B1G in discussion to eliminate divisions by 2023

Blackshirts BLVD said:
That's not how it has always been. No reason to think it always will from here on out.

Congrats, you can see the problem with CFB.
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You can hope and pray the landscape of college football changes, but unless they put in a college draft to spread the talent out (which will NEVER happen) -- it will stay like this for a long, long time. Why? Because the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are located in the South, Southwest or West. So the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are going to go to school in the...........you guessed it.............the South, Southwest or West.

It is why I've told Nebraska fans for a long time -- the days of being nationally elite are over. No chance they can recruit like the other elite programs as they have zero in state talent and zero talent in surrounding states. If the B1G removes divisions, it will take what little chance Nebraska had to reach the CFP and make it even harder, as they will be out of the weak division of the B1G and forced to compete with OSU, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. Imagine how much complaining Frost will do about the schedule being too tough if that happens?
 
From 1970 - 1979 = there were 3 conferences represented as champions, with 3 independents (two different) as champs, and 7 different total champions.

70 - big 8 - Nebraska
71 - big 8 - Nebraska
72 - pac - USC
73 - indy/sec - ND/Bama
74 - pac/big 8 - USC/OU
75 - big 8 - OU
76 - indy - Pitt
77 - indy - ND
78 - sec/pac - Bama/USC
79 - sec - Bama

everyone is mostly sprinkled around.

From 1980 - 1989 = there were 4 conferences represented as champions with 6 independents (3 different) as champs, and 7 different total champions.

80 - sec - UGA
81 - acc - Clemson
82 - indy - Penn St
83 - indy - Miami
84 - wac - BYU
85 - big 8 - OU
86 - indy - Penn St
87 - indy - Miami
88 - indy - ND
89 - indy - Miami

sprinked around.


From 1990 - 1999 = there were 6 conferences represented as champions (7 if you include the change of big 8 to big 12), with 8 different total champions **10 due to split titles**

90 - big8/acc - CU/Gtech
91 - pac/big east - Washington/Miami
92 - sec - Bama
93 - acc - FSU
94 - big 8 - Nebraska
95 - big 8 - Nebraska
96 - sec - Florida
97 - big 12/big10 - Nebraska/Michigan
98 - sec - Tennessee
99 - acc - FSU

sprinkled around.

From 2000-2009 = there were 5 different conferences represented as champions with 8 different champions.

2000 - big 12 - OU
2001 - big east - Miami
2002 - big 10 - Ohio St
2003 - sec/pac - LSU/USC
2004 - pac - USC
2005 - big 12 - Texas
2006 - sec - Florida
2007 - sec - LSU
2008 - sec - Florida
2009 - sec - Bama

4 straight hurts CFB, but there are still 8 different champs, so that helps.

From 2011-2021 = there were 3 conferences represented with only 6 different champs in 12 years. Bad trend.

10 - sec - Auburn
11 - sec - Bama
12 - sec - Bama
13 - acc - FSU
14 - big10 - Ohio St
15 - sec - Bama
16 - acc - Clemson
17 - sec - Bama
18 - acc - Clemson
19 - sec - LSU
20 - sec - Bama
21 - sec UGA

carrying over from the previous decade, it was 7 straight. A bigger difference? An SEC team made it to EVERY SINGLE national title game from 2006-2021 (16 straight years).

I don't blame the SEC, Saban, or Bama, you play to win afterall... but it is bad for CFB.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You can hope and pray the landscape of college football changes, but unless they put in a college draft to spread the talent out (which will NEVER happen) -- it will stay like this for a long, long time. Why? Because the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are located in the South, Southwest or West. So the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are going to go to school in the...........you guessed it.............the South, Southwest or West.

It is why I've told Nebraska fans for a long time -- the days of being nationally elite are over. No chance they can recruit like the other elite programs as they have zero in state talent and zero talent in surrounding states. If the B1G removes divisions, it will take what little chance Nebraska had to reach the CFP and make it even harder, as they will be out of the weak division of the B1G and forced to compete with OSU, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State.
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Again, that has never changed. Since the beginning of CFB, the same area have been flush with recruits.
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Imagine how much complaining Frost will do about the schedule being too tough if that happens?
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You picked a weird sentence to come out of the closet on.
 
As is always the case, Nebraska lives in NewPhoneWhoDis (a.k.a. TrustMeIAmRight's) head rent free.

It's the whole 1997 butthurt.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I wouldn't put ND in the top 8, they are in the same boat as a Michigan -- not enough in state talent and having to rely almost soley on recruiting nationally. They will have teams good enough to get to the dance, but they will never put together teams like so many teams in the South.

