AP Poll is interesting ...

ericd7633 said:
A&M vs. Texas should be an elimination game for both. Texas would have a grand total of zero ranked wins if they don't beat them. But this committee pretty clearly values the quality loss with where OSU, Texas, PSU and BYU were ranked Tuesday.

I'll be interested to see where Ole Miss is ranked since they have an atrocious loss to Kentucky. My guess is that gets overlooked. If they're ahead of ND, it will truly be laughable.
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Same thing can be said of IU if they lose to tOSU ... they wouldn't have another win against a ranked opponent, and 3 terrible OOC games. A 5th two-loss SEC team would have a way better SOS.

Interesting you say that about ND when they have even a more atrocious loss than Ole Miss has, and OM has a way better SOS. You think you can beat what you saw us play yesterday? That was some of the best DL play I've seen in a while (even though our OL is terrible this year).
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Same thing can be said of IU if they lose to tOSU ... they wouldn't have another win against a ranked opponent, and 3 terrible OOC games. A 5th two-loss SEC team would have a way better SOS.

Interesting you say that about ND when they have even a more atrocious loss than Ole Miss has, and OM has a way better SOS. You think you can beat what you saw us play yesterday? That was some of the best DL play I've seen in a while (even though our OL is terrible this year).
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At least ND won @ Texas A&M. That was a great win and could be super great if A&M wins the SEC.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Same thing can be said of IU if they lose to tOSU ... they wouldn't have another win against a ranked opponent, and 3 terrible OOC games. A 5th two-loss SEC team would have a way better SOS.

Interesting you say that about ND when they have even a more atrocious loss than Ole Miss has, and OM has a way better SOS. You think you can beat what you saw us play yesterday? That was some of the best DL play I've seen in a while (even though our OL is terrible this year).
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Yeah, I agree with your first part. IU wouldn't either. But they'd have the way better loss, and only one of them.

Both losses are atrocious. Neither NIU or Kentucky is a top half CFB team. Ole Miss has a better SoS as of now, but that gap will lessen and be inconsequential by the end of the season. Do I think we can beat Ole Miss? Yeah. Kentucky did, so that leaves the door open to a lot of teams being hypothetically able to beat them. And yes, I'm aware the same can be said about ND.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't see that happening. When I said a 3 loss team doesn't get in, I meant that before the CCG.

If UGA beats UTjr, and ATM beats Texas, that's too bad because the SEC would have 5 teams better than PSU and IU, IMO.

If we each get 4 and PSU and IU get trucked, we will go to AQs, or to 14 teams in 2026.

It's a weird year. Look at and explain this - I am not sure what it means:

B1G - 0 and 1 loss teams, then 4 loss teams, but most with 4 or 5.
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You're talking about "deserves".

I'm talking about what will be. We've already seen where the committee has PSU with a loss. It's not like they're going to drop them 7 spots without taking another.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Comparing the SEC with the B1G is really weird and I would love to hear the B1G feedback. You have 4 top teams, and then a bunch of mid after that. The SEC has 8 top/solid teams and then some bad teams. If the SEC only gets 4 and then IU and PSU get crushed that's not going to be good for the B1G.
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That does it! I'm revoking your SEC Homer Card for blasphemy such as this!
michaeljordan_fan said:
I'll be fascinated to see if a 2 loss SEC team that becomes a 3 loss SEC team because of the SECCG gets punished by the committee.
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I'd even broaden that a little. It is shaping up for the committee to push SOS and wins (plural) over ranked teams down the priority list in favor of overall record. If they reward such, an argument could be made for G5s, ACC and Big 12 and why in the hell would anyone want to schedule good OOC games in the future? At least as far as CFP consideration is concerned.
 
ericd7633 said:
Yep, which is miles better than anything Texas or PSU has. Miles better.
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I'd add Indiana to the Texas, Penn State list of top 10 teams that don't have one. At least to this point in time.
 
Deep Creek said:
Things like this are why I like the 12 team playoff. Another example is BYU needs SMU to win the ACC.
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I mean...they don't need SMU to do anything. BYU can just keep winning.
 
78Cyclones said:
At least ND won @ Texas A&M. That was a great win and could be super great if A&M wins the SEC.
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I agree ... that could be a big thing for them. Maybe get them the 5 seed if they win out and things break right elsewhere.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I agree ... that could be a big thing for them. Maybe get them the 5 seed if they win out and things break right elsewhere.
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Highly unlikely. #5 seed is basically reserved for b1g loser.
 
ericd7633 said:
Yeah, I agree with your first part. IU wouldn't either. But they'd have the way better loss, and only one of them.

