CFP Rankings Nov. 15

Muschamp is the typical P5 coordinator that failed miserably when promoted to head coach. That pile of carcasses is deep.

As a DC or Analyst he's a gem though.
 
You're a narrow minded moron who takes zero time to evaluate all aspects of the game.
Does it have to be spelled out for you EVERY TIME we have this conversation? Yes, coaching and coordinators matter, but IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RECRUITING, it doesn't matter who your coach is or who your coordinators are. The outlier is.................if you have an all-american QB, like DeShaun Watson, like Trevor Lawrence, like Joe Burrow, like Cam Newton, like Jameis Winston.

Lawrence, Burrow, Newton and Winston were all #1 picks in the NFL and Watson is arguably, the best QB of the 5, if he stays away from masseuses.

So yes -- if you have a #1 NFL draft pick at QB -- you can get away with top 10, top 15 classes.
 
Clemson's issues run a lot deeper than just QB. There is a obvious drop off there of course from what they have had. But the WRs just aren't good either, the OL is shaky and the defense is not on the elite level anymore, it's still decent but not elite. Theyve fallen off at about every position.
There are more issues at Clemson, but the main issue is their QB play. Last year -- he had 9 tds and 10 ints on the year. He has taken care of the ball better this year, but he has only had one big game and it is tough to take that too serious, as it was against WF, who gives up a million yards to everyone. Other than WF, he hasn't thrown for more than 230 yards in a game this year.
 
Does it have to be spelled out for you EVERY TIME we have this conversation? Yes, coaching and coordinators matter, but IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RECRUITING, it doesn't matter who your coach is or who your coordinators are. The outlier is.................if you have an all-american QB, like DeShaun Watson, like Trevor Lawrence, like Joe Burrow, like Cam Newton, like Jameis Winston.

Lawrence, Burrow, Newton and Winston were all #1 picks in the NFL and Watson is arguably, the best QB of the 5, if he stays away from masseuses.

So yes -- if you have a #1 NFL draft pick at QB -- you can get away with top 10, top 15 classes.

Who made them All American's and #1 picks? Certainly not coaches getting people lined up right, or their O and D supporting cast.

Manning was the #1 pick. How many Nattys did he have?

Again, you're a narrow minded moron.
 
There are more issues at Clemson, but the main issue is their QB play. Last year -- he had 9 tds and 10 ints on the year. He has taken care of the ball better this year, but he has only had one big game and it is tough to take that too serious, as it was against WF, who gives up a million yards to everyone. Other than WF, he hasn't thrown for more than 230 yards in a game this year.

Their WRs are really not good, it's not just the QB making them look bad. The mediocre oline play doesn't help the QBs case either.

DJ U is not a very good QB ill give you that, but the surrounding cast really isnt helping either.
 
Show the narrow minded moron recruiting numbers for Clemson's Nattys compared to Alabama's and he's still slobbering QB cock.

Show the narrow minded moron game stats for Clemson getting Bama way off their season offensive averages and he's still sucking Clemson QB cock.

LOL
 
Who made them All American's and #1 picks? Certainly not coaches getting people lined up right, or their O and D supporting cast.

Manning was the #1 pick. How many Nattys did he have?

Again, you're a narrow minded moron.
Wow -- you are calling someone narrow minded, while now insinuating that all it takes is to have the #1 NFL to win a natty, when NO ONE SAID THAT.

How about this -- go thru the last 5 years? the last 10 years? the last 15 years? Show me the team who won without elite recruiting or the outlier of having a #1 NFL draft pick at QB? Feel free to keep going until you find one and tell us who it was. Then maybe you will grasp what is going on in CFB.

It isn't the 90's anymore. Recruits are closer to their ceiling than ever before, because of all the things they now do in HS. Know what they didn't have 25 years ago? National football camps. Camps like the Elite 11. National 7 on 7 tournies. Strength and conditioning coaches in high school. Speed and Agility companies. Specialized individual coaching for positions. The list goes on and on.

We have this same conversation every few months and you HAVE to be a blue hair who live'd thru Nebraska being great in the 70's, 80's, 90's, because you still think you can a team full of recruit 2 and 3 star players and develop them to beat a team fill with 4 and 5 star recruits. It isn't like that anymore. You hope to find 1 or 2 guys like that to complement the big time recruits.
 
