Better Job: Arizona State or Nebraska?

[Tomhusker]

Because fans weren’t calling for Bo Pellini’s head for winning 9 games a year.

No. They were calling for his head for getting blown out when playing anyone with a pulse.

 

[fishinabarrel]

I don't want to get into a chest-thumping post, but you have to go past "it's all Bama." By every other measure, the SEC has been just as dominant versus other conferences in the last 20 years. Choose your measuring stick - recruiting, top 10 finishes, top 25 finishes, NFL draft, bowl games, conference v. conference, and even things like demographic changes of people from the north to the south, or California going from football playing demo graphics to non-football playing demographics. To me, it still looks bad, and I say that as someone who, as I said just above, wants parity. As for "it's all Bama" keep in mind part of that is because the SEC schools have to go through Bama ... if they weren't there, it's highly likely it could have been or would have been other SEC programs winning many of those natties. I mean 3 of the last 10 years NC games had 2 SEC teams - going back to LSU v. Bama.

I agree and hope that NIL, transfer portal and CFP expansion will drive parity. I am fearful that the big TV deals will not. Maybe SEC and B1G, but I am concerned about the other conferences.

I didn't say the SEC still wouldn't have been the dominant conference of the era, I just said it wouldn't look nearly as bad if Bama were to only have won, say 1 or 2 national championships like the other schools instead of 5

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I didn't say the SEC still wouldn't have been the dominant conference of the era, I just said it wouldn't look nearly as bad if Bama were to only have won, say 1 or 2 national championships like the other schools instead of 5

In the 3 that they didn't win, UGA would have won 2 - in 2012 and 2017. What about the other 1?

 

[fishinabarrel]

In the 3 that they didn't win, UGA would have won 2 - in 2012 and 2017. What about the other 1?

I'm guessing you meant to type SEC not UGA in the first sentence. Clemson beat Bama in the other one, but you are assuming LSU and Georgia automatically win that night if faced with a different opponent. Oklahoma State had a dang good team in 2011-12 and Georgia played a very close game to Oklahoma so it's not unbelievable to think another team could have won if we magically erase Bama from the picture

 

[fishinabarrel]

In the 3 that they didn't win, UGA would have won 2 - in 2012 and 2017. What about the other 1?

Misunderstood the second part of your question here. Guess we can make some Texas fans happy and say Colt doesn't get hurt in 2010 and they pull it off

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

No. They were calling for his head for getting blown out when playing anyone with a pulse.

In just the last 3 years Pelini was at Nebraska, he beat #9 Michigan State, #12 Penn State, #20 Michigan, #22 Georgia.

So when he lost games -- they weren't close enough?

 

[trojanfan12]

No. They were calling for his head for getting blown out when playing anyone with a pulse.

Seems that Pelini's time at Nebraska was similar to Clay Helton's at USC.

He won plenty of games, had some double digit win seasons, won a PAC title and a Rose Bowl...but every time they played the type of team they measure themselves against, they were overmatched.

There's no shame in losing to, for example, Alabama...unless you lose 52-6.

 

[Tomhusker]

In just the last 3 years Pelini was at Nebraska, he beat #9 Michigan State, #12 Penn State, #20 Michigan, #22 Georgia.

So when he lost games -- they weren't close enough?

Close enough? Hell they were embarrassing. Many were on national TV. It was plain to anyone with even the slightest football knowledge, that Pelini had no ability to make adjustments in the game.
I was a firm supporter of Bo Pelini, but his penchant for mediocrity had no place in college football.

 

[Tomhusker]

Seems that Pelini's time at Nebraska was similar to Clay Helton's at USC.

He won plenty of games, had some double digit win seasons, won a PAC title and a Rose Bowl...but every time they played the type of team they measure themselves against, they were overmatched.

There's no shame in losing to, for example, Alabama...unless you lose 52-6.

Or 70-31 to a 5 loss Wisconsin team?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Seems that Pelini's time at Nebraska was similar to Clay Helton's at USC.

