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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
There are levels. And right now we not only have no idea if 1. Michigan broke the rules or 2. how badly the NCAA would consider any violation they did commit. Hence the point of due process.
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1. you are wrong. 2. bad enough for them to expedite the process.

When you know someone is actively cheating you dont continue on as if nothing happened. I think the B1G was soft on MI. The OC and DC both benefited from this cheating.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
No, I think more than 1 B10 coach is getting fired (beyond the interim coaches that will be also fired). I don't think it's particularly important to the argument Im' making. Half the people pushing this punishment will be gone within 1-3 years.
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You think he's siding with people who will be fired in a couple weeks. That's not the case as only one coach will likely be fired. I'm willing to bet, FTR, but you won't.

Half the people in all the conferences will be fired in 1-3 years. That's the nature of the business. Also, I'm sure he doesn't really give a shit. Dude handed down his punishment, he's not scared of big bad Michigan. Lol.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
SO you have a group of people fighting for their job, pushing for a precedent to be set by a brand new commissioner who doesn't know shit about football, to punish a team/coach who's been kicking their ass, for a desperate attempt to cling onto what they have. And most of those people will be gone, leaving this horrible precedent in place in their wake.
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You have experienced coaches who know right from wrong. It doesnt matter how long you have been there as Harbs is proof. He has been around a while and is now on his 2nd suspension for the year. Longevity does not equal integrity.
 
ericd7633 said:
You think he's siding with people who will be fired in a couple weeks. That's not the case as only one coach will likely be fired. I'm willing to bet, FTR, but you won't.

Half the people in all the conferences will be fired in 1-3 years. That's the nature of the business. Also, I'm sure he doesn't really give a shit. Dude handed down his punishment, he's not scared of big bad Michigan. Lol.
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You may be right. I don't particularly care about the timeline. If they're gone in a year, it still illustrates my point. The people pushing for this precedent will be gone soon.

He certainly isn't scared. He should be.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
www.cleveland.com

Ohio State’s self-reported NCAA violations: From oversized posters to poorly timed blocking sleds

Ohio State self-reported 12 NCAA violations for the year ending May 31, including two in football and one in men's basketball.
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cheaters.

So let's just talk hypothetically here. The NCAA investigation happens at rules the Stallions stuff isn't a violation. Then what? Or they say its' a secondary violation? Then what? You suspended a coach with no connection for secondary violations because of pressure from other schools? That's why due process is super important here.
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The NCAA already called it an elaborate scheme. They told the B1G Michigan was cheating. They aren't going to run away from that.
 
cwerph said:
The NCAA already called it an elaborate scheme. They told the B1G Michigan was cheating. They aren't going to run away from that.
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Yes. An elaborate scheme. What they haven't done is ruled it a violation. That scheme very much could have been an elaborate scheme to scoot NCAA rules. They told the B10 what was happening to stop it. That doesn't mean it was illegal. Like I said very early on, we're absolutely going to see the NCAA modify rules around this no matter what happens to michigan. Either they'll specifically call out 3rd party scouting - or - remove it entirely and allow helmet mics.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You may be right. I don't particularly care about the timeline. If they're gone in a year, it still illustrates my point. The people pushing for this precedent will be gone soon.

He certainly isn't scared. He should be.
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Okay, and if Michigan cheats again in 3 years, a new cycle of coaches will rightfully argue for some type of reprimand, and those coaches will also be fired within 1-3 years.
 
ericd7633 said:
Okay, and if Michigan cheats again in 3 years, a new cycle of coaches will rightfully argue for some type of reprimand, and those coaches will also be fired within 1-3 years.
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Again with the word "cheat". The NCAA has not ruled this the case.

The B10 isn't arguing we're cheating either. The B10 is saying we were unsportsmanlike. One day every one of these schools is going to be accused of something, and guilty or not Michigan is going to push to have the B10 punish them because of this precedent.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Again with the word "cheat". The NCAA has not ruled this the case.

The B10 isn't arguing we're cheating either. The B10 is saying we were unsportsmanlike. One day every one of these schools is going to be accused of something, and guilty or not Michigan is going to push to have the B10 punish them because of this precedent.
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Okay, and when other B1G schools cheat, call them out for it and demand some type of reprimand.
 
ericd7633 said:
Okay, and when other B1G schools cheat, call them out for it and demand some type of reprimand.
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Oh see, that's where you're wrong. The precedent is set. Teams don't need to cheat to be punished. Hence the problem here. Was Minnesota acting against the B10 sportsmanship policy earlier this year with the "Fleck Bank"? I bet Michigan will argue that in the future.

The Big Ten Conference expects all contests involving amember institution to be conducted without compromise to any fundamental element ofsportsmanship. Such fundamental elements include integrity of the competition, civility towardall, and respect, particularly toward opponents and officials
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Seems pretty "disrespectful" to me. That's what we're talking about here. This is the precedent that's been set.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Oh see, that's where you're wrong. The precedent is set. Teams don't need to cheat to be punished. Hence the problem here. Was Minnesota acting against the B10 sportsmanship policy earlier this year with the "Fleck Bank"? I bet Michigan will argue that in the future.



Seems pretty "disrespectful" to me. That's what we're talking about here. This is the precedent that's been set.
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Then argue it. And it's ironic you calling me wrong when you have been basically this entire time.
 
ericd7633 said:
Then argue it. And it's ironic you calling me wrong when you have been basically this entire time.
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I underestimated the incompetence of the new big ten commissioner, but that's days away from being righted. And your team's day will come.

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ellupo said:
No grasping. I just look at what actually happened and not the propaganda put out by UM. I cant remember the last time I saw UM beat TOSU without cheating. Im old, I forget but it's easy to do that when it's been over a decade.
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Grasping is EXACTLY what you are doing. Newsflash -- Michigan beat OSU the last two years because you were soft. That is why UM put up 1,000+ yards and 90+ points.
You had our signs last year, which you passed on to Purdue, knew about Stalions so you had new signs for the UM game, played the game in Columbus, while UM was missing their best player on offense and our top DE who was the B1G defensive player of the year and STILL LOST by 3 scores.

Keep up the excuse though. What will the excuses be this year? I can't wait to hear them.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Yes. An elaborate scheme. What they haven't done is ruled it a violation. That scheme very much could have been an elaborate scheme to scoot NCAA rules. They told the B10 what was happening to stop it. That doesn't mean it was illegal. Like I said very early on, we're absolutely going to see the NCAA modify rules around this no matter what happens to michigan. Either they'll specifically call out 3rd party scouting - or - remove it entirely and allow helmet mics.
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They make medications for people with this kind of delusion. Seek help.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Grasping is EXACTLY what you are doing. Newsflash -- Michigan beat OSU the last two years because you were soft. That is why UM put up 1,000+ yards and 90+ points.
You had our signs last year, which you passed on to Purdue, knew about Stalions so you had new signs for the UM game, played the game in Columbus, while UM was missing their best player on offense and our top DE who was the B1G defensive player of the year and STILL LOST by 3 scores.

Keep up the excuse though. What will the excuses be this year? I can't wait to hear them.
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Since they were caught cheating the last 2 years how can you say for sure? I saw MI and what they did before they cheated, during their cheatin ways and OOC. The numbers dont lie. They needed that cheatin to win. The bowl record proves that.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The University of Michigan is finally back in its rightful, god-given place in the Universe: that is, the Center of the Universe. Hulking, not shrinking, under the spotlight of international attention. Persevering through unjust persecution. Battling back with our most feared weapon: intellectual rigor and expensive lawyers.
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LOL @ you plagiarizing that. :facepalm:

 
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