This is why you need a 12 team CFP ...

12 is gay.

Please stop. It's 8 or 16, no more of this queer-ass 12 team shit. Quit worrying about byes you twat.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Hmmm ... checks article on trend that started in 2014, and excludes 2020, the Covid year ... yup, Peter Gonads still a dimwit.

FYI ... they didn't include 20 in the numbers, ffs, read the damn article and information if you are going to get all pissy.
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Blah blah blah blah blah
 
From the games I've been watching on the tube lately, it looks like hoops is just as bad. I see lots of empty seats for some conference games that are "meaningful"! I guess schools only care about media packages anymore. I'm not sure they really care about stadium attendance.

I thought for a while it was just shitty OOC matchups. Now it looks like it is across the board.

New generation I guess. They'd just as soon check in on the game periodically on their phones.
 
Deep Creek said:
From the games I've been watching on the tube lately, it looks like hoops is just as bad. I see lots of empty seats for some conference games that are "meaningful"! I guess schools only care about media packages anymore. I'm not sure they really care about stadium attendance.

I thought for a while it was just shitty OOC matchups. Now it looks like it is across the board.

New generation I guess. They'd just as soon check in on the game periodically on their phones.
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I don't think it's because people are any more busy than they ever were or are just getting lazy. I have to think it's all emblematic of a general malaise in American society where most people just don't have a lot of faith in some things like we used to see in generations past. There is a kind of sickness of the spirit.....a feeling that it's all insincere and life in general has pretty much changed into a fight for survival. That manifests itself in a weakening of bonds with other people, our public institutions and even our own private landmarks like social gatherings, family gatherings and yes......sporting events that used to draw us all together in spite of our differences in race, religion, age and politics. We're like a bunch of ships that have slipped our moorings and are drifting slowly out to sea. We can see each other. We even wave at each other. But we're mostly going our separate directions and one small example of that is not as many people now make the effort to commune together in large groups to watch their favorite teams. A sickness of the spirit is a hard thing to cure.
 
I'd have no issue with a 12-team CFP format if it didn't involve bye weeks.

If bye weeks are a part of said format, then you can fuck right off.
 
Goldbug said:
I don't think it's because people are any more busy than they ever were or are just getting lazy. I have to think it's all emblematic of a general malaise in American society where most people just don't have a lot of faith in some things like we used to see in generations past. There is a kind of sickness of the spirit.....a feeling that it's all insincere and life in general has pretty much changed into a fight for survival. That manifests itself in a weakening of bonds with other people, our public institutions and even our own private landmarks like social gatherings, family gatherings and yes......sporting events that used to draw us all together in spite of our differences in race, religion, age and politics. We're like a bunch of ships that have slipped our moorings and are drifting slowly out to sea. We can see each other. We even wave at each other. But we're mostly going our separate directions and one small example of that is not as many people now make the effort to commune together in large groups to watch their favorite teams. A sickness of the spirit is a hard thing to cure.
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I'm going to have to agree with you GB...at least for the most part. Look at us right here. We're a bunch of college football nuts but we're scattered all over the globe. It is our "community" so to speak but it is virtual.

I could be down at the local coffee shop (aka World Headquarters For Useless Information) rehasing the same old shit over and over with a bunch of old farts. Instead I choose yapping with all you guys about CFB! :beer2:
 
And my kids and grandkids think I'm an inflexible old stick in the mud.

The Rose Bowl "Tradition"

The Big Ten and Pac-12 shared a concern about the future of the Rose Bowl. Traditionally, the Rose Bowl pits the Big Ten champion against the Pac-12 champion, but if those teams are in the CFP -- as they have been at times during the current playoff format -- the Rose Bowl takes the next highest-ranked teams from those leagues.

In an expanded playoff, a normal Rose Bowl would likely be getting the third-best team from the Pac-12 and maybe the fourth-best from the Big Ten, on average, as the top teams would almost assuredly be ranked in the top 12. The Pac-12 and the Rose Bowl don't want to have a semifinal competing against the bowl game in the same traditional New Year's Day three-hour TV window. The request would also be a protection for the other bowls that have contracts with Power 5 conferences, the Sugar and Orange Bowls.

"What we're asking for for the Rose Bowl is a tiny little ask," Kliavkoff said recently on The Paul Finebaum Show. "We've asked for three hours every three years to be protected against having to compete against a CFP quarterfinal. ... Not a big ask. It's difficult to expand the College Football Playoff and also hold onto the great traditions we have in the bowl games. We're trying to do that. It's a difficult balance."

So, the Rose Bowl thinks they should be able to OWN a specific "three hour TV window" just because TTWWADI? It is 2022.

If this ain't like a selfish little kid.......................
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
They want to make more money, obviously. But people are staying home and watching on TV in some places. In others, they don't care as much. Need to do something, but the ACC has their thumb up their ass The Alliance going over the edge with them.