Plenty of meh QBs have won national titles.
Plenty of them have, but majority of them were on Alabama, when they were all 5 star OL and 5 star RB's with a defense filled with 5 star recruits.

Before going to the spread -- Bama could plug @Red_Alert in at QB and compete for a title, because they were simply game managers and Bama was just going to bully whoever they played.
 
No doubt the Big 12 was stupid, but that wasn't the point. My point was change the name in that 3 slot from TCU to Texas or Oklahoma and see if they do the same thing regardless of what tOSU did to WIsconsin.
You might be right, but had the Big 12 given them a chance at a CCG, it wouldn't have mattered either way.
 
Peyton Manning #1 draft pick in 1998.
No doubt he was worthy of that pick.

Tennessee records and AP Final

1994: 8-4 (22nd)
1995: 11-1 (3rd) Got housed (62-37) by #2 Florida
1996: 10-2 (9th)
1997: 11-2 (7th)

Average Final Ranking: 10th

"iT's All aBoUt TeH #1 dRaFt PiCk dOh" - WhoPhoneDis
 
I think Ohio State is probably the best equipped to maybe beat UGA.

I think they are going to roll over LSU in the SEC title game, but I've been wrong about LSU a lot this year.

Michigan pretty much plays right into UGAs hands (as we saw last year)

TCU and USC are both in the category where their offenses seem likely to hit the wall if they play a elite team like UGA and their defenses aren't good enough to make up for it.
I’m not sure I believe that at this moment. Lack of running game for Ohio St and an average at best running stopping team against a physical UGA team. Get pressure on Stroud and that’s how you beat them. That being said I’m not sure one team can beat UGA as of right now.
 
Wow -- you are calling someone narrow minded, while now insinuating that all it takes is to have the #1 NFL to win a natty, when NO ONE SAID THAT.

How about this -- go thru the last 5 years? the last 10 years? the last 15 years? Show me the team who won without elite recruiting or the outlier of having a #1 NFL draft pick at QB? Feel free to keep going until you find one and tell us who it was. Then maybe you will grasp what is going on in CFB.

It isn't the 90's anymore. Recruits are closer to their ceiling than ever before, because of all the things they now do in HS. Know what they didn't have 25 years ago? National football camps. Camps like the Elite 11. National 7 on 7 tournies. Strength and conditioning coaches in high school. Speed and Agility companies. Specialized individual coaching for positions. The list goes on and on.

We have this same conversation every few months and you HAVE to be a blue hair who live'd thru Nebraska being great in the 70's, 80's, 90's, because you still think you can a team full of recruit 2 and 3 star players and develop them to beat a team fill with 4 and 5 star recruits. It isn't like that anymore. You hope to find 1 or 2 guys like that to complement the big time recruits.

h3iapp.gif


3374f0f6-73d5-464a-aa13-36cd4a3d5779_text.gif


rainman.gif
 
I think Ohio State is probably the best equipped to maybe beat UGA.

I think they are going to roll over LSU in the SEC title game, but I've been wrong about LSU a lot this year.

Michigan pretty much plays right into UGAs hands (as we saw last year)

TCU and USC are both in the category where their offenses seem likely to hit the wall if they play a elite team like UGA and their defenses aren't good enough to make up for it.
I'd definitely say we're most equipped to take down UGA this year. We're the most complete team outside of UGA from an offense/defense/ST standpoint. Unlike UT, we have a defense that could actually slow down UGA, and when they're healthy a group of RBs that can cause damage if UGA tighten up on the passing game. I like UGA a lot but I don't see them as this unbeatable machine.
 
3, 2, 1,

"sOmEtHiNg, sOmEtHiNg, NeBrAsKa" - WhoPhoneDis

We have this same conversation every few months and you HAVE to be a blue hair who live'd thru Nebraska being great in the 70's, 80's, 90's, because you still think you can a team full of recruit 2 and 3 star players and develop them to beat a team fill with 4 and 5 star recruits. It isn't like that anymore. You hope to find 1 or 2 guys like that to complement the big time recruits.

giphy.webp
 
I’m not sure I believe that at this moment. Lack of running game for Ohio St and an average at best running stopping team against a physical UGA team. Get pressure on Stroud and that’s how you beat them. That being said I’m not sure one team can beat UGA as of right now.

