Poll Bears 2024 qb

[Wood20ks]

NFL fans with two eyes and an IQ over 80 recognize that Fields is not a legit NFL starting QB capable of leading any team to a playoff run. NFL GMs, however, prove time and time again that they are retarded cyclopes; so you never know.

There are a few scenarios we could conjure where a trade makes some sense. Like, for instance, if Denver wants to move Wilson, maybe they swing a trade for Fields. Chicago gets a proven short-term starting QB to allow their drafted QB to develop a little before he gets thrown into the fire right away again. Denver gets a young dynamic Taysom Hill type of guy for Sean Payton to tinker with.

JF could fetch something,there is that possible second,but not a first.....The Herd had Kiper on talking about the Bears draft and he said take Atlantas 1st,thats where that whole nonsense started....

Anyways,why would someone give up a 1st( let alone a 2nd) for Fields and then turn arojnd and start paying him upwards of 30 mill or more a year when hes been unproven....??

And I brought up a Taysom Hill situation before and a few Bear fans thought that was nonsense.......
If he ends up being a backup,thats the perfect position for him.....

 

[Wood20ks]

think the point is, there is no "can't miss" QB that the Bears would be stupid not to take in this draft. Caleb Williams has considerable bust potential, but the risk of Fields not improving is considerably lower than that. Also, it's not like Williams is going to learn much from 2nd team reps, behind a guy like Fields.

Bears take Williams,hes starting from day one.....

Plus he wont be in a Bryce Young situation where his best wr is an over-the-hill Adam Thielen.....a rb in Chubba Hubbard and a no name oline and te......not including no 1st round pick this year.

Bears exceed that team by a mile......

With an extra pick from the JF trade,2 1st rounders,DJ,Kmet,Caleb Williams-Maye-Daniels will succeed.....
Theres still freeagency yet too.....

Bears are in great shape.

 

[Mofo]

Bears take Williams,hes starting from day one.....

Plus he wont be in a Bryce Young situation where his best wr is an over-the-hill Adam Thielen.....a rb in Chubba Hubbard and a no name oline and te......not including no 1st round pick this year.

Bears exceed that team by a mile......

With an extra pick from the JF trade,2 1st rounders,DJ,Kmet,Caleb Williams-Maye-Daniels will succeed.....
Theres still freeagency yet too.....

Bears are in great shape.

This is just gambling your offensive prospects on a new crummy #1 QB. The offensive starts over, along with the new guy's learning curve and adjustment to the NFL.

Also, I know you're just being optimistic, but I don't think Fields has #1 pick potential at this point. He'll be 25 years old by the time he suits up for another team, and hovers around 60% completion. I think it's plausible some teams want him, even as a starter, but not to surrender such a good pick. At least he's still being paid nothing.

 

[Wood20ks]

This is just gambling your offensive prospects on a new crummy #1 QB. The offensive starts over, along with the new guy's learning curve and adjustment to the NFL.

Also, I know you're just being optimistic, but I don't think Fields has #1 pick potential at this point. He'll be 25 years old by the time he suits up for another team, and hovers around 60% completion. I think it's plausible some teams want him, even as a starter, but not to surrender such a good pick. At least he's still being paid nothing.

Im sure the team wont be any worse than what we got going now.....

Bears keep JF and he still wets the bed but keeps us around an 8 win team,that will leave us around the 10th - 12th pick in 2025.....too far down to trade up for next seasons not so great qb class........
And given what you have to give up to get the top pick is waaaaay too much...
My team has been thru this before by giving up 1st round picks for trash.....
I dont see us getting into this position in again for a top qb......time to get this so-called next best thing,whether its one of the other two or not.

 

[Across The Field]

It's not the NHL or MLB. You take a guy with your #1 pick, he's expected to shoulder the load and be good on his own terms. The so-called "elite" QBs (e.g. Rodgers, Mannings, Allen, Mahomes, Brees, etc.) don't demand 6 other elite players to magically make good on their potential. Yeah, it helps if your team has a competent running game and guys who can block and split d-backs. But I'm struggling to see why Justin Fields should be treated any differently than Kordell "Slash" Stewart, or that expectations should be any higher.

That said, I've said to keep Fields and hope he can do something in the next season or two. It would be wise to take a decent backup in the coming draft & free agency, rather than the two bums currently in the organization. Doesn't have to be someone expected to be the next Tom Brady, or certainly paid like it.