Both losses are atrocious. Neither NIU or Kentucky is a top half CFB team. Ole Miss has a better SoS as of now, but that gap will lessen and be inconsequential by the end of the season. Do I think we can beat Ole Miss? Yeah. Kentucky did, so that leaves the door open to a lot of teams being hypothetically able to beat them. And yes, I'm aware the same can be said about ND.
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Your first part - that's kind of the point, isn't it? If they just count losses, and don't do a holistic review, the one loss team gets in before the two loss team. If they do that, there won't be a committee in 2026 and the SEC and the B1G will get the two byes in a 14-team playoff, and 4 AQs each. I don't want that, but that is what will happen if they don't account for SOS when teams play vastly different levels of competition. If IU gets in before UGA because they had 1 loss and UGA had 2, you would be ignoring that IU played and lost to 1 ranked team, while UGA played Clemson, @Bama, @Texas, @OM, and Tenn losing two away games. The committee's job is to determine what IU's record would be playing UGA's schedule, and what would UGA's be if they played IU's schedule.

IMO you can't compare UNI and Kentucky losses. UNI is not good, and doesn't play anyone. UNI has the 71st SOS, while Kentucky is 6th. If UNI had run the table in the MAC, maybe you would have an argument. But they are 5-4. You have the worst loss in all CFB, and if ATM wins the SEC, you might have the best win in CFB.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
You're talking about "deserves".

I'm talking about what will be. We've already seen where the committee has PSU with a loss. It's not like they're going to drop them 7 spots without taking another.
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I don't know where you got "deserves" from, and I don't know where you got that PSU wouldn't be in. I think they are a lock at this point, absent another loss. I was talking more about what would happen to UI if they lose, or tOSU if they have 2 losses before the B1GCG.

What's interesting is that they way the CFP has the rankings going right now, IMO and the SOS, the SEC's top teams have played a much more difficult schedule. Yet, 4 of the top 5 are B1G, and it's not like there is anything that teams other than UTjr and Texas can go to move up. Even if ATM beats Texas and UGA beats UTjr, neither team will move into the top 5. If you think that the SEC doesn't have a single top 5 team, I have some swamp property. But, we have more top teams that beat each other up this year.

As I said, this could be a really interesting year when some of the best SEC teams are going to be ranked 7-12 and the people who think its going to be fun to play no. 10 or no. 11 might not feel that way when it is Ole Miss or UGA.

Look no one knows. Maybe the B1G teams are all way better than the SEC teams. That's what the polls are showing. I am biased of course, but that seems like nonsense to me but I can't really see how the polls will adjust for that in the next 4 weeks.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't know where you got "deserves" from, and I don't know where you got that PSU wouldn't be in. I think they are a lock at this point, absent another loss. I was talking more about what would happen to UI if they lose, or tOSU if they have 2 losses before the B1GCG.

What's interesting is that they way the CFP has the rankings going right now, IMO and the SOS, the SEC's top teams have played a much more difficult schedule. Yet, 4 of the top 5 are B1G, and it's not like there is anything that teams other than UTjr and Texas can go to move up. Even if ATM beats Texas and UGA beats UTjr, neither team will move into the top 5. If you think that the SEC doesn't have a single top 5 team, I have some swamp property. But, we have more top teams that beat each other up this year.

As I said, this could be a really interesting year when some of the best SEC teams are going to be ranked 7-12 and the people who think its going to be fun to play no. 10 or no. 11 might not feel that way when it is Ole Miss or UGA.

Look no one knows. Maybe the B1G teams are all way better than the SEC teams. That's what the polls are showing. I am biased of course, but that seems like nonsense to me but I can't really see how the polls will adjust for that in the next 4 weeks.
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Possible a b1g upset happens, but 2 loss osu is in, 1 loss iu is in
 
Deep Creek said:
That does it! I'm revoking your SEC Homer Card for blasphemy such as this!

I'd even broaden that a little. It is shaping up for the committee to push SOS and wins (plural) over ranked teams down the priority list in favor of overall record. If they reward such, an argument could be made for G5s, ACC and Big 12 and why in the hell would anyone want to schedule good OOC games in the future? At least as far as CFP consideration is concerned.
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I've said this many times ... if they simply go by losses, there won't be a committee in 2026.

We actually have 2 extremes to look at this year to see what they do. Assuming UGA beats UTjr - and I am not comfortable with that the way we played against OM - you would have a 10-2 UGA and a 11-1/12-0 UI.

Now tell me what IU's record would be if they played this:
Clemson in ATL, @Bama, @Texas, @OM, Tenn. Hell, throw in GaTech for our Nerd friend here.

What would UGA's record be if they played UI's?

That is going to be the committee's job.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Highly unlikely. #5 seed is basically reserved for b1g loser.
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I am assuming you mean this year. I agree that in most years it will be the loser of the B1G or SEC CCG. And the way the polls are lining up, you are probably right although with the SEC's SOS that pisses my off a bit. But, I can live with it.
 
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