He won plenty of games, had some double digit win seasons, won a PAC title and a Rose Bowl...but every time they played the type of team they measure themselves against, they were overmatched.

There's no shame in losing to, for example, Alabama...unless you lose 52-6.

There is an enormous difference in recruiting between USC and Nebraska. Take Lincoln Riley's last second put together recruiting class.

Domani Jackson would be the highest rated recruit in the last 22 years if he had signed with Nebraska, instead of USC.

Domani Jackson, Raleek Brown, Zion Branch and CJ Williams would all rank in the top 10 recruits signed by Nebraska since 2000.

USC has access to recruits that Nebraska simply does not. So expecting excellence from USC is understandable, as they can bring in top 5 recruiting classes every year with the talent they have around them.

 

[trojanfan12]

There is an enormous difference in recruiting between USC and Nebraska. Take Lincoln Riley's last second put together recruiting class.

Domani Jackson would be the highest rated recruit in the last 22 years if he had signed with Nebraska, instead of USC.

Domani Jackson, Raleek Brown, Zion Branch and CJ Williams would all rank in the top 10 recruits signed by Nebraska since 2000.

USC has access to recruits that Nebraska simply does not. So expecting excellence from USC is understandable, as they can bring in top 5 recruiting classes every year with the talent they have around them.

And those players mainly chose USC because of Lincoln Riley. Also, some of that influx of new players are players who committed to him at Oklahoma then flipped when he went to USC.

If Nebraska can hire a Lincoln Riley level coach or close to it. They can get those kinds of recruits as well.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I'm guessing you meant to type SEC not UGA in the first sentence. Clemson beat Bama in the other one, but you are assuming LSU and Georgia automatically win that night if faced with a different opponent. Oklahoma State had a dang good team in 2011-12 and Georgia played a very close game to Oklahoma so it's not unbelievable to think another team could have won if we magically erase Bama from the picture

In 2012, Bama beat us in the last minute in one of the best SECCG's ever. Under your statement that if Bama didn't do Bama, it's highly likely UGA is the SECC that year and we would have beaten the brakes off Notre Dame. They were outclassed badly in that game, it was never close. In 2017 we literally lost to Bama in the NC in OT, so I am going to assume that we win that one.

Sure, we don't know, but if we are going to play the "SEC is not so good because of Bama," you need to extend that out. In 3 they won, they played other SEC teams. Then there was the ND game.

I really didn't want this to go to a chest puffing thing, because I truly believe parity is better for CFB and let's hope in 10 years we have that.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Close enough? Hell they were embarrassing. Many were on national TV. It was plain to anyone with even the slightest football knowledge, that Pelini had no ability to make adjustments in the game.
I was a firm supporter of Bo Pelini, but his penchant for mediocrity had no place in college football.

Nebraska won 72% of the games he coached. Won 4 bowl games. Not sure of the total number of ranked teams he beat, but he beat 4 ranked teams in the last 3 years he was there.

Blowout losses suck, but if you are recruiting like Nebraska does -- it is going to happen, especially if you have a recruiting class where you miss on the select few high ranked recruits you signed, which is going to happen (it happens to everyone).

What makes the elite teams elite -- they sign so many high ranked recruits -- they can have 2, 3, 4, 5 recruits in a class flop and still have a dominant recruiting class. Nebraska doesn't recruit like that.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

And those players mainly chose USC because of Lincoln Riley. Also, some of that influx of new players are players who committed to him at Oklahoma then flipped when he went to USC.

If Nebraska can hire a Lincoln Riley level coach or close to it. They can get those kinds of recruits as well.

They signed with Oklahoma because USC was a train wreck. It is the same reason for about a decade, Ohio State has raided the state of Texas and Florida. The same reason Bryce Young committed to USC and flipped to Alabama.

They flipped to USC because the coach was coming to USC. The coach came to USC because the school is located in California and it is LIGHT YEARS EASIER to sign recruits in your own backyard that grew up rooting, watching and cheering on the program, than it is to convince them to travel 100's to 1000's of miles to attend a school.

 

[Red_Alert]

Bo Pelini is just 54 years old.

