AP Poll is interesting ...

[ELTEXAN]

Texas' schedule is UGA and A&M. Nobody else is really worth anything. If all these SEC teams have 2 losses, Texas' resume will be by far the worst. It stinks for them Michigan and OU turned out to be terrible this year. That's obviously not the case most years.

Texas plays the teams that directly beat all the teams you imply are better.

 

[ericd7633]

Texas plays the teams that directly beat all the teams you imply are better.

I didn't imply anyone was better. Texas would have the worst resume out of that grouping if they lose to A&M and everyone finished with 2 losses. 0 ranked wins.

 

[ELTEXAN]

I didn't imply anyone was better. Texas would have the worst resume out of that grouping if they lose to A&M and everyone finished with 2 losses. 0 ranked wins.

Yes. It’s a direct implication. It literally is a direct implication. Like, a logical implication of your argument.
We play the teams that beat all the teams you DIRECTLY imply are better.

 

[ericd7633]

Yes. It’s a direct implication. It literally is a direct implication. Like, a logical implication of your argument.
We play the teams that beat all the teams you DIRECTLY imply are better.

There's a difference between quality of the team, and quality of the resume. I didn't imply all those teams are better than Texas. Just would have better resumes.

As an example, if both Texas and Tennessee are 2 loss teams, Tennessee would have the better resume, but IMO, Texas is the better team.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[NinerSpartan]

Really want to make a brands>resumes post regarding Texas, but there's a few teams that have pretty records but no good wins.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

You know I am not that dumb. Of course they won't be because 2 teams lost in front of them. But they won't be 4th as you intimated.

You've been harping about them not looking at SOS - I am guessing because you were looking at the AP poll. I get it, it can be confusing. But you have to admit that the CFP did take SOS into consideration, at least with regard to IU. So lose the "Please tell me you aren't that dumb" bullshit. We were respectfully discussing something. Let's keep it that way.

And you keep ignoring my question - what would IU's record be if they played UGA's schedule, because that will be relevant.

I never claimed they would be #4. No one cares about the AP poll.

Couldn't care less about your question, as I am stating what the committee will do, not what it should do

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Yes. It’s a direct implication. It literally is a direct implication. Like, a logical implication of your argument.
We play the teams that beat all the teams you DIRECTLY imply are better.

Lol @ saying "we beat Vandy, so this is comparable to playing Bama"

 

[78Cyclones]

Let's assume that the ACC and Big 12 are one bid leagues. I think that's the most likely scenario. Notre Dame is also likely to win out and make the CFP. The G5 will be there as well. That leaves 8 bids for the SEC and Big Ten.

In the Big Ten you have:

Oregon
Ohio State
Penn State
Indiana

In the SEC you have:
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
Tennessee

2 of the teams above are going to miss the playoffs.

Don't forget Washington State.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Don't forget Washington State.

They have no shot.

 

[78Cyclones]

They have no shot.

I know, I know, because there will be four teams from the B1G Farce.

Back to deserve (which I know you are not discussing), Washington State (11-1) compares very favorably to Indiana (11-1) if the Hoosiers lose @ Ohio State.

Funny, after the B1G Farce Top 4, the next best teams are Illinois (6-3) and Iowa (6-4). I wonder which of those two juggernauts gets to go to the Citrus Bowl to play a 2 loss SEC team?

 

[Across The Field]

I know, I know, because there will be four teams from the B1G Farce.

Back to deserve (which I know you are not discussing), Washington State (11-1) compares very favorably to Indiana (11-1) if the Hoosiers lose @ Ohio State.

Funny, after the B1G Farce Top 4, the next best teams are Illinois (6-3) and Iowa (6-4). I wonder which of those two juggernauts gets to go to the Citrus Bowl to play a 2 loss SEC team?

Not sure how WSU would compare favorably to Indiana unless OSU beats them by like 40+. WSU was smoked by Boise State and then has played a G5 schedule the rest of the way with very narrow wins against teams like Fresno State, San Jose State and San Diego State.

 

[dhoey]

The problem with using strength of schedule as a defining metric, is you have to define it in one of two ways.

1. Count the losses.
2. Team x is better than team y because reasons.

One is math, one is opinion and as soon as you mix the two, it becomes open for interpretation.

