2024 Natty discussion: tOSU vs ND

[Across The Field]

There’s maybe a handful of kids in every class where it’s not the case. Hell. This is the top 10. Are you even familiar with most of them? I’m not. View attachment 130860View attachment 130861

You're missing the point entirely. These kids are all either going to better programs than the one they were currently at, or are going somewhere that's going to pay them more. Saying kids only enter the portal because there's an issue with them at all is just flatout wrong.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You're missing the point entirely. These kids are all either going to better programs than the one they were currently at, or are going somewhere that's going to pay them more. Saying kids only enter the portal because there's an issue with them at all is just flatout wrong.

Sure, but in my original statement I was considering "comes from a smaller school" as "something wrong with them". There's a difference between LSU grabbing Joe Burrow from Ohio State because he's buried on the depth chart, and Ohio State grabbing Will Howard, the starter, from Kansas State.

My point is that it's pretty rare for an elite starter at an elite school (top 20?) to up and bolt to another. There's usually something that's causing them to flee -- coaching change being the primary one.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Sure, but in my original statement I was considering "comes from a smaller school" as "something wrong with them". There's a difference between LSU grabbing Joe Burrow from Ohio State because he's buried on the depth chart, and Ohio State grabbing Will Howard, the starter, from Kansas State.

My point is that it's pretty rare for an elite starter at an elite school (top 20?) to up and bolt to another. There's usually something that's causing them to flee -- coaching change being the primary one.

I put this in the recruiting thread with some edits, as to not be accused of trolling (today)

 

[Deep Creek]

Michigan and Texas also played zone coverages predominantly for most of the game.

NDs defensive backfield is very good but Texas had the Thorpe winner and the highest PFF graded safeties in college football. It's easier to blanket a great receiver with zone coverage bc it negates the impact of moving that receiver around pre-snap

Texas made sure that frisbee catching greyhound from tOSU wasn't going to beat them. But tOSU has other frisbee catching greyhounds so there's that.

But Texas' offense is what got them beat, not their defense. (Except that brain fart at the end of the first half.) You ain't going to beat most playoff teams scoring 14 frickin' points.

 

[Deep Creek]

I’d say there’s more Buckeye fans than GT fans in the Atlanta area. Fuckers are every where

I put 200 on ND +8.5 too

If OSU wins by 8 or less, I win 575
If OSU wins a blowout, I win 155
If ND wins outright, I win 100

They are like sin...they are all over the damn world! There are a bunch of them here in DFW for sure.

 

[cwerph]

Texas made sure that frisbee catching greyhound from tOSU wasn't going to beat them. But tOSU has other frisbee catching greyhounds so there's that.

But Texas' offense is what got them beat, not their defense. (Except that brain fart at the end of the first half.) You ain't going to beat most playoff teams scoring 14 frickin' points.

It's hard to blame Texas . . . it isn't like anyone else figured out the Buckeye defense.
Oregon did the first time around, leading to some changes.

 

[Tharvot]

NCG will come down to a few factors:

Who wins the trenches, penalties, and turnovers are always deciding factors.

Major questions/themes that could emerge:

Can ND establish the run and can they hurt Ohio State with downfield shots (probably outside the numbers) when they drop back to pass or will Ohio State's D-line continue its dominant CFP performance?

Can ND's secondary cover Ohio State's star WRs man-to-man? They're elite in the secondary and have been the best unit in man coverage all year, but this will be by far the stiffest test.

Can ND's line stuff Ohio State's rushing attack? ND is a little undersized on the d-line, and if they have to bring extra guys up to defend the run, that could present serious issues on the back end coverage.

 

[Deep Creek]

It's hard to blame Texas . . . it isn't like anyone else figured out the Buckeye defense.
Oregon did the first time around, leading to some changes.

Yeah, really hard to blame any team that made it to the semis…or the playoffs period. I was just saying Texas defense did their part vs tOSU. At least for the most part.

 

[jjc2009]

Can ND establish the run and can they hurt Ohio State with downfield shots (probably outside the numbers) when they drop back to pass or will Ohio State's D-line continue its dominant CFP performance?

They can if they do a better job of mixing in QB designed runs or onto zone read. Leonard should have pulled it a couple of times against Penn State that would have been big gainers. If Ohio State sells out to stop Love and Price this could work. We won’t be passing deep to develop a running game so this will have to do.