Rodgers came in and got to learn under Favre for several years and always had a good OL, a good defense, and consistent coaching. Peyton had HOFers all around him, and Eli won SBs with elite defenses and again, consistent coaching. Allen was a total disaster until they brought in Daboll and got him Diggs. Seriously, look up Allen's pre-Daboll numbers. Mahomes has a HOF HC, a HOF TE, had the best weapon in football for several years, plays behind a solid OL and has an elite defense this year. Brees, again, consistent coaching, good OL, solid weapons, generally pretty good defense.

There's no such thing as a QB that comes in and does it all themselves. You won't find a QB in history that has succeeded with constant coaching changes, a mediocre or bad OL, poor weapons, and a bad defense. For the majority of his career, this is all that Fields has had.

 

[Tharvot]

NFL fans with two eyes and an IQ over 80 recognize that Fields is not a legit NFL starting QB capable of leading any team to a playoff run. NFL GMs, however, prove time and time again that they are retarded cyclopes; so you never know.

There are a few scenarios we could conjure where a trade makes some sense. Like, for instance, if Denver wants to move Wilson, maybe they swing a trade for Fields. Chicago gets a proven short-term starting QB to allow their drafted QB to develop a little before he gets thrown into the fire right away again. Denver gets a young dynamic Taysom Hill type of guy for Sean Payton to tinker with.

He hasn't shown much, true. I'll forever be on the side of acquiring more draft capital though. IMO, that's the only way for a bad franchise to rebuild.

The Bears currently have 2 top 10 picks including #1 overall. They can trade out of #1 and get major capital for that while only dropping a place or 2. I'm not sold on him, but if the Bears do think Caleb Williams is their future, then they don't need to do anything. Maybe they can package their other early pick plus Fields to move up and try to grab another support player for him in the top 10.

 

[antone112]

Caleb Williams is a lateral move at best. He was (maybe) the 3rd be QB in his conference this year. PAC 12 sucks at defense, much like the big 10 when Fields played. Daniels or Maye would give me the least bit of optimism. Fields genuinely surprised me this season. Get Harrison with the 1st pick.

 

[Across The Field]

Caleb Williams is a lateral move at best. He was (maybe) the 3rd be QB in his conference this year. PAC 12 sucks at defense, much like the big 10 when Fields played. Daniels or Maye would give me the least bit of optimism. Fields genuinely surprised me this season. Get Harrison with the 1st pick.

That's just it. If there was a surefire stud QB in this draft I could understand them moving away from Fields and letting the new OC pick his guy, but Williams screams bust to me. Honestly I'd rather have Jayden Williams out of any of the QBs in this class, but even he's far from a sure thing. Trading back to 2 or 3 to ensure you get Harrison but also still get more capital makes way more sense.

 

[RP-29]

That's just it. If there was a surefire stud QB in this draft I could understand them moving away from Fields and letting the new OC pick his guy, but Williams screams bust to me. Honestly I'd rather have Jayden Williams out of any of the QBs in this class, but even he's far from a sure thing. Trading back to 2 or 3 to ensure you get Harrison but also still get more capital makes way more sense.

What if you trade back to 2 and recoup a high 2nd, then trade back to 3 and add another high 2nd. Then take Marvin Harrison Jr. at 3 - the guy who most consider the best surefire player in this draft. ...That's where my head would be at if I was the Bears GM. Giving up a 2nd to move up isn't something NE typically has done in the past, but this is a different NE regime now, so maybe...

 

[Across The Field]

What if you trade back to 2 and recoup a high 2nd, then trade back to 3 and add another high 2nd. Then take Marvin Harrison Jr. at 3 - the guy who most consider the best surefire player in this draft. ...That's where my head would be at if I was the Bears GM. Giving up a 2nd to move up isn't something NE typically has done in the past, but this is a different NE regime now, so maybe...

I would have to guess they'd get a lot more than a high 2nd in that scenario, even just moving from 1 to 2. Of course it depends on who Washington and New England view as "their guy" in this scenario, but if either badly want Williams I would guess it'll be a high 2nd, a 2025 first, and a starting-caliber player.

 

[RP-29]

I would have to guess they'd get a lot more than a high 2nd in that scenario, even just moving from 1 to 2. Of course it depends on who Washington and New England view as "their guy" in this scenario, but if either badly want Williams I would guess it'll be a high 2nd, a 2025 first, and a starting-caliber player.

Moving down 1 spot wouldn't yield the same type of haul the Bears got for moving down 9 last year.

 

[Across The Field]

Moving down 1 spot wouldn't yield the same type of haul the Bears got for moving down 9 last year.

That wouldn't be as much - one fewer 2nd rounder and not necessarily an elite player like DJ Moore. Then again, it also depends on how bad NE or WAS want the #1 pick to get their guy. Teams have made idiotic moves like this before.