College football got themselves into this stupid mess by having mega conferences and a committee. It makes no sense until you realize that's exactly how they wanted it.

 

[Deep Creek]

I mean...they don't need SMU to do anything. BYU can just keep winning.

One would think the higher SMU is ranked the better the seeding for BYU. That said, I wouldn't hang my hat on such logical and unbiased thinking. There are too many other things that can influence the committee besides objectivity. As @Thiefery reminds me quite often, BRANDS still matter.

The committee isn't dummies. They'll set up the rankings each week in order for them to utilize Skinner's Constant aka Flannagen's Finagling Factor. "That quantity which, when multiplied by, divided into, added to, or subtracted from the answer you got, gives you the answer you should have gotten."

The committee screwed up and didn't use Skinner/Flannagen when they allowed Cincy and TCU into the CFP. Those teams got blown out. (Well, TCU did beat Michigan but the next game was a total disaster.)

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

One would think the higher SMU is ranked the better the seeding for BYU. That said, I wouldn't hang my hat on such logical and unbiased thinking. There are too many other things that can influence the committee besides objectivity. As @Thiefery reminds me quite often, BRANDS still matter.

The committee isn't dummies. They'll set up the rankings each week in order for them to utilize Skinner's Constant aka Flannagen's Finagling Factor. "That quantity which, when multiplied by, divided into, added to, or subtracted from the answer you got, gives you the answer you should have gotten."

The committee screwed up and didn't use Skinner/Flannagen when they allowed Cincy and TCU into the CFP. Those teams got blown out. (Well, TCU did beat Michigan but the next game was a total disaster.)

BYU's cap for seeding is #3. They aren't going to go above a B1G or SEC champ. The ACC/BigXII/MWC can fight over the #3/#4 seeds, but if BYU keeps winning what SMU does isn't going to matter since an undefeated BYU is above any MWC/ACC champ.

For 2022, who should have gone ahead of TCU? Their case was pretty strong.

 

[Deep Creek]

Look no one knows. Maybe the B1G teams are all way better than the SEC teams

...but I'm still revoking your SEC Homer Card.

I've said this many times ... if they simply go by losses, there won't be a committee in 2026.

We actually have 2 extremes to look at this year to see what they do. Assuming UGA beats UTjr - and I am not comfortable with that the way we played against OM - you would have a 10-2 UGA and a 11-1/12-0 UI.

Now tell me what IU's record would be if they played this:
Clemson in ATL, @Bama, @Texas, @OM, Tenn. Hell, throw in GaTech for our Nerd friend here.

What would UGA's record be if they played UI's?

That is going to be the committee's job.

 

[Deep Creek]

College football got themselves into this stupid mess by having mega conferences and a committee. It makes no sense until you realize that's exactly how they wanted it.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Haven't looked too closely at the SECCG tiebreakers. If UGA beats Tennessee, what needs to happen for them to go to Atlanta?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I do hope they account for SOS. A 2 loss Texas and UGA have extremely different resumes. UGA, IMO, will have the best resume out of all the SEC teams. I'd be okay if they were ranked ahead of 1 loss IU or PSU. But not Texas, their best win would be against Vandy? A 2 loss Ole Miss and Tennessee have pretty weak resumes as well.

Both Kentucky and NIU are terrible. Just because Kentucky has played a difficult schedule doesn't mean they are a quality team. FSU has the 5th ranked schedule. They suck. Just like Kentucky.

Kentucky would beat the snot out of UNI. That said, the discussion was which was the worst loss ... losing to UNI was a way worse loss that losing to Ky, although both are bad losses which is what I said in my original post with you.

 

[Deep Creek]

BYU's cap for seeding is #3. They aren't going to go above a B1G or SEC champ. The ACC/BigXII/MWC can fight over the #3/#4 seeds, but if BYU keeps winning what SMU does isn't going to matter since an undefeated BYU is above any MWC/ACC champ.

For 2022, who should have gone ahead of TCU? Their case was pretty strong.

A more accurate question would be "Who should have gone ahead of TCU and Michigan?" Georgia/Ohio State was the final.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

A more accurate question would be "Who should have gone ahead of TCU and Michigan?" Georgia/Ohio State was the final.

Michigan beat Ohio State and was undefeated.