Can ND's secondary cover Ohio State's star WRs man-to-man? They're elite in the secondary and have been the best unit in man coverage all year, but this will be by far the stiffest test.

Golden’s DNA is to go man and force pressure up the middle. They would be better served mixing it up and keeping Ohio State guessing. If blitzes don’t get home Ohio State will torch them. Looking forward to Moore on Smith though. Two big bodied players going at it.

Can ND's line stuff Ohio State's rushing attack? ND is a little undersized on the d-line, and if they have to bring extra guys up to defend the run, that could present serious issues on the back end coverage.

LB’s have to play better. Ausberry is crazy athletic but he whiffed a lot against Penn State. KVA and Drayk Bowen can be effective too but need to play their best.

 

[fishinabarrel]

LB’s have to play better. Ausberry is crazy athletic but he whiffed a lot against Penn State. KVA and Drayk Bowen can be effective too but need to play their best.

I think sometimes the athletic LBs run themselves right out of the play when they lack discipline. Ohio State has had a few of them the last decade and they seemed to then try to mix in the less athletic ones to compensate and it did not go well

 

[jjc2009]

Two deep roster is out now. Only thing of note is Jagusah or Baker listed at left tackle. This likely means if Rocco Spindler is good to go at RG, then Jagusah will start at LT, which is where he was supposed to be before he got hurt pre-season. He’s physically capable and better than Baker overall but this is a tough first out.

Only guaranteed injuries are Knapp at LT and Collins questionable with a calf strain but he’s listed as a starter at WR.

 

[jjc2009]

I think sometimes the athletic LBs run themselves right out of the play when they lack discipline. Ohio State has had a few of them the last decade and they seemed to then try to mix in the less athletic ones to compensate and it did not go well

 

[osubuckeye89]

I think sometimes the athletic LBs run themselves right out of the play when they lack discipline. Ohio State has had a few of them the last decade and they seemed to then try to mix in the less athletic ones to compensate and it did not go well

Speaking of LBs

Cody Simon has turned into a legit player

Sonny Styles is now the mega liability, he was terrible against Texas. Was constantly out of position and took some of the worst angles to not get to the ball carrier.

 

[fishinabarrel]

Speaking of LBs

Cody Simon has turned into a legit player

Sonny Styles is now the mega liability, he was terrible against Texas. Was constantly out of position and took some of the worst angles to not get to the ball carrier.

Yeah Simon really turned a corner this season. Styles really is only playing LB for the first time this season but he is the literal definition of he is so athletic he sometimes takes himself right out of the play.

Disappointed CJ Hicks never became what he was supposed to be

 

[ELTEXAN]

This is the least interesting natty since Bama v lsu rematch

 

[fishinabarrel]

This is the least interesting natty since Bama v lsu rematch

Why?

 

[Tharvot]

Why?

cause he loves peckers

 

[Wild Turkey]

ND just seems to find ways to win, even if it's ugly. Ohio State has to come out fast and keep going fast.

If they let it turn into another slug fest like the Cotton Bowl, it's gonna be another stressful night

ND also starts slow and as much as I hate to use this phrase they are “winning the middle 8”.

tOSU needs to start strong but not throttle down and not take risks. ND is winning because their opponents are turning the ball over or allowing big special teams plays.

If I’m Ryan and I get a lead then I get more conservative in regards to be greedy or going on 4th down around midfield.

ND is well coached so you have to scheme to win by putting your best athletes on theirs and winning the individual battles.

 

[Voltaire]

You didn’t play NIU either so I guess we’ll never know.

I am not trying to equate Michigan with Northern Illinois (some one else is ). I am pretty sure we'd be a big underdog against Notre Dame, but I do know we beat ohio state.

Congratulations. You're the equivalent of Northern Illinois.

 

[Tharvot]

ND also starts slow and as much as I hate to use this phrase they are “winning the middle 8”.

tOSU needs to start strong but not throttle down and not take risks. ND is winning because their opponents are turning the ball over or allowing big special teams plays.

If I’m Ryan and I get a lead then I get more conservative in regards to be greedy or going on 4th down around midfield.

ND is well coached so you have to scheme to win by putting your best athletes on theirs and winning the individual battles.

The talent level at ND isn't quite a 1-1 match for what Ohio State can put out there, but like you said they're well coached and they don't beat themselves. Ohio State will have to be sharp and focused to win.