B1G/Sec talk scheduling partnership

[ralphiewvu]

Seems fair

 

[Deep Creek]

Seems fair

That'll go over like a turd in a punchbowl.

 

[ralphiewvu]

That'll go over like a turd in a punchbowl.

While it’s just a joke, I believe the SEC/B1G trying to take over March madness is a hill the NCAA would die on. They make a ton of money on that and I doubt they are giving that up without a fight. And considering there is still a few blue bloods not in the SEC/B1G, I think they’d have a leg to stand on to not lose it.

 

[Deep Creek]

While it’s just a joke, I believe the SEC/B1G trying to take over March madness is a hill the NCAA would die on. They make a ton of money on that and I doubt they are giving that up without a fight. And considering there is still a few blue bloods not in the SEC/B1G, I think they’d have a leg to stand on to not lose it.

March Madness is March Madness because it is totally inclusive IMHO. Maybe not equally inclusive, but inclusive none the less. I don't think the P2 want to mess that up. Maybe just "control" it more.

I'm hoping the new CFP follows some of the criteria for selection. I like the fact the selection committee in hoops awards credit for road wins against good teams and other tougher OOC scheduling. I think college football needs more OOC games to give the committee more data points.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Yeah, let's eliminate 100 schools from the competition. Losing 100 teams' fanbases will surely make the sport more popular. And, never mind the pageantry and traditions of college football. Just mix 'em up and fuck it. That has to work.

This isn’t about eliminating as much as it is about control and money.

I think you are right that they will settle on 3 each (which let’s face it that 4th team wouldn’t belong anyway) but they want control of the process and the bulk of the money.

This will be step one and then you will see the SEC, B1G, B12 and ACC form an “alliance” to control bball. That will piss everyone off but if that group split off and did their own tournament no one could compete.

 

[Wild Turkey]

While it’s just a joke, I believe the SEC/B1G trying to take over March madness is a hill the NCAA would die on. They make a ton of money on that and I doubt they are giving that up without a fight. And considering there is still a few blue bloods not in the SEC/B1G, I think they’d have a leg to stand on to not lose it.

That’s the thing the NCAA is a dead man walking so yeah that literally is the hill and they will die on it.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

This isn’t about eliminating as much as it is about control and money.

I think you are right that they will settle on 3 each (which let’s face it that 4th team wouldn’t belong anyway) but they want control of the process and the bulk of the money.

This will be step one and then you will see the SEC, B1G, B12 and ACC form an “alliance” to control bball. That will piss everyone off but if that group split off and did their own tournament no one could compete.

If you look back, the SEC/B1G will often have a 4th. It's just that it shouldn't be guaranteed.

Eliminating 100 schools is about control and money, but in a stupid way. People who suddenly don't have skin in the CFB game won't watch as often or as much. That's what people don't realize when they keep saying the P2 should split off, or that there should be a 32 team league. This is a case where you are more profitable with 132 teams than 32 teams because it's a better product. The NoIL beating ND is a big part of CFB.

 

[Codaxx]

Sources: Big Ten, SEC eye schedule partnership

SEC and Big Ten athletic directors will meet next week to discuss a possible partnership in football scheduling and preferences for automatic bids, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Not going to lie, I don’t love this.

Multiple automatic bids for the SEC and B1G. Damn

I like it. It is going mean more good games during the season.

 

[ralphiewvu]

That’s the thing the NCAA is a dead man walking so yeah that literally is the hill and they will die on it.

That’s not going to be some easy layup. They may end up dying but it won’t be without a fight, and I have a hard time believing every mid major with the ACC and B12 are going to give into the B1G/SEC demands when it comes to March.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I like it. It is going mean more good games during the season.

I’m more worried about the ask for multiple auto bids per conference.

 

[Deep Creek]

I like it. It is going mean more good games during the season.

I agree. The more "good" OOC games the better IMHO. It may cost schools like mine some good "paydays" but we need to carry our own water...at least to a certain extent.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

That’s not going to be some easy layup. They may end up dying but it won’t be without a fight, and I have a hard time believing every mid major with the ACC and B12 are going to give into the B1G/SEC demands when it comes to March.

I agree. That's why 4 AQs is the starting point. The B1G and SEC obviously have leverage, we saw that when they got the most money. What the P2 want is to see if the committee is going to acknowledge the difference in the conference schedules in the way they do their picks. If they simply follow the losses without considering the relative SOS, then they will play hardball and require at least 3 AQ.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I agree. The more "good" OOC games the better IMHO. It may cost schools like mine some good "paydays" but we need to carry our own water...at least to a certain extent.