SEASONATTENDANCECHANGE
201444,603-1,068
201543,933-670
201643,612-321
201742,203-1,409
201841,856-347
201941,477-379
202139,848*-1,629

CONFERENCEAVG. ATTENDANCE '21% CHANGE '19NOTES
SEC72,195-0.007Lowest since '99
Big Ten65,252+0.003Highest since '18
Big 1255,017-4.3Lowest since '00
Pac-1243,865-4.8Lowest ever*
ACC42,599-11.7Lowest since '90
Independents32,146-13.2Lowest since '01
AAC28,592-3.0Lowest ever*
MWC21,401-7.9Lowest ever*
Sun Belt18,410+0.04Highest since '13
C-USA18,048-11.5Lowest ever*
MAC17,456+12.4Highest since '06
* Since inception of the American (2013), Mountain West (1999), Conference USA (1996)
* Lowest since 1981
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An expanded Playoff won't have much of an effect on attendance as schools that are doing well will get crowds regardless.

The ACC is holding out because they are trying to find a leverage point to encourage ND to join as a full member. It won't happen but once this thing goes to 12 it makes it that much more difficult to convince ND it's in their best interest.
 
Wild Turkey said:
An expanded Playoff won't have much of an effect on attendance as schools that are doing well will get crowds regardless.

The ACC is holding out because they are trying to find a leverage point to encourage ND to join as a full member. It won't happen but once this thing goes to 12 it makes it that much more difficult to convince ND it's in their best interest.
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While I agree that the ACC is acting against its own best interests, the only leverage they had on ND was to go to 8 with 6 AQs, 2 at large. That would cut down at-larges from 4 (theoretically) to 2. They might have seen the ACC as the best way to get in if that was the case. That is why ND supports 12 with 6 AQs and 6 at-large. 12 teams seems baked in at this point, so I don't think anything they do will matter. And I can't see how to delay gets them out of their contract.

I think the 12 CFP will help with the attendance ... teams that have a shot will have better years of attendance, although they won't see the solid attendance like you do at some of the big boys. Also, we will see a much better slate of OOC games that will drive numbers. But, as I posted above, the dropping attendance has other causes as well. When I can watch the game on a huge TV, drink and eat my own drinks and food, bathroom breaks when I need to, and watch 3 or 4 games instead of 1, being at home is attractive. I'll still go to a couple away games, and a couple of home games, but I won't be going to all games ever again.
 
Illinois tickets in the bleeds are only $39. Still way too much for them. Buy a season ticket package to see a nothingburger G5 team still costs the same per game. I'm cheap. Sue me. I'd rather buy a cable/streaming package and watch which games I want to watch.

Also, the product is becoming oversaturated. Yeah, I like a lot of time slots but the average fan is burning out. We can't all be Alabama.
 
I'm not paying the money or putting in the effort to go to games anymore.
Last game I went to, I took my two boys; it was Kansas @ Oklahoma 2000

I sit back in the A/C, have some snacks, channel surf. It's much better.
Had to get the kids game experience when they were young though.
 
Knight&Day said:
I'd have no issue with a 12-team CFP format if it didn't involve bye weeks.

If bye weeks are a part of said format, then you can fuck right off.
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Well, you can't have 12 with byes ... it just doesn't work. If you don't want byes you have to go with 8 or 16. Here's the problem with that, and why you have to have byes, and I think want byes.

If it's 8, then you get 6 conference champs and then 2 at-large. So this year you would have had:

- Bama (SEC) - 1
- UM (B1G) - 2
- Cincy (G5) - 4
- Baylor (B12) - 7
- Utah (PAC) - 11
- Pitt (ACC) - 12

At large:
- UGA - 3
- ND - 5 (or tOSU - 6)

There are two problems here one with byes - without byes, the 6 conf champs and UGA played a game on the 1st week of December in a CC. ND and tOSU didn't. One of them is getting in with an extra week off.

As an aside this shows why 8 blows so badly ... you got the 7th, 11th, and 12th ranked teams in and you are going to leave out 6, 8, 9, and 10 - 4 teams ranked higher than 2 teams that got in. You simply can't reward them for not getting into the CCG.

If it's 16, then you have:

- Bama (SEC) - 1
- UM (B1G) - 2
- Cincy (G5) - 4
- Baylor (B12) - 7
- Utah (PAC) - 11
- Pitt (ACC) - 12

At large:
- UGA - 3
- ND - 5
- tOSU - 6
- Ole Miss - 8
- OkState - 9
- Mich State - 10
- BYU - 13
- Oregon - 14
- Iowa - 15
- Oklahoma -16

This really shows the problem with no byes ... now you have ND, tOSU, Ole Miss, MichState, BYU, and Oklahoma getting in with a week off while everyone else played in conference championships. You can't give them an edge like that.