If he's such a great head coach, where is he coaching now?

Surly one of these talent rich SEC schools who've replaced head coaches in the last 8 years would have nabbed him up, no?

Georgia
Tennessee (2 coaches)
Vanderbilt
Missouri (2 coaches)
Florida (3 coaches)
South Carolina (2 coaches)
Arkansas (2 coaches)
LSU (2 coaches)
Ole Miss (2 coaches)
Auburn
Texas A&M
Mississippi St (2 coaches)


Pelini actually beat Georgia in 2013, but they passed on him when looking?

 

[trojanfan12]

They signed with Oklahoma because USC was a train wreck. It is the same reason for about a decade, Ohio State has raided the state of Texas and Florida. The same reason Bryce Young committed to USC and flipped to Alabama.

They flipped to USC because the coach was coming to USC. The coach came to USC because the school is located in California and it is LIGHT YEARS EASIER to sign recruits in your own backyard that grew up rooting, watching and cheering on the program, than it is to convince them to travel 100's to 1000's of miles to attend a school.

Exactly, and those types of players currently aren't going to Nebraska for the same reason they weren't choosing USC. Get a Lincoln Riley level coach and Nebraska will start getting those kinds of recruits...especially if they establish a good NIL collective.

While USC does have an advantage because they are in the middle of a great recruiting ground, because of scholly limits, they can't sign everyone and they don't fit everyone's personality. I remember during the Pete Carroll era there were a couple of recruits (one went to tOSU) because he didn't think the atmosphere was "serious enough".

I know that for some reason you are weirdly attached to this "Nebraska will never be Nebraska again" narrative...but you're wrong.

 

[Red_Alert]

Georgia's won 1 natty in the last 41 years.

Reading Georgia fans and WhoPhoneDis, one would think it was Georgia who's won 6 natties since 2009.

 

[Red_Alert]

Exactly, and those types of players currently aren't going to Nebraska for the same reason they weren't choosing USC. Get a Lincoln Riley level coach and Nebraska will start getting those kinds of recruits...especially if they establish a good NIL collective.

While USC does have an advantage because they are in the middle of a great recruiting ground, because of scholly limits, they can't sign everyone and they don't fit everyone's personality. I remember during the Pete Carroll era there were a couple of recruits (one went to tOSU) because he didn't think the atmosphere was "serious enough".

I know that for some reason you are weirdly attached to this "Nebraska will never be Nebraska again" narrative...but you're wrong.

You've gotta get past the level of simpleton that WhoPhoneDis (et al) exhibit here on a daily basis.

That Lincoln Riley got a $2.5 million/yr pay raise to go to USC played a huge role.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Georgia's won 1 natty in the last 41 years.

Reading Georgia fans and WhoPhoneDis, one would think it was Georgia who's won 6 natties since 2009.

I am going to bookmark this for 41 years and 1 day from 1997. It's already been 25 years for you guys, 41 is just around the corner.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Exactly, and those types of players currently aren't going to Nebraska for the same reason they weren't choosing USC. Get a Lincoln Riley level coach and Nebraska will start getting those kinds of recruits...especially if they establish a good NIL collective.

Since 2000, Nebraska has signed TWO five star recruits. That isn't 2 a year. That is 2 in 22 years. The reason a coach like Lincoln Riley wouldn't go to Nebraska -- they don't have the five star talent in state like California does. That's why he made the change.

People keep saying money is why he left, but he is arguably making less in California than he was in Oklahoma, because California has astronomical taxes. He will get charged 10% more on just his state income tax. So if he is making 10 million -- that is a million less he will get.

Cost of living in California is the 3rd highest in the entire US. Oklahoma is the 3rd lowest.

Home prices in California are the 3rd highest in the US behind only Hawaii and NY. Oklahoma is the 4th lowest.

You put the house he bought in California for $17 million -- he would pay a fraction of that if it were located in Oklahoma. He left because being located in the state of California makes his life 1000% easier recruiting. Same reason Kelly left the state of Indiana to go to LSU.