You guys are looking good to go to the MWC?

 

[Deep Creek]

I agree. That's why 4 AQs is the starting point. The B1G and SEC obviously have leverage, we saw that when they got the most money. What the P2 want is to see if the committee is going to acknowledge the difference in the conference schedules in the way they do their picks. If they simply follow the losses without considering the relative SOS, then they will play hardball and require at least 3 AQ.

I don't understand the B1G/SEC concern with that issue. Hasn't the committee been doing exactly that since the first year of the CFP? Ohio State was awarded the 4th spot the first year instead of Baylor or TCU because of SOS. No?

 

[Deep Creek]

You guys are looking good to go to the MWC?

From what I understand, it is a done deal. I've been told the exit fee is only $2 million and UTEP just about already has that funded. Doing so in that short period of time is unusual for us. We don't have many BMDs.

We'll save quite a bit on travel. Other than NMSU, our closest games in C-USA are Sam Houston (750 miles) and La Tech (900 miles). Liberty and FIU are pushing 2,000 miles IIRC.

Not counting Hawaii, San Jose is the furthest at about 1,100. UNM, is less than 300, Air Force is 600, Wyoming and UNLV are about 750.

And let's face it. Colorado Springs and Honolulu are more scenic than Ruston and Huntsville.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I agree. That's why 4 AQs is the starting point. The B1G and SEC obviously have leverage, we saw that when they got the most money. What the P2 want is to see if the committee is going to acknowledge the difference in the conference schedules in the way they do their picks. If they simply follow the losses without considering the relative SOS, then they will play hardball and require at least 3 AQ.

I think the main end game is getting away from autobids imo. The SEC/B1G are always going to get the most teams in, no need to muddy the water giving others auto spots when it’s questionable some years those teams get in without the auto.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I don't understand the B1G/SEC concern with that issue. Hasn't the committee been doing exactly that since the first year of the CFP? Ohio State was awarded the 4th spot the first year instead of Baylor or TCU because of SOS. No?

From time to time, but for the most part, they looked at the number of losses. FSU last year is the really big exception/example. With 4, it was most often obvious who had the fewer losses. But with 12, it won't be. You must compare a 2 loss ACC/B12 team with a 2 or 3 loss P2 team. It's not likely that any team in the ACC or the B12 plays anywhere near the schedule that most P2 teams play.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I think the main end game is getting away from autobids imo. The SEC/B1G are always going to get the most teams in, no need to muddy the water giving others auto spots when it’s questionable some years those teams get in without the auto.

It all depends on the committee, and the articles I read indicate the P2 are very skeptical about the committee and how they are going to compare teams with similar losses.

 

[Deep Creek]

It all depends on the committee, and the articles I read indicate the P2 are very skeptical about the committee and how they are going to compare teams with similar losses.

Again, I'd understand the skepticism if that had been the committee's track record. But it hasn't. At least not that I've seen since 2014. Only year I recall that one might say the committee didn't get it right and looked at just losses was when they took Ohio State instead of the B1G champ Penn State. That year Ohio State didn't win the B1G or play in the CCG but finished 11-1. Penn State finished as B1G champions at 11-2 but got killed in the season by Michigan and lost to Pitt. Ohio State's only loss was to Penn State. So they took the 1 loss champ over the 2 loss conference champ. But that was the same conference. Ohio State stunk against Clem and Penn State lost the Rose Bowl..

While I'm with you and love going to 12 teams, here's a situation that doesn't sit right with me. In the year I referenced above, Penn State would receive a first round bye in this year's playoffs after two pretty bad losses. They should be in the playoffs, but a first round bye....

 

[Jon Deaux]

From what I understand, it is a done deal. I've been told the exit fee is only $2 million and UTEP just about already has that funded. Doing so in that short period of time is unusual for us. We don't have many BMDs.
We'll save quite a bit on travel. Other than NMSU, our closest games in C-USA are Sam Houston (750 miles) and La Tech (900 miles). Liberty and FIU are pushing 2,000 miles IIRC.
Not counting Hawaii, San Jose is the furthest at about 1,100. UNM, is less than 300, Air Force is 600, Wyoming and UNLV are about 750.
And let's face it. Colorado Springs and Honolulu are more scenic than Ruston and Huntsville.

You've never been to Ruston in springtime have you?