This is why byes are needed ... you have to give the best conference champs a bye so they don't have to play teams that were off. The lowest ranked AQs may have to do that, but tough, be one of the 4 best next time.

Running through this, you could argue for a 10 team playoff with 6 AQs, all of whom get byes. Then the other 4 play to get you to 8.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Well, you can't have 12 with byes ... it just doesn't work. If you don't want byes you have to go with 8 or 16. Here's the problem with that, and why you have to have byes, and I think want byes.

If it's 8, then you get 6 conference champs and then 2 at-large. So this year you would have had:

- Bama (SEC) - 1
- UM (B1G) - 2
- Cincy (G5) - 4
- Baylor (B12) - 7
- Utah (PAC) - 11
- Pitt (ACC) - 12

At large:
- UGA - 3
- ND - 5 (or tOSU - 6)

There are two problems here one with byes - without byes, the 6 conf champs and UGA played a game on the 1st week of December in a CC. ND and tOSU didn't. One of them is getting in with an extra week off.

As an aside this shows why 8 blows so badly ... you got the 7th, 11th, and 12th ranked teams in and you are going to leave out 6, 8, 9, and 10 - 4 teams ranked higher than 2 teams that got in. You simply can't reward them for not getting into the CCG.

If it's 16, then you have:

- Bama (SEC) - 1
- UM (B1G) - 2
- Cincy (G5) - 4
- Baylor (B12) - 7
- Utah (PAC) - 11
- Pitt (ACC) - 12

At large:
- UGA - 3
- ND - 5
- tOSU - 6
- Ole Miss - 8
- OkState - 9
- Mich State - 10
- BYU - 13
- Oregon - 14
- Iowa - 15
- Oklahoma -16

This really shows the problem with no byes ... now you have ND, tOSU, Ole Miss, MichState, BYU, and Oklahoma getting in with a week off while everyone else played in conference championships. You can't give them an edge like that.

This is why byes are needed ... you have to give the best conference champs a bye so they don't have to play teams that were off. The lowest ranked AQs may have to do that, but tough, be one of the 4 best next time.

Running through this, you could argue for a 10 team playoff with 6 AQs, all of whom get byes. Then the other 4 play to get you to 8.
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Meant "12 without byes"
 
If the Rose Bowl is so important, why doesn't the PAC 12 and B1G just send their champs there and tell the CFP to stick it after this contract is over. Surely the almighty Rose Bowl and their broadcast partner can make up the financial difference. Let the other conference have the CFP...or not.
 
outofyourmind said:
I'm not paying the money or putting in the effort to go to games anymore.
Last game I went to, I took my two boys; it was Kansas @ Oklahoma 2000

I sit back in the A/C, have some snacks, channel surf. It's much better.
Had to get the kids game experience when they were young though.
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I still enjoy going to games because my buddies are in their early 40's like me.. feels like a getaway from our lives for a weekend.. Easy to plan a trip since we are all coming from different areas to meet up.

But I feel you.. I bought an expensive 8k TV this past year, love watching boxing on it too since I got the whole surround sound hooked up. My wife tells me the same thing.. she rather watch it in our living room than at a stadium where she has a hard time seeing what's going on.. Except for baseball she loves seeing those games in person.
 
Thiefery said:
I still enjoy going to games because my buddies are in their early 40's like me.. feels like a getaway from our lives for a weekend.. Easy to plan a trip since we are all coming from different areas to meet up.

But I feel you.. I bought an expensive 8k TV this past year, love watching boxing on it too since I got the whole surround sound hooked up. My wife tells me the same thing.. she rather watch it in our living room than at a stadium where she has a hard time seeing what's going on.. Except for baseball she loves seeing those games in person.
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Have you noticed any difference in your enjoyment level of going to football games when it's just you and your wife or when it's you and a bunch of your buddies?
 
Attendance declines after expanding from BCS to 4-team playoff.
So the obvious solution is to expand even more :laugh:
 
Oklahoma looks to be pretty steady.

Average Home Attendance
2015 85,357
2016 86,857
2017 86,520
2018 86,735
2019 83,256
2021 77,795

I think the dip in attendance in '19 & '21 is due to seats being taken out, and Luxury Boxes put in.
 
Kburjr said:
Illinois tickets in the bleeds are only $39. Still way too much for them. Buy a season ticket package to see a nothingburger G5 team still costs the same per game. I'm cheap. Sue me. I'd rather buy a cable/streaming package and watch which games I want to watch.

Also, the product is becoming oversaturated. Yeah, I like a lot of time slots but the average fan is burning out. We can't all be Alabama.
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I'm heading to the UVa @ Illinois game this fall. Have a 5 cousins that all went to Illinois, and my brother went to UVa. Will be fun game even if the talent is a little lower than normal.
 
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