. They have sneak in a top 3 or top 4 class once a decade, but usually it is a year where they had to sign a huge class.
 
Here is how I see it:

- Clearly, the southern states have an advantage. The bulk of the good LOS recruits are from the south. Southern players generally don't want to go to northern/midwestern states.


- But, within the south, coaches that can recruit really matter. It's why the Texas and Florida schools haven't recruited well, and why someone like Smart took UGA from being a really good recruiting school to an elite recruiting school.

- Northern and midwestern schools are at a disadvantage because they have less blue chips in their respective states, and in general the better players don't want to go north to cold weather and ugly women.

- The jury is still out as to whether a really good recruiter could do well a northern or midwestern school, but I'd be inclined to say no as they would get paid to go to the south and coach there (see, Kelley from ND).

- This means CFB championship football is a southern sport for the foreseeable future unless NIL, free agency and expanded playoffs makes a difference, and the northern schools can get coaches who can recruit the south that will stay there.

- While the domination has be greater in the past 20 years, it's not like this is new. Let's look at the past 20 years, then the past 50 years.

Past 20 years - 18 southern teams, 2 northern/midwest teams (tOSU in 14 and 02).
Past 50 years - 35 southern teams, 15 northern/midwest teams (tOSU, UM, ND, Neb, BYU, Colo, Pitt, PSU, WashU)
 
Here is how I see it:

- Clearly, the southern states have an advantage. The bulk of the good LOS recruits are from the south. Southern players generally don't want to go to northern/midwestern states.


- But, within the south, coaches that can recruit really matter. It's why the Texas and Florida schools haven't recruited well, and why someone like Smart took UGA from being a really good recruiting school to an elite recruiting school.

- Northern and midwestern schools are at a disadvantage because they have less blue chips in their respective states, and in general the better players don't want to go north to cold weather and ugly women.

- The jury is still out as to whether a really good recruiter could do well a northern or midwestern school, but I'd be inclined to say no as they would get paid to go to the south and coach there (see, Kelley from ND).

- This means CFB championship football is a southern sport for the foreseeable future unless NIL, free agency and expanded playoffs makes a difference, and the northern schools can get coaches who can recruit the south that will stay there.

- While the domination has be greater in the past 20 years, it's not like this is new. Let's look at the past 20 years, then the past 50 years.

Past 20 years - 18 southern teams, 2 northern/midwest teams (tOSU in 14 and 02).
Past 50 years - 35 southern teams, 15 northern/midwest teams (tOSU, UM, ND, Neb, BYU, Colo, Pitt, PSU, WashU)
We really counting USC, Texas and Oklahoma as southern teams?
 
I am. They certainly aren't northern or midwestern.
Texas and Oklahoma are REALLY pushing it. A team located in Los Angeles doesn't come close to qualifying as southern. LA is probably as far away as you can get from being southern culturally speaking in the US. Was fun watching the LA sports media meltdown in the NLCS though.
 
Texas and Oklahoma are REALLY pushing it. A team located in Los Angeles doesn't come close to qualifying as southern. LA is probably as far away as you can get from being southern culturally speaking in the US. Was fun watching the LA sports media meltdown in the NLCS though.
Their name literally has Southern in it
 
Texas and Oklahoma are REALLY pushing it. A team located in Los Angeles doesn't come close to qualifying as southern. LA is probably as far away as you can get from being southern culturally speaking in the US. Was fun watching the LA sports media meltdown in the NLCS though.
Any team in California is considered West, hence the reason California is called the west coast.

Texas is still west, but considered Southwest because of their state's location being in between the south and west.
 
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