The other 7 I'd keep. The last of the 8, I'd take either TAMU or Texas, just because of the enormous amount of talent in the state -- if they ever get the right coach in place -- they could easily field a NC contender. Honestly -- you could just give me Bama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, LSU and USC (now that they finally have a coach who looks like he will be holding the talent in Cali at home) and I'd wager 1 of those 6 teams will win 9 of the next 10 National titles and wouldn't be surprised in the least if it were 10 out of 10.

The talk of "parity" in CFB is laughable. As long as the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are located in a select few areas of the country -- the teams in the select few areas of the country will continue to be the teams winning titles. Only way any team outside of those areas will ever be a national power with a legit chance to win a NC is if they have an alumni who decides to buy some recruiting classes.
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The Florida schools have to be given consideration just because of their in state talent. But, they are just like California and Texas in that in state talent isn't worth a shit if you don't keep it at home and can't coach it up.
 
Deep Creek said:
The Florida schools have to be given consideration just because of their in state talent. But, they are just like California and Texas in that in state talent isn't worth a shit if you don't keep it at home and can't coach it up.
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they will begin to start keeping the highly ones in state. This past class, using the 247 composite top 20 players in the state. Only 4 are leaving the lone star state.
 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
Again, that has never changed. Since the beginning of CFB, the same area have been flush with recruits.

You picked a weird sentence to come out of the closet on.
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Of course it has changed. The midwest used to be the epicenter for recruiting. At one point -- Indiana was considered a hot bed for elite recruits. As industrial and manufacturing jobs declined -- the population shifted from the Midwest to the South for employment and warmer climates.

It is crazy that this needs to be explained. I will use florida as an example. In 1980 -- Florida Census Population figure was 9.6 million. In 2020 -- Florida's census population figure was 21.5 million. During that same time period -- Michigan has went from 9.2 million to 10.0 million. Why? Because the population has shifted to the south and warmer climates. California has went up 18 million people since 1980. Texas has went up 19 million people since 1980.

Crazy to me that this needs to be explained.
 
Deep Creek said:
The Florida schools have to be given consideration just because of their in state talent. But, they are just like California and Texas in that in state talent isn't worth a shit if you don't keep it at home and can't coach it up.
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Yeah -- They have to be included too, but for whatever reason, Florida players seem more likely to want to get out of the state. That state is bat shit crazy :pound:
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yeah -- They have to be included too, but for whatever reason, Florida players seem more likely to want to get out of the state. That state is bat shit crazy :pound:
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has nothing to do if the state is bat shit crazy, it's because the hirings have been mediocre to bad. I think Florida will look a lot like Texas next cycle with most of it's blue chips staying in state.
 
Thiefery said:
has nothing to do if the state is bat shit crazy, it's because the hirings have been mediocre to bad. I think Florida will look a lot like Texas next cycle with most of it's blue chips staying in state.
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It is possible -- I just hope Texas shuts the borders so all the damn Texas kids stop going to OSU. Enough already.
 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
That's not how it has always been. No reason to think it always will from here on out.

Congrats, you can see the problem with CFB.
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It's always been that way, just different teams for different reasons.

In the modern era, 6 SEC schools have won NC ... that means that 8 haven't. The bottom 80% schools haven't been competitive in a long time, if ever. Don't see that changing. Have to give them a shot at (1) getting into the CFP, (2) winning the conference, and (3) winning big rivalries. There is never a way to drive total parity in a sport that has never had it.
 
Deep Creek said:
The Florida schools have to be given consideration just because of their in state talent. But, they are just like California and Texas in that in state talent isn't worth a shit if you don't keep it at home and can't coach it up.
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Yeah, UF, FSU, Miami, UT, TAMU and USC are all based on fertile recruiting grounds.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yeah -- They have to be included too, but for whatever reason, Florida players seem more likely to want to get out of the state. That state is bat shit crazy :pound:
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You have to stop and really think if a kid from Florida is a Florida kid. It's transitory state which means these kids grew up elsewhere in many instances. We see that in Atlanta a lot. They may live in Ga, but they aren't Georgia kids.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Of course it has changed. The midwest used to be the epicenter for recruiting. At one point -- Indiana was considered a hot bed for elite recruits. As industrial and manufacturing jobs declined -- the population shifted from the Midwest to the South for employment and warmer climates.

It is crazy that this needs to be explained. I will use florida as an example. In 1980 -- Florida Census Population figure was 9.6 million. In 2020 -- Florida's census population figure was 21.5 million. During that same time period -- Michigan has went from 9.2 million to 10.0 million. Why? Because the population has shifted to the south and warmer climates. California has went up 18 million people since 1980. Texas has went up 19 million people since 1980.

Crazy to me that this needs to be explained.
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I would suggest that when you dig deeper, Cali is more Asian and Latin today and that isn't exactly a hotbed for football recruits.
 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
From 1970 - 1979 = there were 3 conferences represented as champions, with 3 independents (two different) as champs, and 7 different total champions.