 

[Wood20ks]

That wouldn't be as much - one fewer 2nd rounder and not necessarily an elite player like DJ Moore. Then again, it also depends on how bad NE or WAS want the #1 pick to get their guy. Teams have made idiotic moves like this before.

I dont think a trade will get like it did last year.......

Last year was a two pony race.....
Its atleast a 3 player race this season.....
It would take us to move way down to get that......not sure I wanna move that far down from one again......
If we trade down it has to result in MHJ or Odunze or Nabers and there maaaaybe one of those available at 9 if we draft Williams.

The way playoffs are going,its been an offensive slaught by these teams,we need to be there to compete for a title.

 

[Across The Field]

I dont think a trade will get like it did last year.......

Last year was a two pony race.....
Its atleast a 3 player race this season.....
It would take us to move way down to get that......not sure I wanna move that far down from one again......
If we trade down it has to result in MHJ or Odunze or Nabers and there maaaaybe one of those available at 9 if we draft Williams.

The way playoffs are going,its been an offensive slaught by these teams,we need to be there to compete for a title.

I think the biggest thing for Chicago is making sure Shane Waldron has what he needs to succeed, which with the Rams and Seahawks has been multiple high end WRs. I don't see Caleb + maybe Odunze/Nabers as being a better bet than Fields/MHJ. Fields is still young and has obvious chemistry with Moore/Kmet, which is extremely valuable. If they can get NE or Washington to toss in at least a high 2nd with their 1st and a nice piece for the defense (Hello Christian Barmore), they're a WC team next year barring horrible injuries.

Fields gets knocked for his completion %, but Stafford was under 60% in 4 of his first 5 seasons, and Geno was under 60% his only two seasons as a starter before Seattle. I have no doubt they can succeed with Fields in his offense.

 

[fordman84]

I think it was SI that just put out an article suggesting Dallas and CHI should trade, with Dallas getting Fields, 2024 1.9, 2025 1st, and I think 2025 2nd in return for Dak.

Would cost CHI a lot, but they would get an NFL QB and keep the #1 overall to either get another QB or Harrison to partner with him. Dallas saves money and gives Trey a chance.

I think both teams would hang up the phone on that, which is likely why SI is laying eveyrone off.

 

[TaikoTiger]

Mitch’s last 7 games in 2019. 4-3 record- 174/277/ 62.8%/1885 total yards/ 11 total TDs/8 turnovers. Justin’s last 7 games this year4-3 record-117/198- 59 % /1782 total yards/8 total TDs/6 turnovers

But us Bear fans wanted him out.....but kèep JF.......not sure why.

This stat bothers me:
26th in passing completion pct. this past season.....
Mac Jones and Ridder had a higher pct.

For a career hes at 60%.....his passing blows.

Just to add a little context
By the numbers above, that would be:
Mitch: 6.8 YPA
Fields: 9 YPA

IMO, Fields is a capable NFL Starter (currently #20-25 QB in the NFL) vs Mitch who is just a backup QB.

 

[TaikoTiger]

With that said. With Fields currently being a #20-#25 QB and his potential upside, I don't think it's crazy that the Bears could get a 2nd rd pick with Fields. The chances of getting a starting QB after the 1st is extremely low and Fields is a better option than any QB you will find outside the 1st round. A potential trade partner is the Atl Falcons with the #43 pick who would get an upgrade at QB without breaking the bank

 

[TaikoTiger]

At first glance. Jayden Daniels?!

Pocket poise is low-key elite: He keeps his feet set in the pocket better than Maye and Caleb.
Arm talent checks out
And of course he has wheels

 

[Wood20ks]

Just to add a little context
By the numbers above, that would be:
Mitch: 6.8 YPA
Fields: 9 YPA

IMO, Fields is a capable NFL Starter (currently #20-25 QB in the NFL) vs Mitch who is just a backup QB.

And I will not be mad if JF is still starter next season.........just mad if one of those three qbs(especially Williams) come out swinging better than Justin.....

 

[Wood20ks]

I think it was SI that just put out an article suggesting Dallas and CHI should trade, with Dallas getting Fields, 2024 1.9, 2025 1st, and I think 2025 2nd in return for Dak.

Would cost CHI a lot, but they would get an NFL QB and keep the #1 overall to either get another QB or Harrison to partner with him. Dallas saves money and gives Trey a chance.

I think both teams would hang up the phone on that, which is likely why SI is laying eveyrone off.

Bears trade and pay Dak 59 mill,Im burnng my Bears fandom......