Ballot for HOF 2022

Mofo said:
Separated / divorced / disgraced is not married, Rex. For example, I share a bed with my wife and it’s not imaginary or a birdhouse.
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Nobody cares about your angst.
 
Rex Racer said:
Nobody cares about your angst.
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Not what that word means, Rex. A better usage would be, "Did Rex's wife leave him because he was gay, or was it angst over keeping him from being mega-gay?"
 
navamind said:
He showed plenty of power in Minnesota (18 home runs in just 89 games in 2001, slugged .500 and hit 20 home runs in 128 games in 2002). Ortiz was also a top 100 prospect entering his first full MLB season and crushed minor league pitching (.309/.381/.532, not to mention he hit .317/.372/.568 with 38 doubles and 31 home runs across A+/AA/AAA before getting promoted). He also battled various injuries as a Twin (torn ACL in 1999, wrist fracture in 2001, missed a month to remove bone chips in his knee in 2002). Moving from the Metrodome to Fenway also probably didn't hurt.

Not saying he didn't use PEDs, but I think there's a lot more to explain than "DURR HURR STEROIDS"
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Mark McGuire hit 49 homers as a rookie but yet
 
With Ortiz in, we should see Canseco get in soon......
 
dhoey said:
With Ortiz in, we should see Canseco get in soon......
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Ortiz should be in IMO. He was incredibly clutch in the postseason and his WS in 2013 was one of the best I’ve seen.

But to have him in and Not Bonds is a FARCE. Both 100% took PEDs. Only difference is Bonds was already a HOFer before he took his and Ortiz wasn’t.
 
Mistaken4193 said:
Ortiz should be in IMO. He was incredibly clutch in the postseason and his WS in 2013 was one of the best I’ve seen.

But to have him in and Not Bonds is a FARCE. Both 100% took PEDs. Only difference is Bonds was already a HOFer before he took his and Ortiz wasn’t.
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Meh....First ballot, hell no. No MVP's, one dimensional player, PED's, etc. He's more comparable to Canseco than bonds.

Bonds 100% should be in.

Baseball HOF lost me awhile ago. Griffey not a unanimous???!! GTFO.
 
dhoey said:
Meh....First ballot, hell no. No MVP's, one dimensional player, PED's, etc. He's more comparable to Canseco than bonds.

Bonds 100% should be in.

Baseball HOF lost me awhile ago. Griffey not a unanimous???!! GTFO.
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When a God damn closer is the first ever unanimous HOFer, it’s time to burn down the current system and start from scratch
 
the concept of "first ballot" is fucking stupid. You either vote for them or not.
 
Mofo said:
World of difference between the all-time hits leader and some swole-headed douches like Big Papi or Barry Bonds.
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Agreed. There is a huge difference between Rose and Bonds.

One broke a rule, one did not. One AGREED to being banned for life, one did not.

Nice to see we are all on the same page here.
 
Guy Incognito said:
No.

But steroids does take an already HOF talent in Bonds and elevates him to cheat code levels of power.

They unquestionably enhance performance. They won't make a guy who never would have played in the league a Hall of Famer, but they might elevate a borderline guy to the Hall.
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Big Papi.
 
calsnowskier said:
Agreed. There is a huge difference between Rose and Bonds.

One broke a rule, one did not. One AGREED to being banned for life, one did not.

Nice to see we are all on the same page here.
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I didn't realize peds were not against the rules.
 
Kburjr said:
What do you call a rules that has no penalty? Ludicrous. MLB had no defined penalties for roid use. The writers took it upon themselves to convict and sentence those players. Fuck them.
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There wasn’t a rule, though. There was a memo out of Vincents office (I think it was Vincent?? Was it Selig?) saying he wanted players to not use PEDs. It was never made a rule. It never went through the MLBPA. It was just a desire of the commissioner. Nothing more.

Until about ‘02 when it was actually made a rule with consequences.
 
calsnowskier said:
There wasn’t a rule, though. There was a memo out of Vincents office (I think it was Vincent?? Was it Selig?) saying he wanted players to not use PEDs. It was never made a rule. It never went through the MLBPA. It was just a desire of the commissioner. Nothing more.

Until about ‘02 when it was actually made a rule with consequences.
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Wasn’t really a rule with consequences until 2005. The earlier version had no teeth.
 
williewilliejuan said:
Wasn’t really a rule with consequences until 2005. The earlier version had no teeth.
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It was this, in memo form:

GIF by South Park
 
White Knight said:
I didn't realize peds were not against the rules.
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They were not. And even if they were, Bonds never failed a test. The leaked results were supposed to be anonymous and not for policing purposes. It was essentially for census purposes.
 
Baseball writers deserve all the hate they are getting. They actually believe their shit don’t stink
 
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