70 - big 8 - Nebraska
71 - big 8 - Nebraska
72 - pac - USC
73 - indy/sec - ND/Bama
74 - pac/big 8 - USC/OU
75 - big 8 - OU
76 - indy - Pitt
77 - indy - ND
78 - sec/pac - Bama/USC
79 - sec - Bama

everyone is mostly sprinkled around.

From 1980 - 1989 = there were 4 conferences represented as champions with 6 independents (3 different) as champs, and 7 different total champions.

80 - sec - UGA
81 - acc - Clemson
82 - indy - Penn St
83 - indy - Miami
84 - wac - BYU
85 - big 8 - OU
86 - indy - Penn St
87 - indy - Miami
88 - indy - ND
89 - indy - Miami

sprinked around.


From 1990 - 1999 = there were 6 conferences represented as champions (7 if you include the change of big 8 to big 12), with 8 different total champions **10 due to split titles**

90 - big8/acc - CU/Gtech
91 - pac/big east - Washington/Miami
92 - sec - Bama
93 - acc - FSU
94 - big 8 - Nebraska
95 - big 8 - Nebraska
96 - sec - Florida
97 - big 12/big10 - Nebraska/Michigan
98 - sec - Tennessee
99 - acc - FSU

sprinkled around.

From 2000-2009 = there were 5 different conferences represented as champions with 8 different champions.

2000 - big 12 - OU
2001 - big east - Miami
2002 - big 10 - Ohio St
2003 - sec/pac - LSU/USC
2004 - pac - USC
2005 - big 12 - Texas
2006 - sec - Florida
2007 - sec - LSU
2008 - sec - Florida
2009 - sec - Bama

4 straight hurts CFB, but there are still 8 different champs, so that helps.

From 2011-2021 = there were 3 conferences represented with only 6 different champs in 12 years. Bad trend.

10 - sec - Auburn
11 - sec - Bama
12 - sec - Bama
13 - acc - FSU
14 - big10 - Ohio St
15 - sec - Bama
16 - acc - Clemson
17 - sec - Bama
18 - acc - Clemson
19 - sec - LSU
20 - sec - Bama
21 - sec UGA

carrying over from the previous decade, it was 7 straight. A bigger difference? An SEC team made it to EVERY SINGLE national title game from 2006-2021 (16 straight years).

I don't blame the SEC, Saban, or Bama, you play to win afterall... but it is bad for CFB.
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I don't think anyone here doesn't get what you just typed out - thanks for the info, though. We all get that. The question is why is it that way, and assuming we want to change it, how do you do that?

Some off the top of my head whys:

- Emergence of black players in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
- Demographic shifts from midwest and north to south.
- Pro sports more popular in the midwest and north?

The only thing I can think that makes sense to do is what they are doing:
- NIL
- Free agency
- Expand CFP
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think anyone here doesn't get what you just typed out - thanks for the info, though. We all get that. The question is why is it that way, and assuming we want to change it, how do you do that?

Some off the top of my head whys:

- Emergence of black players in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
- Demographic shifts from midwest and north to south.
- Pro sports more popular in the midwest and north?

The only thing I can think that makes sense to do is what they are doing:
- NIL
- Free agency
- Expand CFP
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The demographic shift is what has led to this. Midwest states have mostly stayed stagnant as population has grown nationally, while warm climate state have seen their populations essentially double over the last 40 years.

Florida went from being the same size as Michigan to having 12 million more people than Michigan in 40 years. As I stated in an earlier post -- Texas and California have went up 18-19 million in poplulation over the last 40 years. People want to be in warm climates.

If my whole family wasn't here in the Midwest -- I'd have left a long time ago LOL
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think anyone here doesn't get what you just typed out - thanks for the info, though. We all get that. The question is why is it that way, and assuming we want to change it, how do you do that?

Some off the top of my head whys:

- Emergence of black players in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
- Demographic shifts from midwest and north to south.
- Pro sports more popular in the midwest and north?

The only thing I can think that makes sense to do is what they are doing:
- NIL
- Free agency
- Expand CFP
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Another contributing factor is -- People live and breathe football in alot of states. That isn't the case in the majority of the Midwest. Basketball is king in Michigan. Pennsylvania is huge for wrestling. Basketball is huge in Indiana. Woman's Volleyball is huge in Nebraska :hide:

In states like Texas -- they live and breathe football. In the south, they live and breathe football. In Florida, I think the kids see it as a way to get out of that bat shit crazy state.
 
so whats the preference? pods? select constant teams? every team every other year? or every 2 years(home and home)?
 
Wild Turkey said:
We played Penn State in college station and Georgia played at ND recently.

Your hypothesis proves false.
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So you are saying 2 games out of thousands proves anything? hahahahahahahahahahah

Maybe its that loss that reinforced the fear.
 
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