Georgia is the best team but they are beatable.

For example, when Tennessee played them, they had a threw overthrows that cost them 14-21 points. If we hit on all cylinders and there defense doesn't play well, Tennessee could beat them.

Ohio State could beat them, etc.

Still, they do seem like they are on a mission and I, like everyone, have them as the most likely prospect to win it all.
 
I think people on here often underrate or don't discuss the mental aspect of the game.

Part of the reason Tennessee is turning the corner is confidence.

A lot of games and teams come down to plays here and there, how a punt bounces, whether a pass connects or not, whether a fumble goes in your favor or not, etc. It takes luck sometimes to win it all. Tennessee in 1998 for all purposes should have lost to Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas but survived all three games with lucky plays.

I think confidence impacts that luck as some teams find ways to win (the term is clutch) while others find ways to lose. Tennessee has been a program that has found ways to lose in the past, notably with Butch Jones and all the chokes against teams (look at the chokes in 2015 against Oklahoma, Florida, Arkansas, and Alabama. A play goes difference in each game and that Tennessee team is unbeaten).

This is something I am not sure about with Tennessee and may have reared its head against Georgia. That confidence. This is why experts love teams like Alabama, because they have been clutch in the past.

@NewPhoneWhoDis talks about recruiting talent but I think the confidence plays a bigger part. For many years, teams have doubted whether they can even beat Alabama or not. Alabama is starting to show cracks and you can see the result each year, every game is a war for them. Georgia built up that confidence and heir of being a "power" and turned the corner. In 2016-2019, it seemed like Georgia found ways to lose big games. In many ways, Georgia was probably the best team in 2017 and should have won that title.
 
Peyton Manning #1 draft pick in 1998.
No doubt he was worthy of that pick.

Tennessee records and AP Final

1994: 8-4 (22nd)
1995: 11-1 (3rd) Got housed (62-37) by #2 Florida
1996: 10-2 (9th)
1997: 11-2 (7th)

Average Final Ranking: 10th

"iT's All aBoUt TeH #1 dRaFt PiCk dOh" - WhoPhoneDis
I am SHOCKED that a Nebraska fan is still talking about the 90's.

Baby Boomers GIF by MOODMAN
 
I think people on here often underrate or don't discuss the mental aspect of the game.

Part of the reason Tennessee is turning the corner is confidence.

A lot of games and teams come down to plays here and there, how a punt bounces, whether a pass connects or not, whether a fumble goes in your favor or not, etc. It takes luck sometimes to win it all. Tennessee in 1998 for all purposes should have lost to Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas but survived all three games with lucky plays.

I think confidence impacts that luck as some teams find ways to win (the term is clutch) while others find ways to lose. Tennessee has been a program that has found ways to lose in the past, notably with Butch Jones and all the chokes against teams (look at the chokes in 2015 against Oklahoma, Florida, Arkansas, and Alabama. A play goes difference in each game and that Tennessee team is unbeaten).

This is something I am not sure about with Tennessee and may have reared its head against Georgia. That confidence. This is why experts love teams like Alabama, because they have been clutch in the past.

@NewPhoneWhoDis talks about recruiting talent but I think the confidence plays a bigger part. For many years, teams have doubted whether they can even beat Alabama or not. Alabama is starting to show cracks and you can see the result each year, every game is a war for them. Georgia built up that confidence and heir of being a "power" and turned the corner. In 2016-2019, it seemed like Georgia found ways to lose big games. In many ways, Georgia was probably the best team in 2017 and should have won that title.

Yeah, Heupel's done a good job turning Tennessee around.

Tennessee Recruiting Rankings

2018: 21st
2019: 13th
2020: 11th
2021: 22nd
2022: 17th
Average: 17th

Say they and Georgia win out and meet in the CFP on a neutral field? A rematch favors the team that lost the first time over 50% of the time.
See Georgia/Bama 2022, etc.

Going forward who knows if this Tennessee season isn't just a flash in the pan, but Huepel's put the pieces together and gotten guys lined up right.

That leads to a lot of player confidence every time they take the field.
 
Back
Top