Which one(s) of the remaining teams are "cherries"?
Poll Big 12 & PAC 12 Meeting Today To Discuss Merger
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The PAC has an issue where there is literally no one left to add in their current footprint and the need games in a different time zone. The best ones that solve that and bring the most eyeballs with them would be the cherries.
I agree the PAC has an issue. So does the ACC. The only cherry left is Notre Dame.
Baylor - Not a cherry
Iowa State - Not a cherry
Kansas - Not a cherry
Kansas State - Not a cherry
Oklahoma State - Not a cherry
TCU - Not a cherry
Texas Tech - Not a cherry
West Virginia - Not a cherry
Best and briefest description of the Big 12's remaining schools.
"Industry analysts agree there are few, if any, available schools that bring value to the Big 12. Conversely, there are few Big 12 schools on their own that would bring value to other power conferences."
"Industry analysts agree there are few, if any, available schools that bring value to the Big 12. Conversely, there are few Big 12 schools on their own that would bring value to other power conferences."
The AAC is the only answer for some of these teams.
Substantial loss of income for whoever goes.
Substantial increase in competition for the Conference, and prestige.
They can't all go, I don't think.
Substantial loss of income for whoever goes.
Substantial increase in competition for the Conference, and prestige.
They can't all go, I don't think.
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false. the Mountain West should also be just as viable an option for some, not all
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Maybe not individually, but collectively they are tasty as cherry pie!
ThePac 20 would rock!
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says a fan of one of the so called cherries.
all of the teams left over in the Big 12 would strengthen the middle. a bunch of teams that would be competing for 3rd in the division 9 out of 10 years but capable of more once in a while.
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And strength in the middle is a very good thing.
The Pac would rule from the Pacific Ocean to the Mississippi River!
They are. Problem is individually or collectively they don't command the same level of media revenue that is necessary to remain close to the other P5s. And there isn't a cherry available for them to pick that would attract the revenue that OU and Texas does.
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Well, they can stand pat and continue to irrelevant out there all by themselves after dark OR add this solid group with a big swathe of land in the Central Time Zone in 4 states with markets in Texas, Oklahoma City, Kansas City and Des Moines, which may be smaller than their home coastal markets but with a much more fanatical college football fan base.
Also, 7 of the 8 schools have played in and 5 of the 8 have WON either a BCS Bowl or a NY6 Bowl since the 2007 season. Baylor is (0-3), Kansas State is (0-1) and Texas Tech is the only one who has not been to one during this time period. I think a 20 team Pac from the Pacific to the Mississippi would command quite an audience. However, if they don't want to eat cherry pie, that's their business!
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That's probably good for the 8 teams if 2 pretty good conferences wanted some teams.
1 Conference takes some, another take the rest.
It's their only chance I think.
But what IF, let's say, USC, Oregon and maybe Washington were to "bolt" rather than be with such a conference, where would that leave them then? That's a possibility that could very well happen in the near future.
Pac12 isn't desperate, at least not right now anyway, but what's going to be left of the Big12 is VERY desperate right now.
Pac12 is better off right now, for the time being at least. They don't need to to eat this "cherry pie" right now.
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You just described the PAC 12 also.
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Yes really @duckboy33
What freaking conference is the PAC challenging at the top that the orphan 8 isn’t?
What freaking conference is the PAC challenging at the top that the orphan 8 isn’t?
Why would they want to join up with the PAC when the three largest brands just left?But what IF, let's say, USC, Oregon and maybe Washington were to "bolt" rather than be with such a conference, where would that leave them then? That's a possibility that could very well happen in the near future.
Pac12 isn't desperate, at least not right now anyway, but what's going to be left of the Big12 is VERY desperate right now.
Pac12 is better off right now, for the time being at least. They don't need to to eat this "cherry pie" right now.
My point is the annual revenue for the remaining eight Big 12 schools is going down significantly, regardless of what happens...with one possible exception. The Big 12 has been 3rd in the payouts annually. Ahead of the ACC and PAC 12 but WAAAAYYYYY behind the B1G and the SEC.
Here is their list of bad options IMO.
1. Stay put with 8 and lose 1/2 what they have been getting according to analysts.
2. Join the PAC either dividing the old PAC revenue plus the new revenue by 20 and lowering both....or coming in for a lesser portion.
3. Bring in 2-4 G5 schools that don't bring enough value up to the level pre OU/Texas departure and become a G5.
4. Didsperse and joint one/two G5 conferences.
The only way a school won't have a drop in revenue is if the B1G takes one. (West Virginia might come close to the same revenue if the ACC took them.)